IBEX discovers heliotail

[aristotlejones]

After watching TB's recent "Electric Comet" video, I was primed to notice an article in phys.org which admits the presence of magnetic fields in space.

"We're seeing a heliotail that's much flatter and broader than expected, with a slight tilt," says McComas. "Imagine sitting on a beach ball. The ball gets flattened by the external forces and its cross section is oval instead of circular. That's the effect the external magnetic field appears to be having on the heliotail."

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-07-ibex-space ... aling.html

[Dotini]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhAzMdoO ... r_embedded

Short vid of a new discovery announced by NASA.

Our solar system dashes around the Milky Way sporting a tail very much like a comet.

[Dotini]

The NASA video says the tail forms due to pressure from the interstellar gas and magnetic field.

If that is so, then wouldn't that make the hypothesized Oort cloud, thought to be a full light year from the sun, less likely to exist? Our solar system has made many passes through the four arms of the Milky Way over its existence. Unprotected by the heliosphere from interstellar plasma and magnetic fields, isn't it likely to have been stripped away by pressure, if it ever existed at all?

[Dotini]

Does the heliotail focus energy from the pulsar Geminga?

There is some interesting reading in the paper briefly abstracted below. It is difficult for me to parse the data given here with that in the (unavailable?) paper supportive of the recent IBEX findings. Perhaps some keen members could help me look into it?

http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/722 ... .text.html
ABSTRACT
The observation of a broad excess of sub-TeV cosmic rays compatible with the direction of the heliospheric tail and the discovery of two significant localized excess regions of multi-TeV cosmic rays by the MILAGRO Collaboration, also from the same region of the sky, have raised questions on their origin. In particular, the coincidence of the most significant localized region with the direction of the heliospheric tail and the small angular scale of the observed anisotropy (∼10°) is suggestive of a local origin and of a possible connection to the low-energy broad excess. Cosmic ray acceleration from magnetic reconnection in the magnetotail is proposed as a possible source of the energetic particles.

[celeste]

I can't believe this thread isn't drawing more response. Since the two of you are comparing the heliotail to a comet's tail, I'd like to point out one important, but counterintuitive result of the electric comet model.
If we start with Wal Thornhill's model, we see a positively charged sun, with a negatively charged comet. This leads to any positive ions formed at/splitting from the comet to stream outwards. They are held together in a Birkeland current. The same electric field (the sun's, not the comet's) causes negative charges to stream inwards from the outer solar system. The same magnetic field (the cometary birkeland tail, not any background solar magnetic field), causes those particles to converge on the tail. So we are left with the odd result, that our negatively charged comet sees an influx of negatively charged particles streaming towards it from down the tail.
Even if Wal had the charges backwards, we get the same odd result. A negative sun, with a positive comet, leads to an excess of "tail in" positive charges streaming towards a positive comet.

So let's look at Dotini's last link in the light of this sun=comet model. The result is that the tail in excess of positive charges we see streaming towards us from down the tail, proves that our sun (cometary core or nucleus) is positively charged. If you two can keep building a case for the heliotail being like a comets tail, we can show that Wal Thornhill was right about the sun being positively charged at it's surface, with outer solar system more negative.
That first link by Aristotlejones has "researchers find second tail region". That's something we can easily use in the heliotail= cometary tail model. Have either of you found anything else interesting along these lines (how else is the heliotail like a comet's tail)?

[celeste]

http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandevent ... 13-9-29-44
"In the inner Solar System the dust particles have a fan-like distribution."
So, unless I'm reading in too much here, the sun has both an ion tail and a separate fan-like dust tail?

[Osmosis]

Celeste,

I think you discovered a new comet!

Osmosis

[seasmith]

celeste » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:24 am

http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandevent ... 13-9-29-44
"In the inner Solar System the dust particles have a fan-like distribution."
So, unless I'm reading in too much here, the sun has both an ion tail and a separate fan-like dust tail?

A combination of this:






and this:?



http://www.holoscience.com/wp/wp-conten ... 00x271.jpg

http://www.holoscience.com/wp/electric-sun-verified/

http://www.ibex.swri.edu/multimedia/



http://www.dartmouth.edu/~heliosphere/

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~heliosphere/


http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 9&start=60

[celeste]

Seasmith, Thanks for this http://www.dartmouth.edu/~heliosphere/
This could be one of the most important diagrams I've seen in some time. It is a picture of the sun, and where it sits in our current filament. It is also a picture of a comet, and as such, shows an important piece that even Wal Thornhill missed.
First, let me ask you one question. If you wanted charged particles to flow along the lines shown in the diagram, how would you do that?

[seasmith]

If you wanted charged particles to flow along the lines shown in the diagram, how would you do that?

celeste, where is/are the feed source(s) ?

[celeste]

seasmith, the first step in looking at this picture http://www.dartmouth.edu/~heliosphere/ is to remember dethermalization. The stronger the electric field, the lower the observed temperature. How do we know this interpretation is correct? In two cases, (the "shock fronts"),there is a corresponding abrupt change in particle directions. The color change tells us we have change of electric field strength, while the change in particle directions tell us we have a change in electric field direction.
Now if I told you this was a picture of a comet, you wouldn't be shocked. The blue dot would be the comet,which you know is charged. The blue on the right would be in the direction of the sun, which you know has a huge electric field (especially compared to the comet). No surprises.
When you realize that we are looking at the sun, the picture is jaw dropping. Sure the sun has an electric field (the little blue dot). But what on earth is all the blue on the right of the diagram? Remember, the sun lives here http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/chimney.htm

[celeste]

If you wanted charged particles to flow along the lines shown in the diagram, how would you do that?

celeste, where is/are the feed source(s) ?

