Cool Moonlight

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Cool Moonlight

Unread postby Chai Wallah » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:51 pm

Here is something odd that I have always thought about from time to time..

One day many years ago I was reading an Andrew Jackson Davis (the Poughkeepsie seer) book

In it, he wrote something like: the light from the Sun, being magnetic in nature, heats things up on the Earth..
but that same light, when reflected from the Moon and then reaching Earth - is now electric in nature and cools thing down.

I've never gotten around to trying to get hold of a telescope, and a temp probe- So that I could focus moonlight onto, to see the result..

I know it sounds strange,, but there you go..

http://www.andrewjacksondavis.com/index.htm
"Andrew Jackson Davis, Seer and Clairvoyant of the 19th Century, was be able to enter into a higher sphere of consciousness and obtain higher spiritual and physical knowledge. He could, by entering this state, obtain future information about the sciences, including astronomy, physics, chemistry, medicine, and psychology. Many of his scientific predictions have only recently come true."



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Re: Cool Moonlight

Unread postby GaryN » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:11 pm

I know it sounds strange,, but there you go..


Here's another strange one...

According to Baird T. Spalding, in his book series "The Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East", Jesus was reported to have told of the true nature of the Sun:

"If we take the science of things, we know there is a legend told here that all the heat and light and many other natural forces are contained right within the earth itself. The sun, of itself, has no heat or light. It has potentialities that draw the heat and light from the earth. After the sun has drawn the heat and light rays from the earth, the heat rays are reflected back to the earth by the atmosphere that floats in the ether. The light rays are drawn from the earth in about the same manner and are reflected back to the earth by the ether. As the air extends only a comparatively short distance, the effect of the heat rays varies as you leave the earth's surface and ascend toward the outer limit of the atmosphere. As the air becomes less dense, there is less reflection; consequently as you ascend into the higher altitudes the heat becomes less and the cold increases. Every heat ray, as it is drawn out and reflected, drops back to the earth, where it is regenerated. When you have reached the limit of air, you have reached the limit of heat. It is the same with the light rays. They are drawn from the earth and reflected back by the ether. As this ether extends much farther from the earth than the air, the light rays extend much farther before they are all reflected. When you have reached the limit of ether, you have reached the limit of light. When you have reached the limit of heat and light, you have reached the great cold. This cold is far more solid than steel, and it presses down upon the ether and the atmosphere with almost irresistible force and holds them together."

Personally, I don't think the Sun heats the Lunar surface, but then I'm a strange one too. ;-)
Oh, and they never measured total Solar irradiance during any of the Apollo moon landings.
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Re: Cool Moonlight

Unread postby Sparky » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:17 am

The sun, of itself, has no heat or light. It has potentialities that draw the heat and light from the earth.


Which can be diagrammed with the associated "sucking vector".

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Re: Cool Moonlight

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:55 am

Which can be diagrammed with the associated "sucking vector".


Yes indeed. Maxwells aether vortices had magnetic tension, "sucking" works!
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Re: Cool Moonlight

Unread postby reyak » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:13 pm

In it, he wrote something like: the light from the Sun, being magnetic in nature, heats things up on the Earth..
but that same light, when reflected from the Moon and then reaching Earth - is now electric in nature and cools thing down.


Light from the sun is electromagnetic waves. "Heat" is just a low-energy form of electromagnetic waves.

Light from the moon is also electromagnetic, its just that the amount of light reflected is so abysmally small compared to the sun that night time is a hell of a lot colder than day time. If you focus moonlight, you would see a small increase in temperature at that point (if you want to test this, you'd have to shield the experiment from outside influences like the wind)
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Re: Cool Moonlight

Unread postby Chai Wallah » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:28 pm

reyak wrote:
If you focus moonlight, you would see a small increase in temperature at that point (if you want to test this, you'd have to shield the experiment from outside influences like the wind)


I wonder if anyone has ever tried this.
According to Davis the temperature of the focused Moonlight should decrease, not increase. That's what I have always wondered. But perhaps that was not the way Davis meant it, or that it could be measured in this way.

If I ever do get a telescope, and something such as a sensitive electronic component to focus it on . I will try and find out..

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Re: Cool Moonlight

Unread postby Sparky » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:35 pm

We can fry bugs, using a magnifying glass, focusing the sun's light, so if we used the magnifying glass with the moon's light, would it freeze the bug? :?



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Re: Cool Moonlight

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:10 pm

We can fry bugs, using a magnifying glass, focusing the sun's light, so if we used the magnifying glass with the moon's light, would it freeze the bug?


With a parabolic dish you can cool or even freeze things located at the focal point. Aim it at a clear night sky and it will radiate the heat to space. If you could sight the dish exactly on the moon, maybe there would be a detectable difference in the amount of cooling? Maybe a new and full moon would give different readings? Should be a reasonably affordable experiment, for anyone Mad enough to try it. :D
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Re: Cool Moonlight

Unread postby mague » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:07 am

Chai Wallah wrote:Here is something odd that I have always thought about from time to time..

One day many years ago I was reading an Andrew Jackson Davis (the Poughkeepsie seer) book

In it, he wrote something like: the light from the Sun, being magnetic in nature, heats things up on the Earth..
but that same light, when reflected from the Moon and then reaching Earth - is now electric in nature and cools thing down.

I've never gotten around to trying to get hold of a telescope, and a temp probe- So that I could focus moonlight onto, to see the result..

I know it sounds strange,, but there you go..

http://www.andrewjacksondavis.com/index.htm
"Andrew Jackson Davis, Seer and Clairvoyant of the 19th Century, was be able to enter into a higher sphere of consciousness and obtain higher spiritual and physical knowledge. He could, by entering this state, obtain future information about the sciences, including astronomy, physics, chemistry, medicine, and psychology. Many of his scientific predictions have only recently come true."

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You should put him in context to his contemporaries Lord Kelvin and Peltier. Then it makes much more sense.
For example Kelvin on Thermoelectric Currents

The temperatures of two bodies are proportional to the quantities of heat respectively taken in and given out in localities at one temperature and at the other, respectively, by a material system subjected to a complete cycle of perfectly reversible thermo-dynamic operations, and not allowed to part with or take in heat at any other temperature: or, the absolute values of two temperatures are to one another in the proportion of the heat taken in to the heat rejected in a perfect thermo-dynamic engine working with a source and refrigerator at the higher and lower of the temperatures respectively.
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