Meteor in the Electric Universe

[cbc]

Hi everyone

I have been thinking about this for some time, whether the action of friction is the only thing that causes incandescence or are electrical forces acting on this projectile.

There have been recent articles on x-ray formation when lightning strikes, and the scotch tape x-ray phenomenen and maybe meteors?

So what I was thinking is that there is a charge difference between the meteor and earth's atmosphere and a glow discharge or plasma machining is occuring.

What if we could get some group to image the meteor in a wide spectrum including light and x-ray frequencies.

I have a feeling abalation due to friction would not produce x-ray photons.

Also, when I have seen meteors, they tend to have a long tail similar to the images of comets.

Just an idea, but I don't have any avenue to direct my inquiry due to the existant bias towards plasma cosmology.

Please check these images out to see if my hypothesis might be prudent to the discussion and one more piece to the eventual exceptance that the universe is not just gravity controlled but electectric in nature.

CBC

[Steve Smith]

See the folowing:

Meteor Crater in Arizona

The Peekskill Meteor

Exploding Bolides

Libya's Kebira Crater

[cbc]

Thanks for the links,

Their nice but what I hoping for is one of us can bring this up to the people who hold the keys. They and only they can acquire the images in x-ray frequencies.
They used that imaging technology to image the lightning strikes in x-ray, maybe they could be of assistance in imaging meteor interactions in the near earth area.

thanks

May be Mr. Thornhill or Mr. Lerner would be able to identify receptive parties to this idea.

[cbc]

hi I tried searching for specific meteorite pictures here are the URLs


http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... n%26sa%3DG

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... n%26sa%3DG

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... n%26sa%3DG

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... n%26sa%3DG

These are just a few pictures, but there are many more, they all have the appearance of plasma arcs and electrical discharges, not abalation due to friction.

[MGmirkin]

Also, when meteors / meteorites have been caught on camera, there often seems to be repeated bright flaring / flashing prior to reaching the ground. May well be discharges between the atmosphere and the nucleus as it passes through different layers of the atmosphere. Is it possible that such an object could rupture a natural double layer and that charge / current from the double layer could flow into the ion trail of the meteorite, and cause discharging and breakup as suggested in TPODs or on Holoscience?

Speculative, but quite interesting and probably a sensible line of investigation to (if possible) image such events in multiple frequency ranges concurrently, and on as many occasions as can be identified, tracked and observed (for a larger data set, where there might be a better chance of picking up on such patterns)...

Regards,
~Michael Gmirkin

[cbc]

Thanks Michael,

I was thinking about emailing some observatories to see if any one could help me!

I was also thinking about comets, has anyone heard or seen anything where they were imaged with an instrument that was sensitive to the wavelengths of the x-ray spectrum or more energetic Gamma quanta.

Also I have been study pictures of meteorites and they sure due compare with some "impact" Electrical features seen on other planetary bodies.

If anyone has a connection in this arena to delve into these astronomical observatories give it a try?

cbc

[MGmirkin]

X-rays? Comets?

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/12/03 ... om-comets/
http://discovermagazine.com/1997/jan/thexraycomet1037
http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/rosat/hyakutake.html
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-8378899.html

Charge exchange? Solar wind? Hmm... ;o]

http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bits ... 0-2538.pdf
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/a ... /5520/1343
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/1402-4896/70/6/N01
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/k ... 3/00006263

Electric Comet whatnow?

(The Electric Comet)
http://www.thunderbolts.info/pdf/ElectricComet.pdf

Regards,
~Michael Gmirkin

[cbc]

Great links!!

I did a google scholar search, on " x-ray imaging of comets".

Incredible number of scientific reviews identifying x-ray production throughout a comets movement in space.

I can't see how a gravity based universe could describe these incredible energy ranges.

If frictional abalation is their theory, I can't quite grasp the temperatures being achieved to produce this energy spectrum.

In x-ray imaging we smash relativistic speed electrons into a tungsten disk. The temperatures coincide around 4500 degrees farenheit. In the vacuum of space. Big bang cosmology cannot describe a cogent theory to explain these observations.

I tried searching x-ray imaging of meteorites and was unsuccesful.

Direct imaging of these comets in corresponding wavelengths could be huge to the development of EU theories.

thanks
cbc

[MGmirkin]

I can't see how a gravity based universe could describe these incredible energy ranges.

Charge exchange with the solar wind as the source of x-rays is the explanation they offer. They simply seem reluctant to go any further than that...

Let alone near the electric comet model, as that would impact theories of the sun, and then the whole ball of wax melts and oozes all over the place.

