` This particular model of plasma dynamics would appear to indicate that there is a proportionally high energy concentration at the equatorial regions, originating from toroidal currents beneath the surface, but not from the solar center.Upriver wrote: The other issue is that the coronal loops are most active at the equator.
See also: Right, but doesn't the 'Island of Stability' actually state you cannot have a star-sized atom? Is Iron not dense enough? Angular Momentum in a metal ball in a intense rotating magnetic field is not exactly mathematically worked out yet.Michael Mozina wrote:http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archiv ... es/2007/33Krackonis wrote: Isn't the Neutron Core model defunct in the EU?
You might take a gander at this Hubble news release about dying stars. One thing they seem to have in common is is bright glowing central "leftover" from the explosion. IMO that could be the core itself, while the shell and surrounding material is the part that actually "explodes" out into space.
The other thing to consider is that every solar formation theory seems to have a significant problem as it relates to conservation of energy, particularly as it relates to the spin rate of stars.
http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encycloped ... tm#Angular
Stars "seem" to rotate far too leaving us with a significant amount of missing angular momentum that seems to be unaccounted for. Some of that missing momentum might found in a rapidly spinning neutron core, and we have to explain those bright "dots" at the center of supernovas in EU theory as well.
Not exactly. You'd end up with raw elements, but not necessarily only hydrogen and electrons. You'd have iron atoms and electrons too. If you stripped everything down to nothing but protons, neutrons and electrons, it would probably form hydrogen first, but unless you actually break the nucleus, you'll have various plasmas composed of various elements and electrons.Krackonis wrote: Isn't Hydrogen Plasma (A free proton and a free electron) the natural state of all plasma in the end? If you rip all the molecules apart then that is the result yes?
From what I can observe in satellite images like Lasco C2 and C3 images, and for the data that was acquired by the Wind satellite, that the sun "sheds" a lot of material out into space, mostly hydrogen and helium atoms from the outer most layers of the sun's atmosphere. Some heavy elements can be kicked off the surface and up into higher regions of the suns atmosphere, but gravity does make most of the heavy elements return to the sun eventually, usually in the form of "coronal rain".Also, looking at the gas cloud, I note it is quite high up on the sun, over the 45 degree angle. Perhaps this is a anomalie creeping back along the sun's torus? Perhaps an excited double layer area? Much like the "multimillion degree gas explosions" that occurs where the earths magnetic field connects with the solar plasma?
http://trace.lmsal.com/POD/movies/T195_ ... AR9906.movSolar wrote: Finally found a few movies of this supposed "solar inflow" process.
Inflow 1
Inflow 2
Interesting perspective on the visuals. Solar inflow movie #2 is interesting because at approximately the 10 o'clock position I can make out the ghostly electromagnetic field lines of a large coronal hoop.
These 'inflowing gas clouds' seem to be attached to the coronal hoops. I have to wonder, this photo process seems to render a negative series of images so that normally bright areas are rendered dark. Could someone explain why this effect is not simply looking at some of these coronal hoops edge on or nearly so?
It seems that viewing a coronal hoop edge on would be akin to looking through a section of it's length. Which means you could get the effect of areas appearing more dense etc.
If plasma surrounds the length coronal hoops and/or highly energized plasma along a coronal hoop comes "raining" back down along the length of same wouldn't a reverse image render this types of effect?
I don't know but an 'infalling gas cloud" against that much electromagnetically accelerated matter (including thermal acceleration) seems to fly against reason.
Very beautiful. And strange, those dark disturbances. The glowing material seems to react in a relaxed way, with undulating forms. Quite different from the strained loop shapes.Michael Mozina wrote:
http://trace.lmsal.com/POD/movies/T195_ ... AR9906.mov
This is a link to a closeup of a CME event where we can see streamers of materials coming down into the active region. IMO this process is due to heavier materials (silicon, calcium, iron, etc) that have been kicked out into space from previous or current CME events. As they left the surface in a previous event, these heavy ions may have been more positively charged, and picked up electrons on their journey into space, or they may just be heavy enough that gravity simply pulls them back toward the sun.