The only way to get particle velocities to match these, is to have the SAME charge at the sun, as we do off at the right edge of the diagram. NOT opposite charges. This gets particles of that same charge to flow as shown. The opposite charge is needed at the shock fronts only.
It looks like particles accelerating outward from the sun, keep accelerating outward past the "termination shock", but do they? Or as Michael Mozina talks about in the NASA video thread, don't forget about particle velocities as we pass through charge double layers. The particles are not being accelerated outward anymore. They have kinetic energy in this radial direction only. All the acceleration in this region(orange/red) is to the left in this diagram. We are not seeing a gradually merging of electric fields in this diagram. The sudden bending of particle paths means we are out of one field, and into another.

IF this is also a picture of a comet, you see the implications. The sun is charged, but it does not sit parked in a vacuum, free of electric and magnetic fields. A comet does not orbit an oppositely charged sun. A comet and sun travel together in the same electric/magnetic fields. I now understand this little quirk: why are the most eccentric orbits always the most inclined? This is true of solar system orbits, where Pluto's is most inclined and eccentric, and Saturn's rings, where the innermost rings are most eccentric and most inclined. The answer lies in this: change the charge on an object, and you change both how tightly it spirals around in the magnetic field, and how fast it travels down the same axis.

[celeste]

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~heliosphere/
This IS absolutely the picture of a comet, as well as the sun. The proof lies on page 103 of "The Electric Universe". If you see that image where x-rays are emitted where the positive solar wind particles hit the electrons in the coma, that matches what we see in the picture above. Again we need the termination shock (the equivalent of the coma) in that picture to be oppositely charged, in order to match the particle velocities shown. What this means in the electric comet model, is that yes, the comet's coma is oppositely charged to the sun, but also to the comets core. A comet's core must be charged the SAME as the sun.
One of the few successes of the mainstream's comet model, is the ability to accurately predict the return of a periodic comet. This can't be true in the electric model, if the cometary core is significantly more charged or neutral from one pass to the next. If, on the other hand, a core is charged like the sun, it will continually gain and lose it's electric coma. This is where Tom Van Flandern's genius is needed. The idea of spheres of influence is actually more important in the electric model, than it is in the gravitational model.
Remember Wal's solution to the spacecraft acceleration anomalies? The fact that this anomaly is so small, is what I want you to see. A radical change in the spacecraft's charge would have put it way off from it's predicted path. Why should a comet traveling in the same path be any different than a spacecraft? The comet picks up more electrons in it's coma in the outer solar system, and loses them to the sun when it returns(this is the spheres of influence idea applied to charge). This explains how a comet can give off so much power, yet not be fundamentally changed at it's core. It's core must not change fundamentally in it's mass charge ratio, or the mainstream's long period comet predictions would have failed spectacularly

[seasmith]

The bright dot near the center of the image is the star LL Orionis. The bown shock region is to the right of the star and stretches away form the star toward the top and bottom of the image, curving away from the star toward the left of the image.

These images depict two models of the IBEX data. The models are a type of map of the sky, similar to a flattened, oval map of the Earth you may have seen. These maps show the number of Energetic Neutral Atoms (ENAs) for each small area of the sky. The direction that the Sun is traveling, the nose of the heliosphere, is shown towards the right center of each map. Regions in red indicate that high levels of ENA originated in the region, while blue regions indicate low levels of ENA originated in the region. The top map shows what the data would look like if there was a strong shock, which means that the solar wind carries most of the pressure. The other map shows what the data would look like if there was a weak shock. In the case of weak shock, the initial shock is weakened into a wave by pickup ions and energetic protons from the solar wind. The top ellipse shows that if the TS is strong, the nose of the heliosphere will have high ENA origination while the tail will have relatively little ENA origination. Conversely, weak TS will have low numbers of ENAs at the nose. However, as one approaches the tail of a weak TS, ENA counts soar to form a peak circling the tail, yet the numbers of ENA will drop off quickly so that the tail itself has low ENA origination. The TS is most likely a combination of both models.

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Mon Jul 29

celeste wrote:
But what on earth is all the blue on the right of the diagram?
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~heliosphere/

Having never had a detector beyond the heliosphere, I’m not sure anyone knows…


http://ibex.swri.edu/

http://www.ibex.swri.edu/multimedia/


http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11135&page=11

[rkm]

I feel like the boy who said the Emperor had no clothes, being a newcomer to all this, but it seems obvious to me that the so-called 'heliotail' is simply the Birkeland current that powers the Sun. It twists, it has a braided structure, it's the right size, with the right orientation, and in the right place. The blue sphere to the left in the image, by the way, is supposed to represent the heliosphere. The current of course exits off to the left (speaking from an ion's point of view), but IBEX wasn't looking on that side of the heliosphere.