Sun's Magnetic Field About to Flip

[Maol]

Precession is inertial force in oblique reaction to the axis of rotating mass. If the rotating mass has magnetic properties, they in turn will react to or act on other magnetic or EM forces.

The mass reactions and EM reactions are separate entities, though it seems unlikely they can be decoupled in this astronomical context of plasma is electric, ergo magnetic.

I find it likely the external EM forces are the perturbations which incite the precessions of the various masses particular to this phenomenon of reversing magnetic fields in rotating bodies.

As the bodies themselves are not solid, the Sun a ball of plasma with ? interior, Earth - a lithosphere with a fluid metal core, Jupiter - a gas ball with a metal core, etc, the precession obviously does not need to involve the entire body, only the part with the predominant magnetic property.

[CharlesChandler]

Are you sure there is NO net charge on the Earth?

I'm of the opinion that the Earth, together with its atmosphere, is effectively net neutral. If it isn't, the solid/liquid Earth is slightly negative. The interplanetary medium is slightly positive, but not very dense, and the entire heliosphere is likely to be net neutral.

My only real reason for going with net neutrality is just that sustained charge separations require a reason, and I don't see a powerful reason at the scale of the entire solar system. Resistance is never infinite, and eventually, charges recombine. So I use that as the foundation.

Inside stars/planets is a different issue. I believe that gravity and electron degeneracy pressure conspire to create current-free double-layers that define the behaviors of these objects. So they're net neutral, and current-free, but nevertheless sporting behaviors that can only be understood in EM terms.

[moses]

My only real reason for going with net neutrality is just that sustained charge separations require a reason, and I don't see a powerful reason at the scale of the entire solar system. Resistance is never infinite, and eventually, charges recombine. So I use that as the foundation.
Charles
In other words you do not believe that the Solar System was in disorder a few thousand years ago.
Cheers,
Mo

[CharlesChandler]

In other words you do not believe that the Solar System was in disorder a few thousand years ago.

That's correct. I'm not saying that I take the standard chronology at face value, because the dating methods are highly contentious. But I don't see life evolving in just a few thousand years, and life (as we know it) requires temperatures within a very narrow range. I "think" that this rules out major changes in the recent past, at least if they would have varied the temperature.

[Sparky]

CC

But I don't see life evolving in just a few thousand years, and life (as we know it) requires temperatures within a very narrow range. I "think" that this rules out major changes in the recent past, at least if they would have varied the temperature.

I have been thinking about that. If Saturn was our sun, while we moved through space, and it is electrical, connected to berkeland currents, how did that work?
Was Saturn/Sun dragging a rope of plasma like an extension cord.

Of course a disruption in the solar system a few thousand years ago may have been less catastrophic than what you suggest. Evidence of history and art suggests something.

[CharlesChandler]

Evidence of history and art suggests something.

Indeed -- I never challenged that something happened. I just don't see how such a radical rearrangement of orbits could have stabilized in such a short period of time, and without disrupting the food chain.

I like the Younger-Dryas Impact as the celestial event that left the indelible mark on the human psyche. Though it hasn't been accepted by the mainstream, there IS physical evidence of an impact at that time, and a wide variety of it.

[moses]

But I don't see life evolving in just a few thousand years, and life (as we know it) requires temperatures within a very narrow range. I "think" that this rules out major changes in the recent past, at least if they would have varied the temperature.
Charles
Given a previous atable situation then we do not have to worry much about evolution - only survival of what existed then.

Indeed -- I never challenged that something happened. I just don't see how such a radical rearrangement of orbits could have stabilized in such a short period of time, and without disrupting the food chain.
Charles
The orbits stabilise relatively quickly because electrical interactions modify orbits in such a manner to assist stabilisation. As to what the food chain was like before any such period of planetary chaos, it is difficult to pin down due to the dating problems. And if one considers epigenetics to be far more significant that the genetics in a survival situation, then it would only need a short period of time to to produce a stable food chain.

I like the Younger-Dryas Impact as the celestial event that left the indelible mark on the human psyche. Though it hasn't been accepted by the mainstream, there IS physical evidence of an impact at that time, and a wide variety of it.
Charles
I don't know about impact, but rather, extreme electrical effects. There is no doubt in my mind that the Younger-Dryas was during the period of planetary chaos, with an outside chance that it was the beginning of such.

To me there is evidence of ancient stories of planets acting up, and there is evidence of large effects on the Earth. After more than a decade studying this I now live in a different state of mind. It is the effects and significance of that period of chaos that now fill me.
Cheers,
Mo

[celeste]

I agree with moses. Impact at the Younger Dryas? Maybe. Plasma discharge? Absolutely. http://www.robertschoch.com/plasma.html
Charles, I'd be interested on your take here. If we had a collision AND a plasma discharge at the same time,is that evidence against "no net charge" on astronomical bodies? How, in your model, do we get a plasma discharge coincident with a collision?

[CharlesChandler]

If we had a collision AND a plasma discharge at the same time,is that evidence against "no net charge" on astronomical bodies? How, in your model, do we get a plasma discharge coincident with a collision?