I love that movie. Anyone else notice when the fields emerge they seem to burn away the surface as if it was paper burning away. Even looks a bit like a hole burning through a piece of paper.biknewb wrote:Very beautiful. And strange, those dark disturbances. The glowing material seems to react in a relaxed way, with undulating forms. Quite different from the strained loop shapes.Michael Mozina wrote:
http://trace.lmsal.com/POD/movies/T195_ ... AR9906.mov
This is a link to a closeup of a CME event where we can see streamers of materials coming down into the active region. IMO this process is due to heavier materials (silicon, calcium, iron, etc) that have been kicked out into space from previous or current CME events. As they left the surface in a previous event, these heavy ions may have been more positively charged, and picked up electrons on their journey into space, or they may just be heavy enough that gravity simply pulls them back toward the sun.
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Yes, I agree, see below.Michael Mozina wrote:
This is a link to a closeup of a CME event where we can see streamers of materials coming down into the active region. IMO this process is due to heavier materials (silicon, calcium, iron, etc) that have been kicked out into space from previous or current CME events. As they left the surface in a previous event, these heavy ions may have been more positively charged, and picked up electrons on their journey into space, or they may just be heavy enough that gravity simply pulls them back toward the sun.
Keep in mind that the sun is part of a whole *system* of active suns that shed materials into space. As the sun moves around the galaxy, it runs into these clouds of ejected materials from other suns, and that material is "sucked in" as well. I do not believe however that there is enough material coming back into the sun to explain it's hydrogen atmosphere. IMO there is a huge difference between the outflows and the inflows. While this inflow process undoubtedly helps bring hydrogen back to the sun, I doubt it's enough to explain why the sun's atmosphere doesn't just blow out into space. IMO there must be a hydrogen creation process going on inside the electrified coronal loops. That process IMO is due to z-pinch events inside the coronal loops that causes neutrons to be squeezed out of various plasmas and surface materials that have been ionized in the loops. Those neutrons decay into hydrogen after about 10 minutes. Rhessi images show a definite neutron capture signature inside the large coronal loops. The coronal loops themselves are more like concentric "tubes' that form tornado like vortexes inside the loops. That movement, combined with electron flows themselves provides enough kinetic energy to help pinch out neutrons from the plasma and to initiate fusion processes inside the loops.
I do believe that upriver is correct about the fact that plasma inflows play a role here, I just don't know that the inflows are large enough to explain where all the hydrogen is coming from. I think we have to look to the z-pinch process itself to understand exactly how the sun creates hydrogen and helium in it's atmosphere.
So, we have 2 process that we can say add to the solar wind and keep the solar atmosphere replenished.I think that most of the hydrogen is coming from the neutron release processes inside the surface loop, and the helium is being created in the P-P fusion processes that occur inside the coronal loop.
So we can observe, by HDM effects, the Sun's tubeholes-flares- loops (and accompanying CME’s and radiation bursts across the EM spectrum) in the solar atmosphere;Michael Mozina wrote:…………I think that most of the hydrogen is coming from the neutron release processes inside the surface loop, and the helium is being created in the P-P fusion processes that occur inside the coronal loop.upriver wrote: That sounds like perpetual motion.
2 things are needed for the sun to function.
Electricity(electrons) and Fuel(Hydrogen)
In my extension of the EU, both of these items comes from the galactic center, as do stars it seems......
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…………………………………………………………………………………A cartoon depicting the different scales of coronal loop that exist in the lower corona and transition region. Many scales have been observed and it is believed there are many sub-resolution structures below the transition region threading through the chromosphere. Highly radiating coronal loops may share the same footpoint location as open flux tubes (i.e. solar wind and coronal holes) and therefore may share similar physics leading to the conjecture that coronal loops may share similar heating mechanisms as the solar wind.
