SAFIRE?

[Lloyd]

Neutral BS
Childs said SAFIRE is neutral, but that's untrue. It's biased toward an anode Sun model. It doesn't test a cathode Sun model.

No Galactic Transformer
This site http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/Reb ... berg.shtml says the galactic magnetic field is about 3.0–6.0 × 10^-10 tesla. It quotes other sources as saying "The disk of the galaxy is permeated by a magnetic field. This field is weak, being only about 1/50,000 of the strength of the Earth's magnetic field at the surface, but it influences the motion of charged particles in the galaxy." "The strength of the galactic field is only about 0.000001 times the strength of the Earth's field at its surface, a value that is much too low to have dynamical effects on the interstellar gas that could account for the order represented by the spiral-arm structure."

If the Sun's magnetic field is only about 3 times stronger than the Earth's field and the galaxy's field is 50 thousand times weaker than Earth's, how would there be enough power to induce an AC current or anything? You don't need an outside current to power the Sun. The power is stored in its internal electric double layers. And the double layers were produced from galactic filament implosion, not from magnetic Z-pinch, though that helped shape the filament. When plasma clouds collide or get hit by supernova ejecta, filaments form and implode due to charge separation and recombination. The implosions form stars, planets and moons, all having internal electric double layers. The Sun becomes a strong storage battery and the planets and moons become weak batteries. So the matter of these bodies comes from outside via electric and magnetic forces, but the solar power and planetary heat comes from the internal electric double layers that were squeezed together by implosion.

See Charles Chandler's detailed papers on this at http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=4741-4752-5653-5660-6031.

[BecomingTesla]

"Childs said SAFIRE is neutral, but that's untrue. It's biased toward an anode Sun model. It doesn't test a cathode Sun model."

Childs said that the SAFIRE project is neutral in regards to favoring an electric-star model of a nuclear-star model. He didn't make any reference to cathode vs. anode, and I don't really think he had to. If, after we're done testing the anode model there is enough demand to test the cathode model, then I don't see any reason why they wouldn't, save for lack of further funding.

Likewise, I've got no issue with Chandler's ideas either. Doesn't mean that I don't want more testing. Let's just do more testing before we go around arguing certainty. SAFIRE is very much just the beginning, and it should be.

[Lloyd]

I believe they could easily test the cathode model while they're testing the anode model, but they're biased against it. I doubt if they're really neutral. They won't give out any of their specs for the experiments.

[Webbman]

Neutral BS
Childs said SAFIRE is neutral, but that's untrue. It's biased toward an anode Sun model. It doesn't test a cathode Sun model.

No Galactic Transformer
This site http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/Reb ... berg.shtml says the galactic magnetic field is about 3.0–6.0 × 10^-10 tesla. It quotes other sources as saying "The disk of the galaxy is permeated by a magnetic field. This field is weak, being only about 1/50,000 of the strength of the Earth's magnetic field at the surface, but it influences the motion of charged particles in the galaxy." "The strength of the galactic field is only about 0.000001 times the strength of the Earth's field at its surface, a value that is much too low to have dynamical effects on the interstellar gas that could account for the order represented by the spiral-arm structure."

If the Sun's magnetic field is only about 3 times stronger than the Earth's field and the galaxy's field is 50 thousand times weaker than Earth's, how would there be enough power to induce an AC current or anything? You don't need an outside current to power the Sun. The power is stored in its internal electric double layers. And the double layers were produced from galactic filament implosion, not from magnetic Z-pinch, though that helped shape the filament. When plasma clouds collide or get hit by supernova ejecta, filaments form and implode due to charge separation and recombination. The implosions form stars, planets and moons, all having internal electric double layers. The Sun becomes a strong storage battery and the planets and moons become weak batteries. So the matter of these bodies comes from outside via electric and magnetic forces, but the solar power and planetary heat comes from the internal electric double layers that were squeezed together by implosion.

See Charles Chandler's detailed papers on this at http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=4741-4752-5653-5660-6031.

I find those numbers hard to believe. I would like to see the calculations, if there were any, that lead to those estimates. What did they say abut electricity in space?

[colzboppo]

"The disk of the galaxy is permeated by a magnetic field. This field is weak, being only about 1/50,000 of the strength of the Earth's magnetic field at the surface, but it influences the motion of charged particles in the galaxy." "The strength of the galactic field is only about 0.000001 times the strength of the Earth's field at its surface, a value that is much too low to have dynamical effects on the interstellar gas that could account for the order represented by the spiral-arm structure."

The ISMF (Interstellar Magnetic Field) may be extremely weak, but it is the strongest, largest, and most influential force at the galactic scale, at least for charged plasma, and therefore also neutral interstellar dust/gas carried with it, until it reaches the magnetic influence of a star in that galaxy. The spiral arm reached an equilibrium of charge, energy, and structure in our interstellar locale long before we turned our eyes to the heavens. It currently flows steadily like a stream, adding and subtracting just enough charge to produce stable stellar behaviour long enough for intelligent life to evolve in it's warm glow. It's alignment is the most important factor, if any large pulse of charged particles finds itself hurtling towards us along this interstellar highway, we may find our sun 'recharging' in a most spectacular fashion.