
from https://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005 ... rcuits.htm

If some are doubting the current flow along the arms in that depiction, note that it appears to match the current flow they observed for the sun here http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014ApJ...780..103WMillennium wrote:Depicting the most obvious of the Star/Plasma/Field Wave Group Galactic Circuits ...
from https://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005 ... rcuits.htm
The same is true for galaxies. I'll make this post for you and others here that are already quite familiar with the EU material and ideas put forth elsewhere in this forum. Meaning I'll go fast and only post a couple links here, and assume you know the rest.Solar wrote:Some thoughts:
Back to basics. To side with one or the other position as to whether the sun internally or externally 'powered' will be found to be an error.
That is correct overall imho. Let’s look at what might be some supporting evidence and utilize the conjugate relationship (cycle) that the electric forces undergo. With this approach of current ‘input’ through the spiral arms consider the following astrophysical quandary and its explanation:celeste wrote:In other words, we are not looking at two "types" of galaxies, we are seeing two different phases of the galactic cycle. The same current flow can be used to describe both galactic and solar circuits.
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I'll suggest that the current through the poles is a large scale current, and the current through the arms is a separate secondary current.
The so called “density wave” is in actuality a wave of electric field induced increase in “current density” imparted from the ‘external environment’ of the intergalactic medium. This will propagate inward throughout the thickness of the disk as well as discharge inward along the spiral arms including occasionally across their gaps. Astrophysics interprets a portion of this as “… gas cloud falling into Milky Way…” in the same interpretive vein as material observed to be "falling" sunward via LASCO. Astrophysics then uses the kinematics of “compression” and consider the “bar” as simply stirring up the plasma and bouncing it around within the framework of the resonantly cohesive galactic magnetic field - only to resonantly alight the outer edges first?? No thanks."The rest of the galaxy is done maturing," said Kartik Sheth of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory of Charlottesville, Virginia. "But the outer ring is just now starting to light up with stars." – Spitzer Telescope Galactic Wheel of Life Shines in Infrared
See what might be happening there? Current through the arms as a result of electric field induced increase in charge/current density is inward bound. But the periphery is alight all at once suggesting an inward advancing stimulus as a whole. Remember, per previous reference, that there may be “burst” of ‘input’ from the larger interstellar and intergalactic species that are mixed within the magnetosphere of sun and/or galaxy.Characteristics
A nearly perfect ring of young hot blue stars circles the older yellow nucleus…
Hoag’s Object
Is the second image here what that paper shows? The first image on the left is the Wikipedia image of the HCS. The second image, on the right, is the same thing but with the sheet divided into two tubes. Is that the right idea?Celeste said: You know how we see current flowing into the sun http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014ApJ...780..103W in cylinders on opposite sides of the sun, yet at the other end of the solar cycle some have shown evidence for a plasma torus around the sun (not current TO the sun)?

The second image does match what they see. The first image does NOT match. This illustrates where the problem crept in; we can map the image on the right to either their image, OR an image of cylinders coming in from both sides.Lloyd wrote:Is the second image here what that paper shows? The first image on the left is the Wikipedia image of the HCS. The second image, on the right, is the same thing but with the sheet divided into two tubes. Is that the right idea?Celeste said: You know how we see current flowing into the sun http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014ApJ...780..103W in cylinders on opposite sides of the sun, yet at the other end of the solar cycle some have shown evidence for a plasma torus around the sun (not current TO the sun)?
Solar wrote:Some thoughts:
Back to basics. To side with one or the other position as to whether the sun internally or externally 'powered' will be found to be an error. Simply put either approach is too limited. Such limited reasoning dispenses with developments at the experimental hands of The Founders of the electrical sciences such as Tesla, O. Heaviside, J. Maxwell, and the like.
Characterizations of conjugate electrical phenomena include:
Conductance
Admittance
Susceptance
Inductance
Reactance
Impendence
Resistance
These terms speak to electrical relationships established throughout the history of Electrodynamic Theory that appear to have been forgotten and are surely neglected when the approach devolves into either an internal or external 'source' as 'cause' for electrical phenomena.
Now that is some interesting synergy Kiwi. Quite often when reading people's ideas, comments etc I'll write but not post. Believe it or not I actually began writing some reflections on the post you made (here) early this morning and simply haven't posted due to time. I'll put effort into condensing those reflections and do so as your comments there, imho, have relevance just as you suspect.kiwi wrote:
The "founders" ?? ....No Ampere?... Gauss? ... Weber?![]()
Not having a go at you Solar .. you run rings around me in the brain-stakes .. respect![]()
But really? .... Is it just me?
This material is nothing "new" ... Goldminer etc have posted this on different boards here over the years ....
Can I just get your opinion here .... Thanks .. enjoy your posts as always mate
Oh and Celeste also ... thoughts?
Wish I could channel Junglelord at times like this ... he's on the "inside" now Im sure![]()
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/a ... cience.pdf

