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More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby pavlink » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:29 am

More unexpected solar behaviour, solar magnetic dipole has not crossed zero
http://www.sott.net/article/262847-More ... ossed-zero

"This is fairly important news given the sun is strongly a magnetic entity, moreover this might be in line with some predictions about a kind of magnetic collapse."

And EU explanation is ...?
Electrical energies from space !?
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Re: More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby justcurious » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:35 pm

Are you suggesting that the magnetic poles appear as if they won't flip? The Sun skipping a beat?
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Re: More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby pavlink » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:10 am

@curious

Any non conventional explanation would prompt moderators to move the topic to NIAMI section.

Lets see officially sanctioned version first.
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Re: More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby nick c » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:48 am

pavlink wrote:Any non conventional explanation would prompt moderators to move the topic to NIAMI section.
Non conventional? what does that mean? I would think that the EU explanation would be described as 'non conventional'.
It seems as if you are annoyed with forum policy, but it is pretty simple. This board (and Planetary Science) is for discussion/debate of published EU material. The TB forum is not a publishing house for other theories. If someone has or subscribes to a theory which is outside of but in some way relevant to the EU then they are welcome to post it on the NIAMI board. It is not an insult to post there. We will let time determine which is a "new insight" and which is a "mad idea."
pavlink wrote:Lets see officially sanctioned version first.
Here in lies the problem; the information and answer to your query is easily available on more than one EU sanctioned site. By asking for the EU explanation, it just goes to show that you have not made the attempt to read the material. The implication being that it is not worth the time to acquaint one's self with what should be the topic of this board.
All forum members are encouraged to introduce themselves to the material and then bring their questions, disputes, discussions, etc. to this board. That was the intent of the founders of this forum. We are all guests in this house and it is only proper to respect the guidelines of our hosts.

Returning to the topic of magnetic field reversals:
From the Electric Cosmos site,
Electric Currents Key to Magnetic Phenomena
Scott wrote:Regardless of the direction of the main driving current
coming into the Sun, the eleven-year reversal of the magnetic
loops can be explained by transformer action as shown
above. If the main magnetic field that induces the surface
currents is growing in strength, the surface current will point
in one direction. If the main magnetic field starts to weaken
in intensity, the secondary (surface) current will reverse direction.
Consequently the magnetic polarity of the Omega
loops will also reverse. Notice that this mechanism does not
require the main solar driving current itself to reverse direction,
only to vary in amplitude. Thus the action described by
Parker (“The bipolar fields have opposite signs on opposite
sides of the equator.”) follows directly from Alfvén’s circuit.
So from the EU point of view, the issue centers on the particular galactic birkeland current powering the Sun. Magnetic field reversals are caused by variations in amplitude of the main driving current. The Sun is not necessarily constant, like all stars it is in effect a variable star dependent upon galactic birkeland currents.
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Re: More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby pavlink » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:57 pm

The Sun's driving current has changed.
It has changed dramatically so that the axial magnetic cycle is disrupted.

What is driving that change?

What are the change dynamics?
Is it increasing or decreasing?
How fast?
Is the change accelerating?
Is there a tipping point?
What are the other effects of the change through the solar system?
How faster the Venus winds can go? How faster the Earth winds can go?
So on and so forth.

So many questions hinge on that.
So many knowledge to gain.

What is driving the solar current change?
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Re: More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby Solar » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:00 pm

I think part of the problem in trying to understand some of the sun’s dynamics is the tendency to ‘isolate’ the sun from the rest of the Cosmos. As Nick has stated at the close of his l reply “The Sun is not necessarily constant…” one must take this as an optional stepping stone and begin to assess solar dynamics in relation to its ‘environment’.

There are several threads on this board which seek to do this. One of my personal favs involving the local environment of the Sun is member Celeste’s :

G-Cloud is the Answer

In that thread we discussed those facets of the sun’s local environment such as the “G-Cloud”, LIC, local interstellar filaments, local “molecular clouds”, “bulk flows”, the double-layers of filaments, radio scintillations of said local filaments, the local interstellar medium, the IBEX Ribbon and “charge exchange”, precession, Betelgeuse its “nearby wall of dust” possibly being similar to our Sun relative to the G-Cloud, “Interstellar turbulence”, the nearby Scorpius-Centaurus association and the potential influence of its ‘expanding shell’ with our Sun, interactive “fragments” in the local “superbubble”, the very local Sancini-van Woerden filament etc etc.