(Prediction #3: Electric Comets and the "Domino Effect")
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/ ... comets.htm

Didn't see that one coming, did ya'? And yet it's been around for ages!

Regards,
~Michael Gmirkin

[cbc]

Seems like I'm sometimes right, but always a day (years) late

Still would love to see them turn those fancy imagers back at us and see about emissions spectra produced during descent.

Check out wikipedia "Meteorites" article, I chuckled when they discuss the sounds, strange brightening of the object ect.......

Their blinders and religeon prevents them from seeing

Wasters of our money and our precious time here!!!

cbc

[flyingcloud]

Not sure which thread I want to put this, and if it's already been discussed, my apologies.

I was researching meteorites, and the identification thereof and I have found that the resounding consensus is that 99.999% are magnetic. Being of iron or similar origin

I stumble upon several websites that intend to assist the neophite geologist in meteorite dismaissal/confirmation

http://www.aerolite.org/found-a-meteorite.htm

http://www.star-bits.com/ID.htm

http://earthsci.org/fossils/space/crate ... ntify.html

http://geology.missouri.edu/rockid.html

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/petrolgy/Lea ... owrong.HTM

http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/id/magnetic.htm

certainly the consist of space debris that could potentially strike earth is not solely limitted to iron rich space rocks. There is alot more out there than just iron.

are the only meteorites made of iron? what happens to all those other space rocks that are not magnetic? why do they not become meteorites, or why the overwhelming majority do not strike earth

does the earth's magnetic field cause meteoritic impacts

if all / most meteorites are magnetic interactions with plasma fields and electro-magnetic forces would seem obvious

[webolife]

Isn't friction just another name for touch?
And isn't touch just another name for the electrical interaction between juxtaposed bodies?
Whether galaxy-sized, star-sized, planet-sized, asteroid-sized, or micrometeoroid-sized, (or sticky tape), as objects interact with each other a condition of electrical stress occurs... with greater speed, mass or inherent electrical charge, these stresses manifest in a variety of ways, but generally some form of light is invoked or ellicited. The "force vector" attributed to friction is a way of quantifying that electrical stress, but the reality of every such interaction is that we observe it as light, whether as heat, radio, colors, or x/gamma rays.

[nick c]

Hi flyingcloud,

There is alot more out there than just iron.

are the only meteorites made of iron? what happens to all those other space rocks that are not magnetic? why do they not become meteorites, or why the overwhelming majority do not strike earth

does the earth's magnetic field cause meteoritic impacts

if all / most meteorites are magnetic interactions with plasma fields and electro-magnetic forces would seem obvious

Most (93%) meteorites are of the stony type. Iron meteorites (6%) are more obvious and therefore much easier to find.

Meteorite Types & Percentage that Falls to the Earth

Stony meteorites
-Chondrites (85.7%)
Carbonaceous
Enstatite
-Achondrites (7.1%)
HED group
SNC group
Aubrites
Ureilites

Stony iron meteorites (1.5%)
Pallasites
Mesosiderites

Iron meteorites (5.7%)

http://www.solarviews.com/eng/meteor.htm

nick c

[bdw000]

Gmirk:
Charge exchange with the solar wind as the source of x-rays is the explanation they offer. They simply seem reluctant to go any further than that...

There is a 49 minute video at the university of California that I've posted here a couple of times by Alexander Dalgarno of Harvard:
http://www.ucsd.tv/search-details.asp?showID=7418

It is more than just "solar wind" that they say causes the x-rays, but the "heavy" ions from the sun like oxygen and Nitrogen. The key is that a completely ionized oxygen atom (it has zero electrons), when it captures its first electron (from some H2 that surrounds a comet), when that electron drops to its lowest orbital, it emits x-rays. The x-ray effect only happens with a COMPLETELY ionized oxygen atom.

I am not saying I KNOW that these guys are right, but the evidence seemed fairly convincing to me (a nonspecialist).

Even if these guys are right, that does not of course rule out other electrical "happenings" with comets. It is my opinion that in this case both are probably correct.

The key to this video, for me, is that Dalgarno actually states right at the end that the CMBR could be caused, at least in part, by similar events (heavy ions in the solar wind interatcting with H2 that surrounds us in the solar system)going on all around us, just producing less energetic (the CMBR) radiation. This is a perfect explanation of why the CMBR comes from "all around."

It is my humble opinion that this could possibly (yes, I admit that it is only possible) be a whopping blow to the big bang interpretation of the CMBR. THat is how I interpret it. I am amazed that no one here has ever been interested in it.

The 45 minute video is worth a look. Anyone interested in direct evidence against the big bang theory needs to see this.

There are the usual journal articles about this.