NASA moon capsule running late, full of problems

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: NASA moon capsule running late, full of problems

Unread post by bdw000 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:51 am

I pulled a book off the shelf from 1994, a self-published book called:

NASA Mooned America! by Rene

I highly recommend the book (if you could ever find a copy), though I found one error, and there are probably more. That does not detract form much of the material in the book.

Chapter 15 is about radiation.

He is using a book "Astronautical Engineering" to come up with some figures, as well as some other books. I cannot know if the author is quoting figures correctly, or if he knows how to read the data in that engineering book. But here's what he says.

Intermediate solar flares need 18 cm of water to reduce the radiation down to 25 (half a rem per year is the maximum recommended dose for humans. Doses of 300 rems and up and people start dying).

Solar flares that produce protons can give a radiation dose of hundreds of thousands of rem for several hours at the distance of the earth. Death is likely after 500 rems in any short time.

Most of the Apollo missions experienced more than 100 solar flares each, some more than 200. The strength of all those flares varied. But even one serious flare is enough to fry unprotected humans.

NASA's claim (according to the author) is that the space suits can block particles with an energy level of billions of electron volts.

To be honest, I cannot claim to "know" everything needed to know if NASA is playing games with radiation. Maybe the suits CAN protect the astronauts.

But things do look a bit fishy here. The problem is that we need the OTHER side of the argument. One side of an argument always sounds convincing. But my previous post about NASA's press release is suspicious. That press release definitely implies that they do not yet have the means to protect astronauts from radiation. Perhaps the press release was very poorly written, by someone who does not know what they are writing about?

BTW, in the book NASA Mooned America, the author claims (I do not have the book yet) that in the book "Carrying the Fire" by MIchael Collinns, they took a photo of someone in a space suit in a airplane doing a zero-g loop, and then manipulated that photo to produce an astronaout supposedly on a spacewalk. They blacked out the backround, and flipped it around (mirror image). All this for Gemini 10, three years BEFORE Apollo. Very convincing (again, I do not have the book).

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Re: NASA moon capsule running late, full of problems

Unread post by nick c » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:06 pm

I personally am not at all convinced that there is any substantial evidence of a lunar hoax. I am not a Nasa groupie, and I feel that distrust of any government or government agency is a healthy thing.
I keep an open mind, on this issue...as well as UFO's, astrology, and other conspiracy theories. We need to be objective in evaluating evidence as well as counter points.


Lunar Hoax rebuttal:
[url2=http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm]Did we land on the Moon[/url2]

[url2=http://www.braeunig.us/space/69-19.htm]Radiation Plan for Apollo Moon Mission[/url2]

[url2=http://www.wwheaton.com/waw/mad/mad19.html]The Van Allen Belts and Travel to the Moon[/url2]


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Re: NASA moon capsule running late, full of problems

Unread post by junglelord » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:23 pm

I have no idea what is going on here, but this is a letter in support of Edgar Mitchell's disclosure last week. Its from a NASA missions specialist and he has quite amazing things to say.....seems unbelieveable. The Space Shuttle quaters look really cramped, but another flight specialist of his said one was in the crew compartment, He must have been bent in half, 9 foot tall alien....
:lol:

Of course in the bible the Watchers were giants, came from heaven and taught man the science of math, stars, agriculture, architecture, metalurgy.
In SUPPORT of MY FRIEND, Courageous, US NASA ASTRONAUT, Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14!

I, Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet, personally observed an 8 to 9 foot tall ET on my 27 inch video monitors while on duty in the Kennedy Space Center, Launch Control Center (LCC). The ET was standing upright in the Space Shuttle Payload Bay having a discussion with TWO tethered US NASA Astronauts! I also observed on my monitors, the spacecraft of the ET as it was in a stabilized, safe orbit to the rear of the Space Shuttle main engine pods. I observed this incident for about one minute and seven seconds. Plenty of time to memorize all that I was observing. IT WAS AN ET and Alien Star Ship!

A friend of mine later contacted me and said that this person had also observed an 8 to 9 foot tall ET INSIDE the SPACE SHUTTLE CREW COMPARTMENT! Yes, inside OUR Shuttle! BOTH missions were DoD (Pentagon) TOP SECRET (TS) encounters!

With my verifiable background, there is no Federal Government Agency that can say I am crazy!

I am a SPACE PROGRAM PIONEER. I assisted in launching the Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Apollo-Soyuz, Skylab, Space Shuttle, Deep Space Missions, and the International Space Station.

I have received character substantiation from: Walter Cronkite, Major Donald
Keyhoe, NICAP Director, Richard Hall, Assistant Director of NICAP, Astronomer, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, etc. I served as the Assistant State of Florida and KSC Director of MUFON, the Director of the NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) at Cape Canaveral and KSC! I have received honored mentions from US Senators, Congressman, Military Officers and Scientists. (See my website site below for more exciting disclosures)

In fact, this absolutely verifies what my friend, Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, of Apollo 14, has recently and courageously released!

I have launched or witnessed 650 missions, so far in my life!

I am an expert in visually recognizing any crafts created and flown by the human race, whether secret or otherwise!I know an ET and Alien craft when I see them!

I was the Director of the NICAP Unit-3 actual X-Files at Cape Canaveral and the Kennedy Space Center, 1958 to 1992! YES, the ACTUAL X-FILES!! Aliens ARE HERE!! They walk among US! They may be implanted into OUR various earth governments!!

What I know, they would NOT allow me to publish! I have written at least three books to release the TRUTH to all of the HUMAN RACE! I was on the leading edge of this subject, and I have met with many NASA and other astronauts throughout the years I have been involved in the Military, NASA Space Programs, 1958 to 1992! I have heard many experiences of ETs having been seen on the Moon, etc., by NASA Astronauts and I relate these and more in my books.

NASA is not a CIVILIAN SPACE AGENCY! The Pentagon owns NASA! Some of the DoD (Department of Defense) missions I participated in were TOP SECRET! Those missions carried TS Satellites and other space mission hardware into orbit where several crews met with ETs! I am ready to tell my story, but, for compensation,

Clark C. McClelland,
former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet,
Kennedy Space Center, Florida.
http://www.stargate-chronicles.com/rele ... chell.html
Yet if NASA is actually run by the Pentagon that would not be a public organization and may explain why they talk insanity when it comes to cosmology....
:?

I am just saying...

You know what I think?

I think that they are trying to fake us out with a false disclouse, I think they might even want to fake an alien invasion on us.

I think we have only three options.

1: CIA Propaganda
2: old senile men
3: Its all true
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Re: NASA moon capsule running late, full of problems

Unread post by GaryN » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:13 pm

Good stuff Nick C.

My conspiracy proposal would only apply to what NASA showed or told us about what they discovered.
Lunar Hoax rebuttal:
Did we land on the Moon

Radiation Plan for Apollo Moon Mission

The Van Allen Belts and Travel to the Moon


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Re: NASA moon capsule running late, full of problems

Unread post by MalOK » Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:20 am

Don't know if this holds any water because of media manipulation, but Mythbusters proved a high probability of the moon landing not being faked.
They tested whether moonsand would hold a footprint, whether the flag would wave absent a breeze, how a person would move on the moon's surface, etc.
They also went to an observatory and bouced a laser off a reflector supposedly placed on the surface by Apollo 15

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