Nasa Confirms Electric Sun Model?

[Solar]

The electric currents in the Sun generate a complex magnetic field with extends out into interplanetary space to form the interplanetary magnetic field. As the Sun's magnetic field is carried out through the solar system by the solar wind, the Sun is rotating. Its rotation winds up the magnetic field into a large rotating spiral, known as the Parker spiral, named after the scientist who first described it. Cosmicopia

This announcement must be from a very small office down a long dark forgotten hallway in one of NASA's numerous buildings somewhere. Makes one wonder what all the fuss over EU/PC is for if they've already recognized this.

[saturnine]

I noticed that the other day as well. I don't think they're quite ready to say electricity powers the sun though. But they do acknowledge electric currents as the source of the sun's magnetic field. Baby steps.

[substance]

I don`t get it, when did they leave the dynamo model?

[robinson]

It is most interesting.

[earls]

In addition, acknowledgments of plasma tails on comets in media?!?

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/10/the_sun.html

"NASA's STEREO satellite captured the first images ever of a collision between a solar "hurricane", called a coronal mass ejection (CME), and a comet on April 4, 2007. The collision caused the complete detachment of the comet's plasma tail. Comets are icy leftovers from the solar system's formation billions of years ago. They usually hang out in the cold, distant regions of the solar system, but occasionally a gravitational tug from a planet, another comet, or even a nearby star sends them into the inner solar system. Once there, the sun's heat and radiation vaporizes gas and dust from the comet, forming its tail. Comets typically have two tails, one made of dust and a fainter one made of electrically conducting gas, called plasma. (NASA/STEREO) #"

[nick c]

Really not much progress at all. This is still an internal dynamo based article. While they are acknowledging that the magnetic field is created by electric currents, they place those currents within the sun, created by, an implied, hidden from view dynamo. An external power source for the sun (stars) is not considered.
Also, on the comet article, note the use of euphemisms rather than identifying electrical phenomena...

collisions between a solar hurricane.
highlights added

And the adherance to standard theories not accepted by the EU.
Nebular Hypothesis:

Comets are icy leftovers from the solar system's formation billions of years ago.

and that the sun's heat forms comet tails:

the sun's heat and radiation vaporizes gas and dust from the comet, forming its tail.

I guess that one could take some satisfaction out of the use of the phrase-

electrically conducting gas, called plasma.

as this is an admission that plasmas conduct electric currents, but there is a long way to go. I see this type of thing as an adjustment within the existing paradigm, whereas the EU requires a new paradigm.

nick c

[Solar]

I did note the characterization of electric currents originating "in" the sun in this blurb. I'd really be interested to know what probes were used, what data was gathered, and what papers were written that aided in their conclusion because they didn't simply make it up. It is odd how articles swerve back into, or never leave, the old paradigm accompanied with a small mention of electricity and plasma.

[junglelord]

If there are electric currents within, there are electric without, for each have magnetic fields.
DOOH!

[MGmirkin]

I don't get it, when did they leave the dynamo model?

Well, from my understanding the "dynamo" model recognizes electricity as relating to magnetic fields, but seems in the dark about "where the magnetic fields came from."

IE, they seem to have put in the magnetic fields as being of primary importance to "spin up" the currents necessary for the larger/largest magnetic fields (IE, you put a permanent magnet in a coil of wire or other conductor and spin it the right way and you get a current out of the wire / conductor; they seem to have applied this notion as a "starter" for a dynamo). As somewhat noted in the thread I started last week:

(Sun's Magnetic Field Has A Good Memory? Is That A Problem?)
http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... f=3&t=1078

Fluids conducting electricity under the sun's surface generate the magnetic field, Neugebauer explained, and the field's apparent memory is most likely caused by a structure and process occurring deeper inside the sun than previously believed.

"There may be something asymmetric about the sun's interior, perhaps a deep-seated lump of old magnetic field," she said.

What EXACTLY is a "lump of old magnetic field," as thought magnetic fields in plasma can be sustained indefinitely without input current... Are they saying the plasma deep within the sun is a permanent magnet? If so, how so? If not, where do they think the magnetic field came from?

I've also heard of "seed magnetic fields" with reference to dynamo models and some stellar / galactic structures. But what PRECISELY is a "seed magnetic field" and where did it come from? Is not a current required by definition? Where would said current have come from?

Seems they're trying to do the same thing with the "lump of old magnetic field" they've posited "somewhere deep within the sun." Where did the lump of magnetic field come from? If it's a permanent magnet, then what magnetized it to begin with? Seems like an electric current would have to be the original progenitor of a magnetic field somewhere in the history of the magnetic fields we see today (if they're from permanent magnets; if not, then a current is required in general).

