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Re: Recovered: Quick - Upriver - Where's that bucket?...

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Re: Recovered: Quick - Upriver - Where's that bucket?...

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ROFL This is truly incredible. There is a long tradition of backwards reasoning in standard cosmorony, but here is the final piece: the explanation of the existence of electric fields in space
... giant magnetised cocoons of plasma, or charged particles were carved out by "jets" stabbing out from the supermassive black holes at the heart of active galaxies. .... over billions of years, the slow decay of the magnetic fields inside such fossil cocoons induces an electric field.
What more proof do we want?
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Re: Recovered: Quick - Upriver - Where's that bucket?...

Unread post by bboyer » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:58 pm

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: Black holes, dark matter Reply with quote
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This will really have you running for the bucket (or the nearest porcelain throne):

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/? ... E0ZDk3ZTI=

Please forgive the off-topic post. Perhaps Kwicky will have some choice words.

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Re: Recovered: Quick - Upriver - Where's that bucket?...

Unread post by bboyer » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:59 pm

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longcircuit wrote: This will really have you running for the bucket (or the nearest porcelain throne):

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/? ... E0ZDk3ZTI=

Please forgive the off-topic post. Perhaps Kwicky will have some choice words.

longcircuit

Horrid... Astropoop, indeed!

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Re: Recovered: Quick - Upriver - Where's that bucket?...

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biknewb wrote: ROFL This is truly incredible. There is a long tradition of backwards reasoning in standard cosmorony, but here is the final piece: the explanation of the existence of electric fields in space
... giant magnetised cocoons of plasma, or charged particles were carved out by "jets" stabbing out from the supermassive black holes at the heart of active galaxies. .... over billions of years, the slow decay of the magnetic fields inside such fossil cocoons induces an electric field.
What more proof do we want?
[sound of someone running for the bucket]

Well, since I didn't know this had been mentioned here, I've just recently written a little bit (by my standards; others might call it a book, or perhaps a book review) on the topic over on this new thread. It probably deserved a promotion anyway. Mildly interesting. They seem to be shoehorning EU/plasma/electric notions into the BB day-by-day. Go figure.

Anywho, new thread's here:
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Re: Recovered: Quick - Upriver - Where's that bucket?...

Unread post by bboyer » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:07 pm

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: Swiss cheese... Reply with quote
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From Space.com, October 19's image of the day, the very aptly titled Circles of Confusion.
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Space.com says:
Bright areas are covered by carbon dioxide frost, with a "swiss cheese" pattern common at the south polar residual cap. The circular evenness of the depression suggests an impact crater, but there is no evidence of a crater rim or debris unless it lies beneath the frost. While the depression may have formed by collapse, the image is missing the typical ground fractures that form around a collapse pit. Further analysis of the data may eventually uncover more clues.

And Kwicky says:
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"Clues,... clues,... I'll give you clueless morons a clue.

CHECK OUT THE THUNDERBOLTS TPODS!

At least they've got more on offer than freakin' swiss cheese!"


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Re: Recovered: Quick - Upriver - Where's that bucket?...

Unread post by bboyer » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:09 pm

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:43 am Post subject: Swiss cheese... Reply with quote
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Kwicky's mum catches up with him...
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There you are! I've been worried sick. It's time to come home now, the gum-leaves are done.

And enough is enough, if you can't say anything nice better not to say anything at all.
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Unread post by bboyer » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:16 pm

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:50 am Post subject: And after that little interlude, back to bucket business... Reply with quote
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Time to retch ... er, reach for the bucket again Upriver... I don't intend to be nice about this one, what sort of garbage are we feeding our kids these days? My bold by the way...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.j ... mos123.xml
"Test tube universe" hints at unifying theory

Let's read on, sounds *cough* *gag* interesting...
The test tube, the size of a little finger, has been cooled to a fraction of a degree above the lowest possible temperature, absolute zero, which is just over 273 degrees below the freezing point of water.
test_tube_universe_scicosmos123.jpg
Does one of these test tubes hold a baby universe?

Inside the tube an isotope of helium (called helium three) forms a "superfluid", an ordered liquid where all the atoms are in the same state according to the theory that rules the subatomic domain, called quantum theory.

So quantum theory, yes theory, RULES the subatomic domain. Says who?...
What is remarkable is that atoms in the liquid, at temperatures within a thousandth of a degree of absolute zero, form structures that, according to the team at Lancaster University, are similar those seen in the cosmos.

