Massive Gamma Ray Burst - how does this work?

[neilwilkes]

Gamma-ray bursts are the universe's most luminous explosions. Astronomers believe most occur when exotic massive stars run out of nuclear fuel. As a star's core collapses into a black hole, jets of material -- powered by processes not yet fully understood -- blast outward at nearly the speed of light. The jets bore all the way through the collapsing star and continue into space, where they interact with gas previously shed by the star and generate bright afterglows that fade with time.

The quotation is taken from http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009 ... list111734 referring to a burst picked up by the FERMI telescope.
WHat I don't understand (apparently in common with the relativists) is what is happening here.
Surely their theories should be able to explain this type of thing if they are correct - better still, predict it?
The part that - again - gets me is that if a "massive exotic star" (again they invoke "exotic" objects) is collapsing into a "Black Hole", then how can jets of anything escape from this at close to the speed of light?

[earls]

According to mainstream, it is suggested that Supernovas function like nuclear fission (implosion) bombs. The "outer shell" of the star collapses towards the center compressing the core (which becomes a black hole from the sudden, intense, increase of mass) and then the star feels a reverberation from the energy released by the core collapse that blows off the outer shell.

Here, a perfect example: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... imated.gif

Of course, instead of an external explosive compression blast you have the never-wavering, ultimate force of gravity compressing everything to a point. While the star has enough mass to already become a black hole, it was the nuclear fusion reactions that prevented the collapse... "Then it ran out of fuel."

As you may be aware, the EU explanation simply says that the star suffers an incredible electrical surge which blows it apart, leaving a high density electromagnetic void instead of a point-like ultra massive object.

[StefanR]

Here is a big collection of some mainstream ideas, lots of magnetism and magnetism, but it containes also a lot of observations:

`MAGNETARS', SOFT GAMMA REPEATERS
& VERY STRONG MAGNETIC FIELDS

http://solomon.as.utexas.edu/~duncan/magnetar.html
http://solomon.as.utexas.edu/~duncan/ma ... html#Links

[StevenO]

According to the most comprehensive theory I know the unexplicable isotropic cosmic phenomena like the CMBR, cosmic rays and gamma ray bursts are effects we observe from 'anti-matter' stars. These stars are aggregated in time and have no location in space, that is why their radiation shows up as isotropic background radiation. Since the physical features of anti-matter stars invert wrt. to regular matter, high 'anti-temperature' shows up as low material temperature which explains why the CMBR shows up as low temperature radiation.

Since the GRB are isotropic I believe the ones that are detected are not located in the outer regions of the universe but local, so their suggested enormous energy content is only an illusion.

[davesmith_au]

According to the most comprehensive theory I know ...

You obviously don't know or understand much of EU theory then. No mystical stars which are "... aggregated in time and have no location in space, ..." (whatever that means) required. This is the Electric Universe section of the forum, let's stick to science as best we can please.

Cheers, Dave Smith.

[StevenO]

According to the most comprehensive theory I know ...

You obviously don't know or understand much of EU theory then. No mystical stars which are "... aggregated in time and have no location in space, ..." (whatever that means) required. This is the Electric Universe section of the forum, let's stick to science as best we can please.

Cheers, Dave Smith.

This is indeed not EU theory, but 'Reciprocal System' theory, a theory where space and time are on symmetrical footing. In that theory there is an 'anti-material' universe region located in three dimensions of 'time' as opposed to our 'material' universe region in three dimensions of space. Supernova explosions can then propel matter from one region to the other causing effects as CMB, cosmic rays or GRB. It is as much science as EU is. (http://library.rstheory.com/)

[davesmith_au]

"This is indeed not EU theory, "

My point exactly. This is the Electric Universe forum. It is a place to discuss Electric Universe theory as per the introduction:

Plasma and electricity in space. Failure of gravity-only cosmology. Exposing the myths of dark matter, dark energy, black holes, neutron stars, and other mathematical constructs. The electric model of stars. Predictions and confirmations of the electric comet.

A suitable place for launching into your own pet theory is New Insights and Mad Ideas. Please note, this has a two-fold title, only one of which is "Mad Ideas", the other being "New Insights" and so should not cause any offence. You are free to discuss RS theory there.

Dave Smith.
Forum Administrator.