Cartoon produced by Dr Ian O'Neill and can be found in the thesis entitled Quiescent Coronal Loops Heated by Turbulence.
iano 21:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cart ... %5B/img%5D
Could the solar minimum phase be a charging period (via cosmic L-waves?), untill a proximate charge density is garnered by the solar anode;Upriver wrote: So, we have 2 process that we can say add to the solar wind and keep the solar atmosphere replenished.
There is probably a third source, namely the universal wind. In other words, the power of the universe *flows* though everything, including galaxies. That energy flow would take the form of electron flows and plasma flows from outside our galaxy. Some of that flow would end up in our solar system.upriver wrote: So, we have 2 process that we can say add to the solar wind and keep the solar atmosphere replenished.
The neutrons come from an ever changing surface landscape that recycles tectonic plates at a much faster rate than planets. The surface is relatively hot, volcanic and it is constantly erupting and recycling itself. As that upper layer of crust is turned into plasma by coronal loops, neutrons are pinched from it. That is also true of the heavier elements from the atmosphere that are also inside the coronal loops, including the silicon and calcium plasmas. They all provide source material for releasing free neutrons. The z-pinch process is what released them into the solar atmosphere, not only in the largest loops, but in loops all along the surface. The surface itself is in a constant state of flux as well, and it's not anywhere near as static as a planet.So where do the raw materials for the neutrons come from? Neutrons are stopped by 40 ft of iron...
I've never really understood what else they thing might be involved in the first place. I've always thought that plasma flows in high energy shock waves would cause induction forces to manifest, and create high energy particle releases. I'm not sure why the mainstream seems to think that electricity is a revelation, or that high energy particles are related to electrical interactions. That's always seemed obvious to me, even before I got involved with solar theories. Once I realized that the coronal loops themselves were high energy discharges, it seemed very obvious to me that all 'cosmic rays" are electrical in origin.Here is a pretty important find.
They have found what I believe are signs of plasma pinches generating cosmic rays.
"NASA: major step toward knowing origin of cosmic rays."
"Suzaku spectra of RXJ1713.7 provide independent evidence of rapid acceleration. They show that the hot spots have tangled magnetic fields, which allow particles to bounce back and forth rapidly until they are accelerated to very high energies. Since electrons and protons of a given energy are accelerated at the same high rate, but protons don’t radiate away their energy as electrons do, Uchiyama’s team argues that protons will be accelerated to the higher energies needed to match the energies seen in cosmic rays striking Earth’s atmosphere. "
http://www.physorg.com/news111166810.html
It confirms this hypothesis.
When you talk about matter creation, I think it's important to realize that the last if matter is being created, the last phase of that process is the bonding of a proton and an electron into an atom. From there, fusion processes in plasma can fuse heavier elements. Whatever creation process might be taking place would necessarily need to be electrical in nature.Cosmic ray spectrum above 10^15 eV (a new approach)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005ICRC....3..137P
The observations also confirm new matter creation, I think, if the ideas
behind that paper are correct.....
From the first time I laid my eyes on Yohkoh x-ray images of the sun, I was forever hooked on satellite technologies. I've loved every new satellite image I could find. IMO the latest technology is going to me it almost impossible to deny the role of electrical currents in coronal loop activity. Once Kosovichev and the Japanese team that are heading up the Hinode project overlay the CAII-H images on top of the magnetic field images from the SOT, they will clearly start to see the Birkeland currents and Alfven waves that traverse the solar atmosphere. The electron flow within the coronal loops is what causes these loops to heat up plasma to millions of degrees, and it drives the fusion and hydrogen/helium creation process that occurs in these loops. The lightest elements in the solar atmosphere are most sensitive to the EM fields of the universe itself, and these elements are more easily attracted to the 'relatively" negative solar sheath. Heavier elements inside the coronal loops tend to fall back to the solar surface as "coronal rain" once the electron flow ends, whereas the lighter elements tend to be more easily shed from the surface in large scale blowout events.biknewb wrote: Very beautiful. And strange, those dark disturbances. The glowing material seems to react in a relaxed way, with undulating forms. Quite different from the strained loop shapes.
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