Does the Moon Rotate?

[GaryN]

@ohn666

Namely the moonlight cannot be reflected sunlight.

Absolutely.

Two reasons for that:

Only one reason really, the Sun emits no visible light to be reflected!

Last night we had an unusually clear sky, and the bright Moon was up. I could see very well with no outside lights on, and looking at a handy spray can with different size letters on it, I could easily read the letters down to the bold, 1/4 inch high ones. One of those nights you could easily drive without headlights.
So I was wondering how much brighter it would be on the Moon with a full disk Earth in the night sky, given its size and albedo. By NASAs calculations there would be 67 times more light, but as no direct measurements of light levels were taken on the Moon, we don't know if their calculations are correct. Similarly, no measurement of the Moons brightness has been taken from outside of Earths atmosphere, so we don't know how much of the Moonlight we see is generated by Earths atmosphere.

[john666]

Actually, if the Moon is a sphere orbiting the Earth and the Earth/Moon system in turn orbits the Sun, then that is exactly what you should see. At first and last quarter the Moon is at a 90 degree angle with the Sun, to an Earth bound observer. The terminator should appear straight. It is not only explainable, it is expected if the Moon is reflecting light. (The sharpness of the terminator is because the Moon has no atmosphere to speak of.)

Let me guess something;

You cannot show a single photograph of reflected light that backs up this statement of yours, can you nick?
And of course, you are going to make excuses, as to why you cannot show this photograph, wont you nick?

On the contrary, I often observe the Moon through telescopes and have met many lunar observers, more than I can count, and not one ever denied shadows on the Moon. In fact all would agree that is how you see features at or near the terminator, where the shadows are the longest. When looking at the Moon through a small telescope one can see the shadows change over the course of the evening.
John, the "nonsense" is coming from your end.

Please answer, what exactly is it that you think you are seeing? and what is your agenda?

I have observed the moon through binoculars, and I don't believe you.

What we see is Electrical Moon producing its own light.

[john666]

Only one reason really, the Sun emits no visible light to be reflected!

Well, that is another big question, what is the Sun?
Maybe even better one would be, what is the Sun disk?

I observe that the Sun disk and the Moon are of the same size, that they have the same movement across the sky at opposite seasons(at least at the 45th parallel north), that they get equally bigger as they get closer to the horizon, and equally redder as they get closer to the horizon.

My take on it, is that maybe the Moon is a real object, while the Sun disk is focused light.
Maybe the Moon acts as a some sort of lens, that makes possible the appearance of the Sun disk.

This is not my definitive opinion, but at the very least one has to take a new look at all the similarities between the Sun disk and the Moon.

Last night we had an unusually clear sky, and the bright Moon was up. I could see very well with no outside lights on, and looking at a handy spray can with different size letters on it, I could easily read the letters down to the bold, 1/4 inch high ones. One of those nights you could easily drive without headlights.

On the intuitive basis, that is one more reason why I don't believe that moonlight is reflected light.
It doesn't feel like reflected light.

[nick c]

You cannot show a single photograph of reflected light that backs up this statement of yours, can you nick?
And of course, you are going to make excuses, as to why you cannot show this photograph, wont you nick?

Here is a photograph of a simulation using models of how the Moon and planets go through phases.
from:
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-7578342 ... phase.html

simulation of planetary/lunar phases

I have observed the moon through binoculars, and I don't believe you.

What we see is Electrical Moon producing its own light.

If the Moon were shining by it's own light then it would not show phases as seen from Earth.

What do you "believe?"
Do you think that humans have gone to the Moon? and regularly send space probes through out the solar system?
Why is it that no scientists, NASA, ESA, etc. etc. has noticed that Moon shines by it's own light?

[webolife]

John666,
I'd really like to know what your underlying agenda is... I used to think you were a troll, but now I find your misconception is so persistent that it boggles the mind...
http://www.earthlearningidea.com/PDF/15 ... e_moon.pdf
Like the photograph Nick produced, this site, including photos, describes a demonstration you can/should easily perform at your desk. All images were taken with the observer standing in the same spot and fixed light source, while the polystyrene ball was revolved around the observer into different positions with respect to the source, simulating the moon's phases.
Not only are shadows visible and lengthening near the terminator, but in the early 17th Century, Galileo Galilee was able to use simple shadow geometry to prove that some of the mountainous peaks he observed were raised ~10 miles from the surrounding lunar plain, double any earthly ranges. The Dominicans who opposed him were, like you, unable to trust their own eyes [what they observed through Galileo's telescope].

[Zyxzevn]

I am not sure, but some of the light from the moon might be similar to blacklight.
That means that ultraviolet light from the sun is converted to visible light when reflected off the moon.
This makes the moon seem brighter (and in a different colour), than just the reflected visible sun-light.

[webolife]

Interesting point, however, here is the extreme UV version of the lunar first quarter, which gives pretty much the same appearance as reflected white light. The earth does backlight the moon's surface but, except for the near-new crescent phases not enough to be seen through the blue sky glare that bothers John666 so much.

Just as in white light, the EUV reflects more brightly at the limb than at the terminator, as expected.

[webolife]

John666,
The Apollo astronauts took videos of the lunar surface, both near and far regions, as they orbited the moon back in the 60's. Did you never watch these, or are you an adherent to the fake-lunar-landing-conspiracy scam?
Here's a couple clips, where you can actually see the shadows lengthening as they approach the terminator.
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video ... /146187363

[Brigit Bara]

@webolife

I was going on the moon one day...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKXCiPiVGmg
I was taken by surprise
by a pair of rover eyyyes

Buzz at 70.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcrkxOgzhU
Still quite a right hook! (:

[Dur: 20 sec and 30 sec]

[webolife]

[jacmac]

Thanks Brigit, that put a smile on my face !

[webolife]

Those videos are linked to other videos put together by fake-moon-landing and fake-space-walk cultists.
It's quite amazing what lengths these guys will go to misinterpret solid factual data for their own purposes...
In one pair of shots, they suggest that the lunar lander was set like a prop into a picture where there was simply an astronaut standing in the other similarly angled shot. You can actually observe with no special aids [such as a magnifying glass] that the lander is in the background over a small rise, and that the two shots are made from a slightly different distance at the same angle. Yet they claim it is a fake!
Wow.

[john666]

Here is a photograph of a simulation using models of how the Moon and planets go through phases.
from:
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-7578342 ... phase.html

stock-photo-model-of-lighting-effect-on-planet-moon-phase-75783427.jpg

simulation using models

You cannot show a photograph of the phenomena I asked you, because what you believe about the behavior of reflected light, is physically impossible and therefore cannot be shown in a photograph(or in real life).

[john666]

A question for BELIEVERS in the mainstream theories about the Moon;

Is the fact that the Sun disk and the Moon are of the same size when viewed from the Earth, a coincidence, or a part of a cosmic intelligent design?

[webolife]

John666,
What nick c and I showed you are photographs of real spherical objects reflecting light. You disbelieve them by choice, not because they don't represent real life. In fact, your stringent disbelief in what lies before you in plain sight belies your allusion to either intelligence or design.