The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by Michal Z » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:37 pm

Hi Jeffrey,

Thanks for sharing your discovery and for your efforts in developing and promoting this theory. I came to a similar realization this June, that a planet begins as a star. I've read through this thread and your papers the past month. While there are a few items I'm not in agreement with, I think this is by far the most plausible theory of planet formation.

My biggest problem with your writings is the semantics. When you say "a star is a planet" it makes about as much sense as saying "a child is an adult". The nouns "star" and "planet" make a useful distinction as to the stage of the body's evolution - blurring this distinction only serves to confuse things and hampers communication.

"An adult is an old child", "A child is a new adult" - sounds absurd, no?

Perhaps what we need is a word which encompasses "star" and "planet", the same way that the word "human" encompasses both "child" and "adult".

I propose a new word - well, a rather old word: Astron
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ἄστρον#Ancient_Greek
Noun
ἄστρον • ‎(ástron) (genitive ἄστρου); n, second declension
1. A celestial body:
1. fixed star
2. planet
...
astron (n.) a celestial body which begins as a star and evolves into a planet or moon
"a star is a young astron" "a planet is an ancient astron" "stars and planets are different stages of an astron's evolution."

This allows us to make more precise definitions, without resorting to circular references.
star: the early luminous stage of an astron's evolution
planet: the later non-luminous stages of an astron's evolution

This frees up phrases like "old star" - it can now be used to describe a brown dwarf. "Young planet" can be used to describe gas giants. Less conflict with existing definitions, more specific new definitions.

I do believe that clarity and precision in the language facilitates understanding and acceptance of the theory.

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by D_Archer » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:29 am

Good idea to give it a new name.

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I was thinking about Jupiter and its shrinking spot and it is turning orange.

Can GTSM say when more changes will appear, how many years? It should get more yellow/brown like Saturn. Maybe with GTSM we can predict the changes, what colors there will be etc.

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Daniel
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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by JeffreyW » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:44 am

Michal Z wrote:Hi Jeffrey,

Thanks for sharing your discovery and for your efforts in developing and promoting this theory. I came to a similar realization this June, that a planet begins as a star. I've read through this thread and your papers the past month. While there are a few items I'm not in agreement with, I think this is by far the most plausible theory of planet formation.

My biggest problem with your writings is the semantics. When you say "a star is a planet" it makes about as much sense as saying "a child is an adult". The nouns "star" and "planet" make a useful distinction as to the stage of the body's evolution - blurring this distinction only serves to confuse things and hampers communication.

"An adult is an old child", "A child is a new adult" - sounds absurd, no?

Perhaps what we need is a word which encompasses "star" and "planet", the same way that the word "human" encompasses both "child" and "adult".

I propose a new word - well, a rather old word: Astron
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ἄστρον#Ancient_Greek
Noun
ἄστρον • ‎(ástron) (genitive ἄστρου); n, second declension
1. A celestial body:
1. fixed star
2. planet
...
astron (n.) a celestial body which begins as a star and evolves into a planet or moon
"a star is a young astron" "a planet is an ancient astron" "stars and planets are different stages of an astron's evolution."

This allows us to make more precise definitions, without resorting to circular references.
star: the early luminous stage of an astron's evolution
planet: the later non-luminous stages of an astron's evolution

This frees up phrases like "old star" - it can now be used to describe a brown dwarf. "Young planet" can be used to describe gas giants. Less conflict with existing definitions, more specific new definitions.

I do believe that clarity and precision in the language facilitates understanding and acceptance of the theory.
Sure, sounds good to me. I've noticed that problem as well. Write up a paper so it can be referenced in literature and dated in accordance to the insight that is being shared, it would be best to do so on vixra as they will not censor you. Thank you for the help. Feel free to make more useful connections and write them down here. I will be paying attention.
http://vixra.org/pdf/1711.0206v4.pdf The Main Book on Stellar Metamorphosis, Version 4

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by JeffreyW » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:53 am

D_Archer wrote:Good idea to give it a new name.

