Recovered: Iron Sun Theories

[bboyer]

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "junglelord"

I learned much from that website on Tesla.
Its like reading from the Electric Bible and the story of Moses on the Mountain, years after encountering the Burning Bush so to speak.

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[bboyer]

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "Krackonis"

I learned much from that website on Tesla.
Its like reading from the Electric Bible and the story of Moses on the Mountain, years after encountering the Burning Bush so to speak.

Burning Bush that did not burn... That's just St Elmos fire... Sheesh ;P expecially amongst the thorns. ;P
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[bboyer]

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "junglelord"

I believe we can safely say that St. Elmos Fire is a manifistation of Tesla Longitudinal Impusle Dielectric Energy Corona
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[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "lk"

- SeaSmith said:

He believed it was an electrostatic transforma­tion.

- The EU experts seem to say that electrostatics is the wrong model for astronomy; rather it's electro-dynamics.

[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "SeaSmith"

Ik,

They aren't two separate models.
They are two (or 4, in J'lord's valid decription) interacting manifestations of (electric) energy.

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[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "biknewb"

- SeaSmith said:

He believed it was an electrostatic transforma­tion.

- The EU experts seem to say that electrostatics is the wrong model for astronomy; rather it's electro-dynamics.

My impression was that these EU experts meant, only the electrostatic model of the Sun was the wrong one.

[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "lk"

- I'm pretty sure they meant that the electrostatic model is wrong for basically the entire universe. Here are some supporting statements.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... hballs.htm
The electric force is never mentioned in astronomy although it is the most powerful force in Nature. It is dismissed because simplistic electrostatic models do not match observations. Yet plasma cosmologists are able to successfully match electrodynamic models to observations without conjuring invisible matter and inventing new forces. ... The Electric Universe model is based on electrodynamics. And not simply on Freshman Physics electrodynamics from a textbook but on the electrical behavior of plasma as observed in laboratories and by spacecraft.
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch ... hballs.htm

[bboyer]

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:46 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "junglelord"

Plasma divides into cells that are separated by capacitor-like double layers; and this ensures that plasma phenomena are characterized by conditions of non-isotropy, discontinuity and inhomogeneity.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... hballs.htm
That is the definition of a scalar generator.
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[bboyer]

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "lk"

- JL:

Plasma divides into cells that are separated by capacitor-like double layers; and this ensures that plasma phenomena are characterized by conditions of non-isotropy, discontinuity and inhomogeneity.

- So you think there's no homogeneity anywhere? What about Thornhill's evidence for significant homogeneity within the Sun? Where are the double layers on the Sun? Do they extend any deeper than the photosphere? Isn't ball lightning homogeneous? Isn't it possible that some stars may be ball lightning? What about the stars in globular clusters?
- Do you disagree with the TPOD statements I quoted?

[bboyer]

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "SeaSmith"

In the electrical model, the Sun is the “anode” or positively charged body in the electrical exchange, while the "cathode" or negatively charged contributor is not a discrete object, but the invisible “virtual cathode” at the limit of the Sun’s coronal discharge. (Coronal discharges can sometimes be seen as a glow surrounding high-voltage transmission wires, where the wire discharges into the surrounding air). This virtual cathode lies far beyond the planets. In the lexicon of astronomy, this is the “heliopause.” In electrical terms, it is the cellular sheath or “double layer” separating the plasma cell that surrounds the Sun ("heliosphere”) from the enveloping galactic plasma.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... 427sun.htm

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[bboyer]

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "junglelord"

- JL:

Plasma divides into cells that are separated by capacitor-like double layers; and this ensures that plasma phenomena are characterized by conditions of non-isotropy, discontinuity and inhomogeneity.

- So you think there's no homogeneity anywhere? What about Thornhill's evidence for significant homogeneity within the Sun? Where are the double layers on the Sun? Do they extend any deeper than the photosphere? Isn't ball lightning homogeneous? Isn't it possible that some stars may be ball lightning? What about the stars in globular clusters?
- Do you disagree with the TPOD statements I quoted?

that quote is from Thornhill (link was provided] and I was showing that his definition of plasma was the definition of a scalar generator.
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Peace, Live Long and Prosper.

Man lives in the sunlit world of what he believes to be reality. But there is, unseen by most, an underworld, a place that is just as real, but not as brightly lit... a Darkside."

[bboyer]

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: Solar double-layer Reply with quote
OP "SeaSmith"

3. An electric star has an internal radial electric field. But because plasma is an outstanding conductor it cannot sustain a high electric field. So plasma self-organizes to form a protective sheath or 'double layer' across which most of the electric field is concentrated and in which most of the electrical energy is stored. It is the release of that internal stored energy that causes CME's, nova outbursts, polar jets, and the birth of stellar companions.

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=by2r22xg

[bboyer]

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:43 am Post subject: Solar system sun model Reply with quote
OP "SeaSmith"

Plasma divides into cells that are separated by capacitor-like double layers; and this ensures that plasma phenomena are characterized by conditions of non-isotropy, discontinuity and inhomogeneity.

Doesn't have to be an 'either-or' e-dynamic or e-static solar model.
I'm proposing an integration of the two concepts:

One that will view the whole solar system, right out to and including the helio-pause, as an integral transformer-capacitor-transceiver system.

Much like Tesla's experimental setup.

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[bboyer]

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "SeaSmith"

A common mistake when first trying to understand the Electric Universe is to think in terms of electrostatics. Experiments with pith balls in Freshman Physics Lab come to mind.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... hballs.htm

Perhaps it's just down to the terms used again.
Electrostatics needs a scalar update, as a concept.

Also Capacitance.

Therefore, during the "charging" process, ENERGY is placed in the capacitor. Capacitors store energy, not charge. When we "charge" a capacitor, we give it a charge of energy. Because we use the word "charge" to refer both to electric charges and ALSO to quantities of energy, capacitor explanations are impossible to understand. "Charging" a capacitor means injecting electrical energy into the device.

http://amasci.com/emotor/cap1.html

Somebody supplied this great link a week or so ago.
sorry i forget who
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[bboyer]

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: Re: Solar system sun model Reply with quote
OP "arc-us"

....

Doesn't have to be an 'either-or' e-dynamic or e-static solar model.

....
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Exactly so. Bill Beaty's article titled something like "There's Nothing Static about Static Electricity" comes to mind.

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