Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

[jbignes5]

Are you of the Electric Universe theory?
Because if you are not then you won't understand a bit of this.

Point out the rubbish then and lets debate this...

It is not rubbish that the atmosphere has a voltage gradient to it the higher you go away from the ground.
It is not rubbish that plasma is condensed across a spark gap to form the lines we see by the potential difference between the electrodes.
It is not rubbish that Mr. Thornhill has found huge plasma streams feeding stars. ie intergalactic thunderbolts.
It is not rubbish that when a fluid compresses into a smaller gauge tube that it gains in force or speed.
It is not rubbish that energy flows across a capacitor through electric induction.
It is not rubbish to think that the sun's atmosphere would not act like our own planets atmosphere or visa versa.
It is not rubbish to see the z-pinch in a huge stream of plasma that Mr. Thornhill has shown. That pinch being a star like ours electrically and outputting huge energies in the process. You could think of it like a laser focusing the huge plasma stream into an apex with matter resisting the flow and causing emissions of all kinds. But matter is the reason for the channeling of the plasma flows and causing the pinch due to matter following one law. It can never touch. Matter is not solid. And there is plenty of room for plasma to flow between the matter around the suns apex. Most of the plasma sprays out but some gets converted by the matter that is pinching it. Plasma in my honest opinion is a highly mobile super conductor of the electric potential. No matter how thin it is it will always conduct. But there is a compression action here that changes the speed of the plasma flowing. in that speed change it ramps up it's potential to compensate due to transformation laws we currently hold.

If the Sun is being fed by the huge plasma stream then it makes sense that a good amount would spray out in a 360 degree fashion (minus the main entrance plasma flow and main exit plasma flow) causing the solar wind and pushing a small amount of the electrode of the sun to flow out with that wind. All of these things are very provable in a lab and have been proven. 100%

[jbignes5]

This is a rough diagram of the solar model plasma flows with planets being a high density conductor across the solar plane through each planet which is a bound condensed plasma conductor. Bound in the sense that matter traps plasma between it's atoms and pinches the flows through it.

[jbignes5]

This should be a close up view of a planet circuit. It's not complete yet as the planets seem to be connected via the flows to the Sun as well.

It seems to me that the exits to the plasma streams might be at the equator. so negative or south pole would exit via the equator and the north pole or positive would exit at the same equator where the solar plane is. This is why I wanted to see if Mr. Thornhill and his group could help me.

Keep in mind the solar plane is a gigantic double layer and maybe many many layers looking at Jupiter as the evidence to the flows of the plasma. All the flows going against each other...

Earth also has the flows as well...
Let me find a good link to a picture..

[Bengt Nyman]

Go back to school jbignes5. Do not expect anything from anybody else. The world does not work that way anymore.

[jbignes5]

ok found it here



There are 3 active flows here 2 are inactive one at 60,0,60 with the inter flows a combo of two flows.

Jupiter has 7.

[upriver]

This should be a close up view of a planet circuit. It's not complete yet as the planets seem to be connected via the flows to the Sun as well.

It seems to me that the exits to the plasma streams might be at the equator. so negative or south pole would exit via the equator and the north pole or positive would exit at the same equator where the solar plane is. This is why I wanted to see if Mr. Thornhill and his group could help me.

Keep in mind the solar plane is a gigantic double layer and maybe many many layers looking at Jupiter as the evidence to the flows of the plasma. All the flows going against each other...

Earth also has the flows as well...
Let me find a good link to a picture..

Heres some stuff to read.

Magnetic flux transfer event
https://www.google.com/search?num=30&es ... 13&bih=763

Thermospheric Processes
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... cesses.jpg

Pedersen Currents
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ystems.png

Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation? 2.0
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... =3&t=16299

[jbignes5]

Now thats what I am talking about.

My take on this is that the medium of plasma is much like a fluid. With two polarities. Our solar bubble is half filled with one polarity and half filled with the other. The planets literally float between the two surfaces conducting across the double layer through our mass and exit out like a fountain returning back to the double layer from both polarities. This is what causes the magnetic shield of our planet.
Although I am versed in electronics and computers as a profession, I didn't have much luck with finding the information about what we are looking at from another point of view, but an Electrical view. I had my own ideas but had a very hard time finding the subject matter I was searching for.

