A stream of atomic hydrogen coming from the sun

[rcglinsk]

New fun stuff from NASA:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008 ... rprise.htm

NASA's twin STEREO spacecraft made the discovery: "It was a burst of hydrogen atoms," says Mewaldt. "No other elements were present, not even helium (the sun's second most abundant atomic species). Pure hydrogen streamed past the spacecraft for a full 90 minutes."

Next came more than 30 minutes of quiet. The burst subsided and STEREO's particle counters returned to low levels. The event seemed to be over when a second wave of particles enveloped the spacecraft. These were the "broken atoms" that flares are supposed to produce—protons and heavier ions such as helium, oxygen and iron. "Better late than never," he says.

Any thoughts?

[Total Science]

LOL @ gravity and fixed size Earth.

[FS3]

Negative Compton Scattering might be an answer, indeed - but what puzzles me more is the question how those Hydrogen-ATOMS (not Ions, although) were accelerated at all. It could be possible that a secundary "Alfvén wave" - propagating through the plasma - has taken those H-pack with it - similar to a surfer riding on a wave...

Just my 2,1618 cs...


FS3

[junglelord]

There must be a Harmonic Resonace relationship to the effect of specific Atomic Acceleration via EM Fields.


Alfven Waves will come in different frequencies.....for a wave of just Hydrogen atoms to arrive indicates a harmonic fundamental that was occuring with the atoms and the wave they ride.


Hydrogens Magnetic Moment would be the harmonic relationship I would imagine.

[rcglinsk]

I had a thought. Imagine a smoke ring traveling through the air. Now imagine a dual layer shaped as a doughnut with some hydrogen trapped on the inside. Could a dual layer doughnut carrying hydrogen and traveling like a smoke ring account for this data?

[junglelord]

All Alfven Waves are Longitudinal Scalar Waves, which means they are a Soliton, and a smoke ring is a soliton...which means a Alfven Waves does work that way. Excellent. However beyond the mechanical resonance it also requires a harmonic resonance with the magnetic moment of the hydrogen I imagine to have only hydrogen. Either that or only Hydrogen was at the source of the Soliton. Maybe both. Definitely Magnetic Resonance IMO.

[rcglinsk]

All Alfven Waves are Longitudinal Scalar Waves, which means they are a Soliton, and a smoke ring is a soliton...which means a Alfven Waves does work that way. Excellent. However beyond the mechanical resonance it also requires a harmonic resonance with the magnetic moment of the hydrogen I imagine to have only hydrogen. Either that or only Hydrogen was at the source of the Soliton. Maybe both. Definitely Magnetic Resonance IMO.

Never mind my last post if you saw it. That makes sense I think. The hydrogens float like little magnets right? And the harmony is that there is a particular dipole for atomic hydrogen and that means only certain resonances can happen?

[junglelord]

Yes I would think that the E Field dipole and Nuclear Magnetic Resonance of the system is Harmonicly coupled to the hydrogen. All atoms are little magnets.

[earls]

FS3, the neutral hydrogen maintained momentum from originally being ejected as a large group of ions that recombined and neutralized. Those ions that did not neutralized also arrived at the detector, but later, after the neutral hydrogen, as they were under the influence of the sun's magnetic field.

[junglelord]

That is not proven, that was their guess. The Hydrogen may have been ejected and carried as hydrogen 100% of the way.
The recombination while tenuable is not necessary. The sun after all is hydrogen. They admit this may not be a special case and may in fact be common....
YOU THINK SO?

NASA.

[GaryN]

JL posted:

The sun after all is hydrogen.

I would have to agree with Earls on this one, as that would agree with my mental picture of the hot electron/proton soup bursting its confinement shell. Atomic hydrogen only exists after leaving the Sun.

[rcglinsk]

JL posted:

The sun after all is hydrogen.

I would have to agree with Earls on this one, as that would agree with my mental picture of the hot electron/proton soup bursting its confinement shell. Atomic hydrogen only exists after leaving the Sun.

Sorry to throw around buzzwords, but if the right kind of mechanical motion combines with the right harmony of EM fields with the dipole of the hydrogen atom, might the smoke ring or whatever spontaneously arise like the larger atom on the surface of a catalyst?

[earls]

Yes, rcglinsk, that's all fine and good, but what exactly is the "right kind of mechanical motion" and the "right harmony of EM fields?" And just how do they interact? How do you measure their interaction? How do you demonstrate this interaction?

In addition, I'm not quoting you, but you make the process sound subtle or calm when in fact it was a violent explosion of a electromagnetic sunspot.

"A large sunspot rounded the sun's eastern limb and with little warning it exploded."

RE: "The sun after all is hydrogen."

It's exactly as GaryN put it... "Atomic hydrogen only exists after leaving the Sun." The spectral line data gathered that indicates the Sun is made of Hydrogen does not indicate the depth at which the atomic Hydrogen is measured, only that Hydrogen (and other elements) are measured between us and the sun... However, I may be incorrect. If someone can find solid data that indicates otherwise, I would immediately recant and begin to investigate other possibilities.

It's just odd to me that NASA (of all the apparently "evil" scientific organizations) has provided clear and concise evidence and support of the Electric Universe, yet it seems everyone only wants to shift the paradigm even further into what I consider bizarre, mystical, pseudo-scientific explanations.

[rcglinsk]

Yes, rcglinsk, that's all fine and good, but what exactly is the "right kind of mechanical motion" and the "right harmony of EM fields?" And just how do they interact? How do you measure their interaction? How do you demonstrate this interaction?

In addition, I'm not quoting you, but you make the process sound subtle or calm when in fact it was a violent explosion of a electromagnetic sunspot.

"A large sunspot rounded the sun's eastern limb and with little warning it exploded."

RE: "The sun after all is hydrogen."

It's exactly as GaryN put it... "Atomic hydrogen only exists after leaving the Sun." The spectral line data gathered that indicates the Sun is made of Hydrogen does not indicate the depth at which the atomic Hydrogen is measured, only that Hydrogen (and other elements) are measured between us and the sun... However, I may be incorrect. If someone can find solid data that indicates otherwise, I would immediately recant and begin to investigate other possibilities.

It's just odd to me that NASA (of all the apparently "evil" scientific organizations) has provided clear and concise evidence and support of the Electric Universe, yet it seems everyone only wants to shift the paradigm even further into what I consider bizarre, mystical, pseudo-scientific explanations.

What strikes me as odd is how the atomic hydrogen could all be so close together. If it started out as charged particles in an electric field my intuition says the distance between everything would be increasing and that some particular reason for them to stay close together would need to exist.

[junglelord]

Not sure what is pseudo in the thread.
Soliton behaviour is what an Alfven Wave exhibts.
That is a Scalar. That indicates a Tesla viewpoint of EM which matches Plasma Physics.
Heaviside EM is the problem with things and does not support the full reach of Non Linear Behaviour of Plasma.
Calling Non Linear Physics or Tesla EM theory pseudo, if thats what your refering to,
would be improper. If your refering to something else, what was it?

The comment the sun is made of Hydrogen is intended the way you stated it.
I imagine the sun could very well be made of Iron.