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I was thinking about Jupiter and its shrinking spot and it is turning orange.

Can GTSM say when more changes will appear, how many years? It should get more yellow/brown like Saturn. Maybe with GTSM we can predict the changes, what colors there will be etc.

Regards,
Daniel
I'm not too sure. There are spectrum colors and then there are colors which do not rely on a visible spectrum. A majority of the astron's being found by Kepler are much smaller and cannot be directly imaged to find their true color.
http://vixra.org/pdf/1711.0206v4.pdf The Main Book on Stellar Metamorphosis, Version 4

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by Michal Z » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:34 pm

JeffreyW wrote: Sure, sounds good to me. I've noticed that problem as well. Write up a paper so it can be referenced in literature and dated in accordance to the insight that is being shared, it would be best to do so on vixra as they will not censor you. Thank you for the help. Feel free to make more useful connections and write them down here. I will be paying attention.
Cool. I think I will do that.

Some thoughts and questions occurred to me while reading through the thread. I will probably get around to posting those.

Thanks,

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by JeffreyW » Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:17 pm

Michal Z wrote:
JeffreyW wrote: Sure, sounds good to me. I've noticed that problem as well. Write up a paper so it can be referenced in literature and dated in accordance to the insight that is being shared, it would be best to do so on vixra as they will not censor you. Thank you for the help. Feel free to make more useful connections and write them down here. I will be paying attention.
Cool. I think I will do that.

Some thoughts and questions occurred to me while reading through the thread. I will probably get around to posting those.

Thanks,
Okay. Just post the thoughts and questions as you please. There is a whole hell of a lot of stuff to do. Establishment science will never figure it out because their educations are getting in the way of their learning.

I made a short list of assumption corrections and ideas that need to be included inside of astron evolution. Here it is:

Version 3 has the most stuff:

http://vixra.org/abs/1506.0156
http://vixra.org/pdf/1711.0206v4.pdf The Main Book on Stellar Metamorphosis, Version 4

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by Michal Z » Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:50 pm

Here we are:
Star and Planet: Stages of Astron Evolution
http://vixra.org/abs/1510.0381

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by JeffreyW » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:17 am

Michal Z wrote:Here we are:
Star and Planet: Stages of Astron Evolution
http://vixra.org/abs/1510.0381

Ha! You did it! Looks good to me.
http://vixra.org/pdf/1711.0206v4.pdf The Main Book on Stellar Metamorphosis, Version 4

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by Michal Z » Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:58 pm

Ok, here's a question:
I've seen your points falsifying the protoplanetary disk theory, and I agree with those, but I don't recall seeing an explanation as to why the planets in our solar system orbit in nearly the same plane. What are your thoughts on that?

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by JeffreyW » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:47 am

Michal Z wrote:Ok, here's a question:
I've seen your points falsifying the protoplanetary disk theory, and I agree with those, but I don't recall seeing an explanation as to why the planets in our solar system orbit in nearly the same plane. What are your thoughts on that?
It is just the luck of the draw. Given hundreds of billions of systems there will be millions which appear to be formed from a disk. We live in one of those. It looks like a pattern but lets be honest here, just because a pattern appears doesn't mean it has any significance. Since we have mathematicians in charge, and they hate randomness, we can expect them to force a pattern upon physical reality where there is no pattern. Not only that, but it becomes obvious they will try to downgrade objects and events which do not fit their patterns. Pluto for instance does not orbit in the same plane, what happens then? Well, Pluto is not a "planet" anymore. LOL!!
http://vixra.org/pdf/1711.0206v4.pdf The Main Book on Stellar Metamorphosis, Version 4

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by Electro » Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:45 am

Hello Jeffrey,

I'm glad to see new posts in this topic. I was just about to add a comment to bump it up and noticed new posts!

Did you read about the recent findings on comet Tchouri? Finding molecular oxygen has them wondering about our solar system's formation model. That oxygen is told to be older than the solar system...