You’ve connected the dots pretty well, imho there is actually no need for the question marks in your post. This topic will initially venture a bit off track of trying to establish large scale electrical relationships but an attempt will be made to converge with it . My hope with this post is an ambitious one. Several seeming discordant sources have to be brought to together in order to attempt to convey what the combined efforts sought to describe and work with. Then, what to me is, an elegant example in Nature will hopefully assist to somewhat fuse them together as attempts to express what Nature does quite beautifully. As always these are thoughts for consideration.kiwi wrote: Yes I understand that thanks... But E=Mc2 tells us nothing really does it? ... Weber was criticised for creating a condition that led to a runaway energy situation by the critics of the time ..... rather ironic when you consider modern useage of the hijacked "singularity" in BH equations? ..... In Webers case the claim was easily refuted as indeed the speed of light was the limiting factor restricting that expansion..... The most important aspect is that he understood there needed to be both the Electro-static and the Electro-Dyanamic "forces" combined if a complete understanding were to be had? ......
I cannot connect the dots myself,... or be wholly sure there are actually dots to be connected..... What I do know is that the current approach(s) seem all to lead to mass confusion ..... And also it seem's the component that is missing is the "longitudinal" aspect of the Phenomena .... that is also embedded in Tesla's work? ........
Maxwell’s dismissal of what he did not understand, increasingly took on
the character of ignorant prejudice. There was nothing original in his idea
of an ether as the transmitting medium of electromagnetic action. Had
Gauss seen a clear solution through such a mode of representation, he
would have developed it. There was none, as the glaring failure of
Maxwell’s theory to even account for the existence of the electron ought
to indicate.
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/a ... cience.pdf - Source
What does it mean?By 1856 Weber was writing this equation with c instead of 4/a. But Weber’s c=4 is not our c=3x108 m/s …
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This means that c is the ratio of electromagnetic and electrostatic units of current, or the ratio of electromagnetic and electrostatic units of charge.
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Alternatively we might also say that c is the number of units of statical electricity which are transmitted by the unit electric current in the unit of time. - “The Meaning of the constant c in Weber’s Electrodynamics”
To me this means that in order for the “electrodynamics” (which is to say the dynamics of electricity in Motion with the conjugate relationships between electric and magnetic fields and the currents) to occur there exist a ratio wherein an ‘electrostatic unit’ conjoins to an ‘electromagnetic unit’. It is not a “speed” and neither is it a reference to “particles” but the ratio of that which is produced of their ‘union’. Today the physics refers to this as “merger” and/or “collisions”. One unit being an ‘electrostatic unit’; the other unit being an ‘electromagnetic unit’.Ratio: the quantitative relation between two amounts showing the number of times one value contains or is contained within the other.

This would then go to constitute what some of the Assis papers on Weber’s work to unify electrostatics (Coulomb) and electrodynamics (Ampere) with Faraday’s law of induction refers to as a “photon gas”. It is the “photon”, if one is in agreement with the corpuscular theory, which is accredited as being…In 1905 the value E, the energy of a charged atomic oscillator, was theoretically associated with the energy of the electromagnetic wave itself, representing the minimum amount of energy required to form an electromagnetic field (a "quantum"). Further investigation of quanta revealed behaviour associated with an independent unit ("particle") as opposed to an electromagnetic wave and was eventually given the term photon. – Wiki
Stop. Despite all of that and other confusing elucidations, extrapolations, and theoretics just recall that two “fields” of differing quality conjoin to produce a third form of “energy” which manifest the ongoing qualities of both the progenitors just as surely as a sibling may simultaneously manifest the qualities of BOTH its Parents while still being a unique individual.… absorbed by charged particles. As an electromagnetic wave, it has both electric and magnetic field components, which synchronously oscillate perpendicular to each other and perpendicular to the direction of energy and wave propagation – Wiki
Some waves will be resonant producing ‘standing waves’, some will be dissonant producing ‘transients’. Yet, a ‘transmitted wave’ encountering a ‘return wave’ (Reactance) along a waveguide should produce a bidirectional integration. A filament. They are serpentine because of what is occurring within their confines. The ‘incident waves’ and ‘reflected waves’, or wave trains, will rotate around each other, they will ‘twist’. Were an observer to gaze down the length of the filament they would observe ‘incident waves’ alternately exchanging with ‘reflected waves’ in circular fashion. When active, take a cross section along the filament axis and one will be present with a spiral. When idealized as minimally active, take a cross-section and one might observe a series of concentric circles.When the incident waves on the incoming lines reach the transition point, currents will flow into the network, transmitted waves will move out on the outgoing lines, and reflected waves will start back on the incoming lines. – TRAVELING WAVES ON ELECTRIC POWER SYSTEMS L. V. BEWLEY
[/quote]As I uttered these inspiring words the idea came like a flash of lightning and in an instant the truth was revealed. I drew with a stick on the sand the diagrams shown six years later in my address before the American Institute of Electrical Engineers, and my companion understood them perfectly. The images I saw were wonderfully sharp and clear and had the solidity of metal and stone, so much so that I told him: "See my motor here; watch me reverse it." – Nikola Tesla
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