I have to say your post is most informative. Thank you! I appreciate the time you took to answer me. This kind of response is exactly what I expected from the EU group. Again thank you.

My investigations are for the purpose of energy generation and if this is correct then we could harness the flow going into and through our planet.

[willendure]

My take on this is that the medium of plasma is much like a fluid. With two polarities. Our solar bubble is half filled with one polarity and half filled with the other.

These two mutually attracting halves remain perfectly separated instead of pulling into each other and merging? Imagine the size of the force of attraction between these two great lakes of oppositely charged plasma. As I say, I think you just make this nonsense up.

[jbignes5]

More likely is that you have no idea about plasma and double layers... It's called charge separation.. Might want to google it some time.

Plus if you bothered to read my post past the first line you would have read that the planets bridge the double layers acting like resistive conductors.

As well I think after they conduct through the planet they connect to the opposite polarity creating a neutral conductor with both polarities falling into the double layer but not all of them find pairs and that is the magnetic field our planet produces as well.
There is also something called Density of the plasma which does a few things as well like skin effects and boundary layers.

I mean instead of insulting me why don't you ask me questions, I mean really, grow up.

And like I said before They and terms like that means a quantity. Of what remains to be seen. I have a theory but it isn't fully fleshed out.

Think of them as like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinsk ... yramid.png

One is positive and the other is a negative. One is full of space (charge carrier) and one is full of surface (lattice builder, force producer).

They might be crystals that have sub nano voltage sensitive capabilities

They are smaller then nano in size and is responsible for all the fractals that is built into nature.

Is it matter? At that size? Who knows...

How did they get that way? Big Bang? Or the Big rip? Now ask rip in what?

[jbignes5]

I'm glad you asked.

In a Universe far away there was a black hole. A mass so big it defied imagination. So perfect was it's packing that each individual piece of matter was aligned perfectly with it's neighbor in ever direction. One day for some odd reason,maybe matter is even different at those levels, one piece of matter touched it's neighbor and the unthinkable happened. It shorted out and fused together annihilating each other and breaking apart that perfect lattice. Since each surface was of the same polarity it flew apart and turned into a bubble wobbling to and fro. This is our space now. Our Universe with bubbles connected with bubbles with a layer of the perfect matter shattered into perfect sub nano crystals.
As you can see by the previous picture there are a great many different sized crystals in the Blue one and if you look close they are actually pointing down as opposed to the red ones. This tends to facilitate density and stress and actually will fit inside of the other one. These are not solid as well. They are made of sub sub nano parts and this makes them highly dynamic and able to assemble in the smallest of time measurements, if we could measure time that fast.

Remember this is all theory and unfinished at best. This is the part that isn't provable but sounds really, really good. To good if you ask me. A real liquid crystal that has all the hallmarks of many many effects. The electric field especially and the line theory. Longitudinal conduction at an instant through the blue vehicle parts forming bridges between matter. Plasmoids would be long chains of these all weaved into itself. And the look of a spark totally explainable when you start playing with models of these. knowing that the base of the charge attaches to the base of the vehicle as well completely explains photons and ions and star clusters of the blue ones binding a charge pack in the center attracting matter to it's tip and forming atoms with the red one as an electron or mobile charge carrier.
Plus both can merge and create a totally neutral conductor for lattice building or charge separation.
Possibly one reason we could never see an electron is that it can slice through space like nothing. faster then it can be possible. And the angles would make it hard to be detected.

But that is my gobbly gook of a theory on plasma and electrons and charges. Still not complete but it would make an incredible movie huh?

My problem is figuring out what real matter is. Was it pockets of imperfections in the perfect matrix? did some of the layer or layers shatter completely and unevenly? It's not an easy thing figuring this out. But that is what I got on that side of it.

I really wish I could simulate this but it would take a quantum computer to do it and there is no way I could afford that. Or even get access to that... Plus I am a Computer Technician with Electronics Technician instruction and not a programmer or modeler. I do hardware and basic operating system operations and I am the best at what I do<-my opinion, lol. Fyi
Before my disability kicked in, Scoliosis and degenerative disk disease.