The more they learn, the more they realize how little they actually know...

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by Electro » Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:53 am

Michal Z wrote:Ok, here's a question:
I've seen your points falsifying the protoplanetary disk theory, and I agree with those, but I don't recall seeing an explanation as to why the planets in our solar system orbit in nearly the same plane. What are your thoughts on that?
I would tend to believe that since the Sun captured the "other stars" or "planets" or "astrons" or whatever we wish to call them, while moving at 70 000 km/h through the galaxy, those objects would naturally organize in that manner, as most solar systems probably have similar patterns. A combination of gravity and momentum, I guess...

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by JeffreyW » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:57 am

Electro wrote:Hello Jeffrey,

I'm glad to see new posts in this topic. I was just about to add a comment to bump it up and noticed new posts!

Did you read about the recent findings on comet Tchouri? Finding molecular oxygen has them wondering about our solar system's formation model. That oxygen is told to be older than the solar system...

The more they learn, the more they realize how little they actually know...
I tend to ignore most of their publications. They ignore chemistry, I ignore them.

Notice if you read the article (I guarantee this part), they will NEVER mention simple concepts in chemistry such as activation energy, or bond enthalpy with regards to molecular oxygen. Chemical kinetics and thermochemistry is completely ignored by astrophysicists, and they have the balls to call themselves "physicists", while simultaneously claiming to understand how the entire universe formed? Charlatans of the first order!

I even found a post on Wikipedia in the talk section this is gooood, we can see clearly how clueless these "experts" are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Stel ... ombination

They completely ignore plasma recombination, yet that is why stars are hot! They are so full of pseudoscience that they can't even see it! We literally have to ignore them and move on.
http://vixra.org/pdf/1711.0206v4.pdf The Main Book on Stellar Metamorphosis, Version 4

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by Electro » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:12 am

JeffreyW wrote: They completely ignore plasma recombination, yet that is why stars are hot!
Exactly! Because plasma recombination is an exothermic reaction. They admit plasma in their nuclear fusion model, but they refuse to acknowledge what a plasma really is!

The following comment from Arianewiki1, where you suggest plasma recombination, is quite arrogant! :x

This is just plainly a preposterous proposition. This has absolutely nothing to do with stars or stellar evolution at all. Arianewiki1 (talk) 06:43, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


Seems they deliberately and in bad faith refuse to even consider looking into your ideas. You're a threat to them! They refuse to have to question everything they've learned. They'll never admit they could be wrong...

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Post by JeffreyW » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:08 am

Electro wrote: The following comment from Arianewiki1, where you suggest plasma recombination, is quite arrogant! :x

This is just plainly a preposterous proposition. This has absolutely nothing to do with stars or stellar evolution at all. Arianewiki1 (talk) 06:43, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


Seems they deliberately and in bad faith refuse to even consider looking into your ideas. You're a threat to them! They refuse to have to question everything they've learned. They'll never admit they could be wrong...
As long as people see the ignorance, its right out in the open now. They'll never admit they could be wrong. It would be too earth-shattering. Too much cognitive dissonance, too much stress to learn new ideas, too much stress to unlearn the wrong ones, too much money invested in failed models, too many contracts drawn up to build contraptions built on false premises, too many careers resting on false assumptions...

The only thing we can do is ignore their failure to explain nature, and start explaining it in easy to understand terms. We literally just have to forget the star fusion people ever existed as well as the big bang creationists. They are of no value anymore. (That of course will hurt thousands of careers and lots of people's feelings, guaranteed).

Plasma recombination is a phase transition. All plasma cools and becomes gas. This means all stars which are comprised of plasma will become gaseous as they cool. Young hot stars like the Sun will cool and die becoming "gas giants". This is basic knowledge and has everything to do with stellar evolution and "stars".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition
http://vixra.org/pdf/1711.0206v4.pdf The Main Book on Stellar Metamorphosis, Version 4

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