Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by seasmith » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:12 pm

querious,
Leaving out your foil hat and all that, in terms of solar system gravity specifically, what are your objections again ?
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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by querious » Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:47 pm

seasmith wrote:querious,
Leaving out your foil hat and all that, in terms of solar system gravity specifically, what are your objections again ?
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What do you mean by "leaving out your foil hat and all that"?

My most obvious objection is the one I just stated in my previous post.

Oh, and Happy New Year to all!!

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by seasmith » Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:17 am

querious wrote:
My most obvious objection is the one I just stated in my previous post.
Do you mean your post about "utterly clueless" Wal, and charged foil ?
My question was to "solar system gravity specifically".
Think larger.

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by querious » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:22 pm

seasmith wrote:
querious wrote:
My most obvious objection is the one I just stated in my previous post.
Do you mean your post about "utterly clueless" Wal, and charged foil ?
Yes, that one.
seasmith wrote:My question was to "solar system gravity specifically".
Think larger.
Could you please elaborate? Think larger about what?

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by seasmith » Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:48 pm

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Ummm, for the third time, larger like a "solar system".
You know, gravity of the sun, gravity of Earth ?

Do you have ideas, or only criticisms ??

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by willendure » Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:29 pm

querious wrote: Guess nobody on this forum has the guts to question him, or else nobody can understand the simple logic of these objections.
I did, after actually watching his presentation I called it a 'load of nonsense', and still do. You were totally on it with the charged foil, and between us we came up with many examples that his hypothesis fails to explain.

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by querious » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:37 pm

seasmith wrote:~
Ummm, for the third time, larger like a "solar system".
You know, gravity of the sun, gravity of Earth ?

Do you have ideas, or only criticisms ??
For now, only criticisms.

Why do I need to "think larger"? Sounds like you're trying to muddy the waters.

Just try to explain why dipole-caused gravity wouldn't affect a charged foil.

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by Bengt Nyman » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:54 pm

querious wrote: ... a charged foil.
I have explained it in detail and at the time he conceded. I don't think the boy means well.

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by querious » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:34 pm

willendure wrote:
querious wrote: Guess nobody on this forum has the guts to question him, or else nobody can understand the simple logic of these objections.
I did, after actually watching his presentation I called it a 'load of nonsense', and still do. You were totally on it with the charged foil, and between us we came up with many examples that his hypothesis fails to explain.
Hi willendure,
I meant nobody on this forum who also regularly corresponds with Wal, such as Crothers or Talbott.

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by D_Archer » Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:01 am

querious wrote:
willendure wrote:
querious wrote: Guess nobody on this forum has the guts to question him, or else nobody can understand the simple logic of these objections.
I did, after actually watching his presentation I called it a 'load of nonsense', and still do. You were totally on it with the charged foil, and between us we came up with many examples that his hypothesis fails to explain.
Hi willendure,
I meant nobody on this forum who also regularly corresponds with Wal, such as Crothers or Talbott.
Because the criticism is lackluster.

For Wal this is work in progress, there is nothing wrong with trying to figure how this "gravity" thing works, whatever it is. If you have a better idea present it somewhere, write a paper. This thread is going nowhere.

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by chrimony » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:30 am

D_Archer wrote:Because the criticism is lackluster.

For Wal this is work in progress, there is nothing wrong with trying to figure how this "gravity" thing works, whatever it is. If you have a better idea present it somewhere, write a paper.
This response is lackluster. Given the biting criticisms that Wal has for mainstream science, it's the height of hypocrisy to present his own theory of gravity that makes no sense, no predictions, and doesn't pass the sniff test, at least as well as it can be understood by scientifically minded people, and not defend his theory. It's sad that the defense of this theory was left up to Dave Talbott, who's the expert in mythology, not science.
This thread is going nowhere.
Well yes, because the only person who can defend it is Thornhill. Others have tried in his place, but they seem to understand it no better than anybody else.

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by antosarai » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:58 am

:?: Did you see/hear Mr. Thornhill statement in the YouTube's Space News video 'Einstein: The Mythology of Celebrity' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zELjb6iDjL8), at 2:30:

"... the subtle longitudinal electric force — also known as gravity?" :?:

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by querious » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:53 am

D_Archer wrote:
querious wrote:
willendure wrote:
querious wrote: Guess nobody on this forum has the guts to question him, or else nobody can understand the simple logic of these objections.
I did, after actually watching his presentation I called it a 'load of nonsense', and still do. You were totally on it with the charged foil, and between us we came up with many examples that his hypothesis fails to explain.
Hi willendure,
I meant nobody on this forum who also regularly corresponds with Wal, such as Crothers or Talbott.
Because the criticism is lackluster.

For Wal this is work in progress, there is nothing wrong with trying to figure how this "gravity" thing works, whatever it is. If you have a better idea present it somewhere, write a paper. This thread is going nowhere.

Regards,
Daniel
If you think our objections are lackluster, then you simply don't understand them.

Like I said before, telling me to come up with my own theory of gravity is utterly lame as a defense against these objections.

Wal certainly doesn't present these ideas as a "work in progress". He seems pretty assured in his presentations.

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by Bengt Nyman » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:47 am

Excellent.
Wal's assessment and criticism of the pseudo religious teachings by Albert Einstein are accurate and quietly shared by many in science, though most hesitate to admit it. Proving that gravity emanates out of the lives of the energy tangles that we call particles, and is electric in nature, will allow us to put GR and SpaceTime in the museum.

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Re: Thornhill's Latest Gravity Presentation

Unread post by Grey Cloud » Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:11 am

Not sure if this is relevant here but have you seen this:

Gravitation under human control?
Physicist proposes using magnetic fields to produce and detect gravitational fields
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 083918.htm
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and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
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