All local factors accompanied with references to take into consideration with regard to solar dynamics just to mention a few. I could go on because we haven’t even addressed the “chimney” features and their “galactic rain”: massively huge “tubes” perpendicular to the galactic plane, within one of which, resides our Sun and its surrounding environment. These external factors must also be taken into consideration.

The point is; also look around the Sun at operative factors in its environment; not just at the Sun alone.

pavlink wrote:The Sun's driving current has changed.
It has changed dramatically so that the axial magnetic cycle is disrupted.


The only "disruption" that exist is in their approach. You said it yourself in the opening post and quoted the appropriate section. Its ‘Their’ “expectations” and “predictions” based on what; statistical averaging(?) that are possibly out of touch; not the Sun and/or any other variable star. But don't just listen to me, look at the thread and follow the referenced evidence.
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Re: More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby justcurious » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:34 pm

I would tend to agree with Don Scott's assessment (seems the most sensible to me), that a weakening current produces magnetic fields in one direction, and a strengthening field would produce the magnetic fields in the opposite direction. The magnetic pole reversal would happen when the current changes from weakening to strengthening. If the current doesn't vary and stays constant, then the magnetic fields would would weaken and maybe disappear altogether.
Unfortunately, we don't seem to have the big picture yet in terms of hard data, hence the poor visibility on our local galactic neighbourhood (ie how our Solar system is electrically connected to it's environment). There is no "map" as far as I know.
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Re: More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby pavlink » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:29 am

When we are looking for the source of Sun's variability in its near environment there is a promising option.

Namely, the changes in circuit caused by the motions of the Sun's wide binary companion.

It is valid EU concept referenced by Stephan Smith here http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/06 ... y-waves-3/

Wide binary companion is causing the orbital precession too.

The whole "Electrical wide binaries" research field is underdeveloped at the moment.
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Re: More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby celeste » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:49 pm

justcurious wrote:I would tend to agree with Don Scott's assessment (seems the most sensible to me), that a weakening current produces magnetic fields in one direction, and a strengthening field would produce the magnetic fields in the opposite direction. The magnetic pole reversal would happen when the current changes from weakening to strengthening. If the current doesn't vary and stays constant, then the magnetic fields would would weaken and maybe disappear altogether.
Unfortunately, we don't seem to have the big picture yet in terms of hard data, hence the poor visibility on our local galactic neighbourhood (ie how our Solar system is electrically connected to it's environment). There is no "map" as far as I know.


We do have a pretty good map, where we can even zoom in on our location.
The big picture http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/lchimney.jpg is that we are in the local chimney.. We can zoom in more, http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//ful ... 0.000.html
,in figure 2, and see right where the sun is in the cross section of the chimney. Finally, we can zoom in on the figure 2 where it shows the local cloud, and see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Local ... arrows.jpg

The key to understanding it is here: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TITjUD1d-_E/U ... terman.jpg
It looks like the sun is near the pinch in the local chimney, which should be right where we have theses toroidal currents. In figure 2 of the second link, it looks like they've actually mapped one the toroidal spirals near the sun. They say that they are seeing just a protruding in to the local bubble/chimney, but that is where the third picture comes in. You be the judge of whether local clouds are "protruding" into the bubble, or spiraling around it.
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Re: More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby justcurious » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:20 pm

Thanks celeste, I know you have been investigating this quite a bit as per some of the other threads.
I still find it a bit difficult to visualize. in our local galactic neighbourhood, would you say the Sun is moving up/down or moving sideways? Up/down being along it's axis of rotation ie north/south pole. The local chimney I presume means the area in between star clusters and dust clouds? My understanding is that magnetic fields in outer space can be detected and measured due to their effect on the polarization of light. If we had a sort of "magnetic map", that could tell us a lot about the electric currents which would cause these magnetic fields, and give a clearer picture of how our Sun and solar system connects electrically to its environment, and perhaps give us insight related to the Solar magnetic flip anomaly and perhaps even shed some light on how the Sun end up with two north poles for a few weeks. I found the links and resources you provided are a bit hard to comprehend, would it be easy to summarize?
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Re: More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby celeste » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:06 am