For there to be a discharge, at least one of the bodies has to have a net charge. In my model, planetary surfaces are negatively charged, atmospheres are positively charged, and the interplanetary medium has a slight positive charge. So comets and asteroids are positively charged, having been swimming in a positively charged medium for who-knows-how-long. When a meteoroid enters the Earth's atmosphere, it picks up a stronger positive charge, because the atmosphere has a stronger charge, and because of charge separation in the detached shock front. An extreme positive charge can cause a "Coulomb explosion", where electrostatic repulsion combined with a weakened crystal lattice results in the disintegration of the object. This is why meteoroids break up into chunks, instead of just melting from the outside in, as all models and experimentation otherwise predict. But if the bolide survives all of that, there will be a discharge between it and the Earth just before impact. Evidence of this has never been found, but that's because the evidence is destroyed by the energy released by the impact. Nevertheless, bolides produce EMPs that don't have Newtonian explanations. The energy involved in relatively slight, but distinctive. IMO, this is why the Tempel 1 impactor generated an EMP just before collision.

[seasmith]

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Why did it flip ?

... precession is not IN the sun
It is within the entire volume of the solar system, extending Many billions of cubic miles, where the vast amount of charge is in motion. …
A full solar system ultimately transforms and transports charge, imo;
but wouldn't a spin-orbit, planetary solar system be like a multi-scale EMGyroscope, [or ESG, same principle]
ie EM gyros within gyros

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 8&start=15


Sol's polarity flip earlier this year is probably long forgotten behind the many pressing geopo events since then, but a post and link by T'bolt's member VWF rang a wee bell in me noggin, so thought to post this relevant bit of research here.

Note: The Newtonian Solar System model does not factor in the precession effect on mass of the charged particles encapsulated in the heliospherethat wobbles, which is approximately 18 trillion times the volume of the Sun. This suggests the actual barycenter of the Solar System is not the conventional barycentric coordinate, which was calculated without considering the mass of those revolving charged particles that propagate in spiral motion at an average velocity of 400-500 km per second away from the Sun in the Solar System to fill the entire heliosphere. Volume of theSun is ~1.412×10^18 cubic km, mass of the Sun is ~1.9891×10^30 kg, heliosphere has an approximate radius of 122 astronomical units,density of the Solar Wind is 4.0 atoms per cubic centimeter, the mass of a proton is ~1.6726×10^-27 kg.
And therefore a very sketchy calculation with omission errors for the total mass of supersonic protons in the heliosphere is only roughly 1.70x10^20 kg, but this could have a significant precessing effect on the Solar System in an overall angular momentum of ~7.67x10^28 kg m s^-1 with its 450 km average velocity, and this is apparently not a miniscule effect. If consider an upper limit for the density of solar wind at 7.0 atoms per cubic centimeter as suggested by the other solar wind research, the potential mass effect of protons in the heliosphere is approximately 6.75% of the Sun's mass. And considering the dragging effect by all other Solar System rocks and stuff beside Sun, Jupiter and Saturn, this is very potentially the catalyst that can drag to alter the ~20 year solar cycle of Sun, Jupiter and Saturn for manifesting the ~22 year solar cycle for BOTSS and Sun.

http://www.uvs-model.com/WFE%20on%20sun ... #solar_jet

"From the UVS perspective, the sexagenary cycle of ~60 year is governed by the precession of the Solar System, the … -vlf

[Vincent, Have you had an opportunity to interact with early T'bolts member Ray Tomes, re solar / astral cycles ?]


http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... hp?p=31556

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

[Vincent, Have you had an opportunity to interact with early T'bolts member Ray Tomes, re solar / astral cycles ?]


http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... hp?p=31556

Unfortunately I have not.

For a long while I had been wondering where are all the people who were researching on planetary alignment.

If Ray Tomes drops in I would very much want to tell him the mechanism is solar vortices for sunspot manifestation. And I believe he will be thrilled.

[seasmith]

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Hi Vincent,

Not meaning to dismiss your comet thread in the NIaMI section, still thinking about it …

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 936#p98936


Ray is getting along in years, like a lot of us, but was still writing earlier this year:

http://cyclesresearchinstitute.org/foru ... d1ea38bc8f

tho i wasn't able to log on just now.


Here are some 60, ≈ 104 year cycles articles:


http://cyclesresearchinstitute.wordpres ... sea-level/


http://cyclesresearchinstitute.wordpress.com




some folks around here tend to dismiss him a bit, i think because he sometimes works with very long timeframes,
but he's EU through and through...

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

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Hi Vincent,

Not meaning to dismiss your comet thread in the NIaMI section, still thinking about it …

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 936#p98936


Ray is getting along in years, like a lot of us, but was still writing earlier this year:

http://cyclesresearchinstitute.org/foru ... d1ea38bc8f

tho i wasn't able to log on just now.


Here are some 60, ≈ 104 year cycles articles:


http://cyclesresearchinstitute.wordpres ... sea-level/


http://cyclesresearchinstitute.wordpress.com




some folks around here tend to dismiss him a bit, i think because he sometimes works with very long timeframes,
but he's EU through and through...

No worries.

And TYVM for these links; these are important researches for sunspot activities are correlated with planetary motions.