The other problem is, is this has to be fractal. Can we go deeper in the fractal or is there a beginning? Imagine the power when matter touched shorting space. Would the resulting chaos be fractal as well and is still going deeper? We are getting into the really weird stuff here.
Is the division of space becoming more (expanding) or higher in density and a percentage of expansion?
Is Moore's Law actually a law of physics? Or the result of the fractal becoming finer or higher in density as time (rate of change in density) moves along.

[jbignes5]

I'm sorry for roto posting but it wouldn't let me edit the last post anymore.

" Imagine the power when matter touched shorting space. Would the resulting chaos be fractal as well and is still going deeper? We are getting into the really weird stuff here."

I meant Imagine the energy of the layer breaking then collapsing together then touching then rebounding back, of what was left. Would the resulting chaos be fractal as well and still go deeper and is still going deeper. This is the real deep stuff.. *Wink* *wink* Pun intended...
Hows that for bunk... Rubbish.. Pure imagination.. With a tad of reality springing forward.
Would a simulation actually create a reality inside of the matter of the computer? LOL

Ok back to gravity. Maybe there is a layer or layers of neutral plasma around our Earth surface and the charges with vehicles go towards the neutrals because they still transfer potential from crystal to crystal via tip bumping to base. Piezoelectric laws obeyed there. Charges which are finer pieces of crystal will spill out of the charges flowing down around the lattice of neutral conductors like cars on a raised highway. Flowing around the base towards the tip smashing into the next base and flowing to the next. Is this an explanation of light? Gravity and a myriad of other effects like charge passage while building a connection between the matter? Think about the red one which is a charge carrier but dynamic in size and ability to join the charge by shock disassembly. This way the vehicle becomes the roadway or conductor. Is this also why space seems to be expanding?

[nick c]

jbignes5,
The practice on this forum is for the "Electric Universe" and the "Electric Universe - Planetary Science" boards to be reserved for discussion of topics put forth in the published materials of the TB team, Electric Universe, and Plasma Cosmology. Forum members are welcome to put their own personal theorizing up for discussion on the NIAMI board.
See:

For the most part, discussion is to be restricted to published materials with some relevance to Electric Universe and Plasma Cosmology themes, and related scientific information. Having said that, this forum affords more latitude than most, assuming most users will allow common sense to guide them. For those who wish to discuss topics closer to the fringes, please restrict your discussions to the 'New Insights and Mad Ideas' or 'The Human Question' boards

Your posts on this thread seem to be focused on your own personal theories.
This thread is being derailed by this; now the focus of the discussion is on your theorizing and not the topic title. Posts here should concern the topic of Wal Thornhill's gravity hypothesis, dipoles, electric gravity, Ralph Sansbury, and so on.

Feel free to open a thread on the NIAMI board, where you can have a more flexible venue to present your own personal EU related theorizing.

If you have any questions or comments on this, please do not post them here, but rather send me a PM so as to not further send this thread off topic.

[jbignes5]

I understand the response I got from you. Although this is a Theory it is also the background of what is driving or allowing energy to move. Gravity is such a movement.

I understand that the posts stepped outside of the Topic at hand but the Theory must be known before we can see the action responsible for such movements like gravity. It is the action in the theory that cause or allows gravity to manifest. Partly due to induction and the mechanism behind it.

How is one to discuss Gravity when one doesn't look to how it is generated or manifests. It is very on topic with the discussion of gravity because even our own academia has no clue. Rather I would argue that we must define gravity first. Mr. Thornhill is right that it is electric. But what is electric then? Not the measurement but the action of electric. What structure are we condensing or manipulating here?
Man has a hard time defining time as well because with time comes growth. Growth of the Universe and it's evolution along the way. Time stands still for no man and I only tried to show how a unifying law or Theory should be just that, unifying.
Maybe you are right, it is a way out theory but it makes perfect sense when looked at. It must be the one thing that is tied to every energetic transfer. It must span everything. Everything must be aware of the whole due to a medium that connects all space, that allows induction across that space and acts like the plasma in our blood. There must be something there and it is very fluidic.
If piezo electricity is in our Universe it must be part of the whole as well so it must be in the fluid space as well and in this case is even provable because we observe it. We know crystalline forms are made in a compression method. We know a certain space has a huge gravitic pull and is consuming matter and squeezing out all the space between that matter in the inside. Weather we can see it or not we know the description of the event because we observe it currently. It's not a great leap to imagine the going on in that space. We cause diamonds to form in the exact method in the production of those diamonds in the lab. We know this already.