justcurious, If you take the picture in the upper left here http://www.squatterman.com/images/squat ... glyphs.jpg ,and tilt it a little to the left, it should look a lot like this http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/lchimney.jpg
The fact that we have a stream of stars moving down the chimney axis, and that there is a circle of hot blue stars (Gould Belt) surrounding the sun and running perpendicular to the chimney axis, tells us we do in fact have the currents right where we need to see them.
Notice that while the torus cross section is more clearly defined on the right side of the chimney axis, it's actually correctly labeled on the left. Taurus=torus
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Re: More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby pavlink » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:11 am

celeste, the enormous structure that you consider, hundreds of light years across, would affect more than just the Sun.
Any significant change into solar system would be accompanied by similar changes in the neighboring star systems.
Can you provide such confirmations?

It is generally accepted that majority of the stars are double or multiple systems.*
Therefore to regard the Sun as a single star is making it special case.
Before accepting that, we need to do thorough and deep consideration of partner hypothesis.

Lets develop and study "electrical double star" model.
In any case that is relevant to majority of the stars.
It is just logical for the EU to expand in this field.

Than to check if that new knowledge is pertinent to solar system, present and history.
And if it will answer our questions about the dramatic solar system/earth changes driving force.


* At one moment in the past it was even expected that all stars are ( at least ) doubles
We live in a double star system.
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Re: More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby justcurious » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:24 am

Pavlink: If the Sun is a binary system, then where is the other star?
Is precession of the equinoxes the only justification for a binary star system?
I would assume the "sister star" would be in close proximity, or does your theory allow other stars to be in between the two binary stars? I was under the impression that binary star systems are very common, but not the rule.
celeste: Thanks for the clarifications, I think I'm getting a better picture now. The "chimney" terminology has been confusing me.
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Re: More unexpected solar behaviour

Unread postby pavlink » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:36 am

justcurious wrote:If the Sun is a binary system, then where is the other star?

curious, we have great candidate, indeed.
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14503

justcurious wrote:Is precession of the equinoxes the only justification for a binary star system?

In order to qualify as EU theory we need to match our observations with double star electrical interactions.

justcurious wrote:I would assume the "sister star" would be in close proximity, or does your theory allow other stars to be in between the two binary stars?

Third star in a system will make it a triple star system.
Lets focus on double stars first.
In case we are successful the solution could be extended to multiple star systems later.

The proposed model is defined by the electrical properties of the stars.

Consider the region of space dominated by the Star, a sort of bubble of charged particles in the space surrounding the planetary system. In case of the Sun and Solar System that is the heliosphere.
Since a capacitor is used to accumulate and store electric charge we will model the star with a (spherical) capacitor.
Capacitors are usually made of two conductors separated by an insulating medium, or dielectric insulator.
In our case one plate is the star and the other plate the star-sphere (heliosphere).

The distance between the star's spheres we will model with a resistor.
Elliptic orbit will be modeled by the variability of the resistor.

Electrical force the stars extract from the energy field will be modeled by the voltage source.

Both energy extraction and distance are functions of stars movement.
Therefore the resistor variability and the voltage source will be driven by sinusoidal 1 Hz function.

Here is the Equivalent electrical circuit of a double star system ( CRC ).
http://files.kostovi.com/MATLAB.pdf

Symulation results, voltage change over the main star-sphere is shown. ( Great cycle, 12,5 Т ).
http://files.kostovi.com/z22.pdf
http://files.kostovi.com/z9_5.pdf
The voltage over the secondary star-sphere has the same appearance but different amplitude.
The difference in amplitude is proportional to the difference of the capacitances.

Different star voltage will create different discharge characteristics.
That will be visible to external observer as different color of the star.

The Star's color as a key to the grand cycle phase ( white Sun ).
http://files.kostovi.com/8835.jpg

Therefore, we have identified double stars movement as driving force of the long term cyclical variability.
Reason for *:
The shrinking Betelgeuse.
Sirius changing its color from red to blue.

Star cyclical changes determine planets cyclical changes too *.
Recent ( last 6 000 years ) dimming of Saturn.
End of earth ice age 12,000 years ago.
Accompanied by the destruction ( due to peak current ) of the previous planet wide civilization.
Another planet wide destruction through heat ( survivors living underground ) 6000 years ago, the beginning of the historical period.



* List is indicative not exhaustive
We live in a double star system.
We need to study double star systems.

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