"In effect, we have made a universe in a test tube," says Richard Haley, who did the work with Prof George Pickett and other members of the "Ultra-low Temperature Group."

What is remarkable, is that I don't see any structures which look like the cosmos in either of those tubes... and then Richard Haley actually says, "In effect, we have made a universe in a test tube" - this statement should shoot any credibility Haley has straight out the window!
The Holy Grail of physics is to establish an overarching explanation to unite all the particles and forces of the cosmos. But one of the complaints commonly levelled at a leading contender for a "theory of everything", called string theory, is that it is impossible to test.

But now, according to the study in the journal Nature Physics, it may be possible using the universe in a test tube. "It was a serendipitous discovery," says Haley.

Again, restated, as a "universe in a test tube", and then, it was 'discovered' by accident??!!!
The equations used to describe this superfluid turn up in many other branches of physics. "For instance, the internal structure of the superfluid mirrors very closely the structure of space-time itself, the 'background' of the universe in which we live," says Haley.

And now we go from an equation to a physical 'mirror' of space-time (whatever that is) itself...
"Consequently the superfluid can be used to simulate particle and cosmic phenomena; black holes, cosmic strings and the Big Bang for instance.

And so now, this marvelous little test-tube of fluid can be used to simulate black holes, cosmic strings and the Big Bang!!! Wow, that's one versatile little universe they've made there...
"This is great for testing theories, since the equations describing helium-3 are well-established enough to say that it is the most complex system for which we already have the 'Theory of Everything'," Haley continues.

"If the analogous experiments don't work in helium-3, then it's probably time to go back to the drawing board (or computer) with your latest pet theory."

So if they don't find any black holes in there, they'll tip it down the sink, right?
Since the pioneering work of Albert Einstein, the quest for a theory of everything has depended on combining theories of the very small (quantum theory) and the very large (relativity).

One of the strangest features of such theories is that they require the universe to have more than three spatial dimensions to unify our picture of all forces and all matter. One promising candidate is supersymmetric string theory, in which ripples on strings are interpreted as particles. But, to their surprise, physicists found five superstring theories. Now the Lancaster experiments provide new insights into the phenomena predicted by these theories.

For the past three decades it has been known that strings are one member of a bigger class of objects called branes, which exist in higher dimensional space, that could be extended in more than one dimension - from strings of one dimension, to membranes of two dimensions, to those of p dimensions, dubbed p-branes. Moreover string theories and p-branes are facets of one underlying 11-dimensional M theory, which suggests that we live in a brane world: a four-dimensional surface, or brane, in a higher dimensional mixture of space and time.

People and most particles move in the brane, while the higher dimensions provide a framework to unify all forces, from gravity to those that act between atomic particles. While experiments have begun to highlight cracks in the current best theory, called "the standard model", there is evidence that M theory's extra hidden dimensions could be revealed next year when a Geneva atom smasher - the £4.4 billion Large Hadron Collider - begins experiments. But the Lancaster team offers another route to address this impasse.

This whole steaming dollop of metaphysical cr@p really makes me want to hurl. More ridiculous theories, described as if they are established fact. I think I know who the p-branes are... and to top all this wild speculation off, they finish up with this:
One idea is that a collision between a brane and an antibrane could have triggered the Big Bang itself. This can now be simulated in superfluid helium within the little test tube.

So all this garbage, can now be simulated in one little test-tube? THAT I'd like to see... but I doubt I ever will.

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Re: Recovered: Quick - Upriver - Where's that bucket?...

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When I get done ROTFLMAOF>>> I will reply....
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p-branes---- ROTFLAMYOFFFF
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:29 am Post subject: Reply with quote
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Upriver, your laughing is contagious.

I couldn't tell if you meant p-branes for the theory; or the two guys who came up with it. LOL!!!
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Re: Recovered: Quick - Upriver - Where's that bucket?...

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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:29 am Post subject: Reply with quote
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Well with a little luck these pea-brains create just a tiny little black hole in their test tube and get sucked in. Good riddance.
(As a black hole non-believer I can easily say nasty things like this) :D :D :D LOL
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[quote-"upriver"]
p-branes[/quote]


I wasn't going to say anything, but I found that extremely amusing as well... P-branes, indeed!

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Unread post by bboyer » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:22 pm

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Very tiny, and rolled up.....

The brains or the branes......

ROTHFLMAO :shock: :shock:
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I'm going to get miles out of this, anyway I can. :lol:
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