The whole thing seems to hinge on where the currents in the sun come from. By what process do they start, transform or stop. If there's some mysterious "magnetic" force driving a "dynamo" deep within the star, where did that magnetic field come from? What sustains it or what created it to begin with?

They seem to want to place the genesis of the magnetic fields internal to the star as an isolated body in space. We seem to want to place the origin of the magnetic fields with currents flowing in from outside.

Cheers,
~Michael Gmirkin

[Solar]

"We're trying to understand how magnetic fields are generated in the Sun, the planets and the stars," said Neugebauer. "A better understanding of how the Sun generates its magnetic field will help us better understand the solar wind and space weather."

Fluids conducting electricity under the Sun's surface generate the magnetic field, Neugebauer explained, and the field's apparent memory is most likely caused by a structure and process occurring deeper inside the Sun than previously believed. "There may be something asymmetric about the Sun's interior, perhaps a deep-seated lump of old magnetic field," she said.

Maybe it's me(?) but this is one of the most unsual statements ever. It seems to be some sort of red herring. How is it that one starts by saying that they're "trying to understand" - which indicates that they don't understand - the assumption that "magnetic fields are generated in the Sun, the planets and the stars...", then, in the very next breath provide an answer - "Fluids conducting electricity under the Sun's surface generate the magnetic field..." - to that which they initially indicated that they didn't understand??

Only to further propose that "a deep-seated lump " of what they initially don't understand the cause of; is again the cause. It's like an exponential order of magnitude of deminishing return.

One thing that I find interestingly odd is that though NASA finds that electric currents in [one could posit on] the Sun generate a complex magnetic field" no further electric/plasma "scenarios" accompany this find as one finds with the inferences of black holes, dark amtter, dark energy, unicorns and all that stuff. How is it that astrophysics and astronomy pour more money and thought effort into the mere inferences of a gravity only cosmology as opposed to the verified data that resulted in this admission? That is strange.

[sjw40364]

I have a question about the CME and the comet. If they did collide, would not the temperature of the CME basically vaporize a ball of ice?

[Oracle_911]

I have a question about the CME and the comet. If they did collide, would not the temperature of the CME basically vaporize a ball of ice?

Well, in EU comets arn`t ball of ice, they are pieces of rock, and yes it would vaporize the ice.

[sjw40364]

I have a question about the CME and the comet. If they did collide, would not the temperature of the CME basically vaporize a ball of ice?

Well, in EU comets arn`t ball of ice, they are pieces of rock, and yes it would vaporize the ice.

True, but in the current cosmology they are basically balls of ice and dust, yet no mention was made of how such an object would survive this collision. It's almost as if they deliberately forget what they say things are with every new press release. I don't think it's that they do not know the electricity comes from "outside" the Sun, but they are trying to slowly incorporate electricity into their collapsing model before it gets to the point where they loose what little credibility they have left. These are not stupid people that are in charge, they do indeed know what is going on and are slowly trying to salvage their reputations after years of denial. I expect that over the next 5 years they will slowly admit to electrical forces, while still keeping it an internal mechanism, and then when that is accepted by an unknowing public they will slowly discover an outside connection. This way they can slowly convince the average person that they thought this was the correct view all along, but could not deviate until they could verify it. I then suspect that these scientists that "discover" the link will get the credit while those that have supported it for years will never get a mention in the press. They will then blame the outmoded ideas to those that are gone and so try to shift blame. Does anybody here really believe that they are so stupid they do not know how the EU is catching on with the public? Before the internet they could easily silence dissenters, but I see people asking questions in the forums all the time about electrical interactions in space. I expect black holes will soon be the energy source behind Birkeland currents and most electrical activity will be twisted to fit the BB model. Dark Matter and Dark Energy will slowly evolve into charged plasma caused by said Black holes, and the average person who understands little about cosmology will never know the difference and funding will still flow. Do I see a conspiracy? You bet I do, but to assume they are complete idiots as to what is actually happening is even worse. They did not get to their present positions of power for being stupid. It is all about reputations and money, and I am sure they have a plan to salvage both.

[flippinrocks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQAJxvB-C5M

NASA EXPERIMENT PARTICLE PHYSICS ON ISS

[Oracle_911]

They did not get to their present positions of power for being stupid. It is all about reputations and money, and I am sure they have a plan to salvage both.

And they will lose all of it whatever will they do. The reason is simple, most cosmologist are from USA and living there and USA is economically in deep shit. Soon (maybe this year or in 1st quarter of next) will USA collapse, everybody will have another problems then preserving positions or power (i mean normal people, not the government).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQAJxvB-C5M

NASA EXPERIMENT PARTICLE PHYSICS ON ISS

Well grate video. So i must say few things:
1) i think electrons & protons as particle are artifacts
2) they don`t find dark matter, dark energy or Higgs boson no matter what
3) radiation can cause evolution jumps (DNA recoded by frequency)