You know what. Your right. Maybe this is to advanced for the discussion of the mechanics behind gravity. It is suppossed to be a discussion about Mr. thormhills ideas on this. Counter ideas and the proofs behind them maybe outside of the discussion part with no justification as to why you think so. Lets just discuss his idea and not one that maybe makes better sense and after refining could be the most elegant description of everything and what connects it. What allows gravity and ever other communication of matter and force even. Why would you want to hear why I think he might be partly right but a bit wrong as well. No counter point.

I get it. Good day and I'll just bow out.. Thanks for an ear.. Adieu'

Think I will remove my account after this. Just to keep me from coming back here and bothering you anymore. I tend to keep coming back afterwards and I really hate to think I would not be able to debate or discuss the topics posted about. Sometimes I get a bit pushy I guess. Thanks though.

[upriver]

I understand the response I got from you. Although this is a Theory it is also the background of what is driving or allowing energy to move. Gravity is such a movement.

I understand that the posts stepped outside of the Topic at hand but the Theory must be known before we can see the action responsible for such movements like gravity. It is the action in the theory that cause or allows gravity to manifest. Partly due to induction and the mechanism behind it.

How is one to discuss Gravity when one doesn't look to how it is generated or manifests. It is very on topic with the discussion of gravity because even our own academia has no clue. Rather I would argue that we must define gravity first. Mr. Thornhill is right that it is electric. But what is electric then? Not the measurement but the action of electric. What structure are we condensing or manipulating here?
Man has a hard time defining time as well because with time comes growth. Growth of the Universe and it's evolution along the way. Time stands still for no man and I only tried to show how a unifying law or Theory should be just that, unifying.
Maybe you are right, it is a way out theory but it makes perfect sense when looked at. It must be the one thing that is tied to every energetic transfer. It must span everything. Everything must be aware of the whole due to a medium that connects all space, that allows induction across that space and acts like the plasma in our blood. There must be something there and it is very fluidic.
If piezo electricity is in our Universe it must be part of the whole as well so it must be in the fluid space as well and in this case is even provable because we observe it. We know crystalline forms are made in a compression method. We know a certain space has a huge gravitic pull and is consuming matter and squeezing out all the space between that matter in the inside. Weather we can see it or not we know the description of the event because we observe it currently. It's not a great leap to imagine the going on in that space. We cause diamonds to form in the exact method in the production of those diamonds in the lab. We know this already.

You know what. Your right. Maybe this is to advanced for the discussion of the mechanics behind gravity. It is suppossed to be a discussion about Mr. thormhills ideas on this. Counter ideas and the proofs behind them maybe outside of the discussion part with no justification as to why you think so. Lets just discuss his idea and not one that maybe makes better sense and after refining could be the most elegant description of everything and what connects it. What allows gravity and ever other communication of matter and force even. Why would you want to hear why I think he might be partly right but a bit wrong as well. No counter point.

I get it. Good day and I'll just bow out.. Thanks for an ear.. Adieu'

Think I will remove my account after this. Just to keep me from coming back here and bothering you anymore. I tend to keep coming back afterwards and I really hate to think I would not be able to debate or discuss the topics posted about. Sometimes I get a bit pushy I guess. Thanks though.

Make your own thread...

[querious]

Regarding Wal's Adelaide talk, Dave Smith wrote...

"Wal's work on beginning to really understand gravity is nothing short of outstanding."

I was wondering if anybody on this forum has any explanation as to why a neutral foil doesn't change weight upon becoming charged, if gravity is due dipoles within the Earth.

Also, in the new lecture, did Wal find a way around the circular reasoning that the nuclei fall because they're heavier, creating dipoles, thereby causing dipole gravity?