Assembling the Solar System

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Assembling the Solar System

Unread postby davesmith_au » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:23 am

October 23, 2008 ~ Wallace Thornhill

Given the vast, empty distances between stars, it seems sensible to assume that the Sun and its family of planets were born together. Scientists take for granted that gravity is the only force operating in the universe to cause matter to coalesce to form stars and planets. Astronomers observe dusty disks around some nearby stars and assume that those disks are the ‘leftovers’ of matter that formed the star. The observations appear to confirm the accepted story of the planets forming from collisions and accretion of matter in the proto-solar disk.

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Re: Assembling the Solar System

Unread postby johnmark7 » Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:13 pm

The scenario described is fascinating, of course, but I'm wondering if there is any kind of timeline in it?

I would love to see an animation of the process Thornhill describes along with the number of years the process would take because the idea that megafauna and megaflora are destroyed by catastrophe, and then during the transition of capture by the sun where Earth trails its brown dwarf and humankind eventually develops, and then lastly, humans in historic times witnessed further plasma events or enormous magnitude strains credulity that anything could survive such prolonged assault by electric forces and such.

It's not that I don't believe it could have happened but that it needs to be illustrated as to how any life on this planet could have endured such events spread over millions of years.

If things happened as Thornhill describes then, with a bow to the Anthropic principle, only Providence could have prevailed to save earth and life and propel it into an age of mammals and humans. The odds are beyond astronomic for human life to arise.
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Re: Assembling the Solar System

Unread postby moses » Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:00 pm

Personally, I see the interaction of an approaching dwarf with the Sun
dominated by a polar current between and through the two bodies, plus
an electrical repulsion because the two bodies would both be of the same
charge. The polar current being controlled by Birkeland current laws
which would tend to keep the bodies from separating, whilst the same
charge of the bodies would decelerate the approaching dwarf.

So I could not agree more that humans could not have survived such an
event, because the polar current would have got very powerful, in fact
strong enough to distort and elongate the incoming dwarf and cause it to
split into two pretty equal bodies. This would explain the similarities of
Jupiter and Saturn as well as Uranus and Neptune. Also the region between
the splitting dwarf could well be the logical place for the formation of
planets like the Earth.

Thus I see these capture events happening a long time ago and the Jupiter
Saturn pair close together, with some planets in between, orbitting the
Sun for ages. Then some event caused the pair to separate into their
present positions, whilst some of the planets in between, like Earth
and Mars, escaped and headed off in elliptical orbits around the Sun.

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