Myths & Secrets

[Lloyd]

Meanings of Myths and Symbols
* The following word associations come from Barbara Walker's book, Women's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets. These seem to me to be relevant to the TB team's efforts at myth interpretation, which led them to the Saturn Theory and EU theory.

* Here's a list of the categories, arranged according to what I consider to be likely relationships.
1. High, long, or male symbols:
MOUNTAIN .. PILLAR .. LADDER .. BABEL TOWER .. ALTAR .. APEX .. LIGHTNING .. PALM TREE .. SWORD .. OBELISK .. PHALLUS .. LINGAM .. TONGUE .. ANGEL .. CROSS .. SWASTIKA .. PYTHON .. URAEUS .. SERPENT .. CADUCEUS
2. Low, curved, or female symbols:
SHIP .. MOON .. HORNS .. BULL .. COW .. ARK OF COVENANT .. CAULDRON .. CAVE .. WELL .. FISH .. YONI .. MONS VENERIS .. TRIANGLE .. TWINS .. WHEEL .. OMPHALOS .. EYE .. OWL .. HORSESHOE .. ENTRAILS .. CHAOS .. HAIR

* Next are more detailed associations under each category.
Dashes indicate associations. Equal signs indicate equations.

MOUNTAIN - great mother - breast - belly - Mons Veneris - Paradise - Mt Everest - mother godess - Himalaya - mountains of heaven or himmel - lap of the gods - Mt Olympus - hills - queen of heaven - **snow-covered mountain > nourishment - panorama - Niobe = snowy one - Mt Sipylus - **paps of Anu - magic mountain to climb for **vision - twin peaks = breasts nourishing heaven - mother mountian's body via **road of no return - Mashu of Sumer - Macchu Picchu - Mt Meru = Sumeru = good mountain of north - mountain of Paradise to 4 rivers - Hi Haraiti = center of earth - fountain of all waters - Fujiyama - Hariti - Isis = foundation of the throne - Persian Mt Hara = pregnant belly - godess's vulva - lunar mountain - mountain cave = labyrinth to rivers of life - Mons = mountain & female genitals - artificial mountain = pyramid, ziggurat = throne of God = **womb of God = shrine - Tumulus = Stupa = **tomb - tholus tomb - dome tombs - mountain of gold, glass, crystal - glass castle - 7 heavens = 7-story mountain - underground mountain = pit or hell - land of black sun - Puy de Dome = witch mountain - elfen hill

PILLAR - obelisk - maypole - sacred tree trunk - upright cross - Shiva's lingam - sacred pillar - penis - Sthanu - personified phallus - center of 100 cubit Kingdom - **erection - powerful post - city center - man-pillar of iron - red or blood-smeared pillar - 2 pillars to temple entrance = bloodshed trees - sacrifice prop for bleeding hung men - passover doorpost - Sol's [sun or Solomon] temple posts = strength & firm - pillar saints - St John of the column - heal illness - church spire - Campanile - phallus

LADDER - ladder to heaven - **Jacob's ladder - **soul ladder = post on grave w 14 notches - with woodsword blades, priest decapitates cock on top - ladder of knives for initiation - passageway between godess & King - through 7 heavens, like axis mundi - Klimax, 7 rungs - rungs = lead Saturn, tin Venus, bronze Jupiter, iron Mercury, alloy Mars, silver Moon, gold Sun - **ascent to sexual bliss with godess

BABEL TOWER - god's gate - heaven mountain - ziggurat - diverse languages - temple of 7 spheres = piled-up mountains - **great tree to heaven, cut branches = languages - **wind destroyed mountain, causing languages - giants made the mountain - **lightning from God destroyed the mountain

ALTAR - maternal hearth - great mother - earth's womb - heavenly virgin - **woman's belly
APEX - cone cap - phallus - witch hat - fool's cap - dunce cap - bishop's miter - pope's tiara - pharao's crown

LIGHTNING - phallus - **fertilizes mother earth, sea womb - Dumuzi - Dionysus - Leviathan - fiery serpents - Lucifer - Satan - sacred fire - jewel - Ceraunus - phallic scepter - spear - Zu, storm bird - **fiery flying serpents - Zeus - Lanceor, the golden lance = Lancelot - wise King Ethan = perpetual stream = perpetual firm - eagle - made by Vulcan = Hephaestus

PALM TREE - tree of life - Tamar = Astarte - Baal Peor = palm tree between 2 large stones = phallus - mother palm gives food of life = cocount milk or dates - sacred harlot of Judah - great mother, Mary - penis

SWORD - phallus - God

OBELISK - phallus - benben stone - begetter stone - rock begat Peter - Geb's erection

PHALLUS - Palladium

LINGAM - penis - god, especially Shiva - jewel - phallic pillar - Sthanu - **phallic eye @ forehead - manshape - to firstborns = begotten of god

TONGUE - lingam - phallus - cutoff tongue = cutoff penis - lips = vulva

ANGEL - heaven nymph - Valkyry - horae - houri - peri - **fairy - Shakti - Apsara - love godess - dispenser of joy - DaKini - skywalker - lotus palace dweller - heaven mate - Seraph - flying serpent - **lightning spirit - Cherub - moon priest - bird disguise - bird rider - son of God - fallen angel - demon - incubi - spirit - God - familiar spirit - elf - saint - geni - ghost

CROSS - Christianity - scarecrow - **phallic tree of life - male - Celtic cross - lingam-yoni - sexual union - phallus - God's love-death - ankh - tau cross - oak tree man - Thau, god - mayday - St Philip's day - maypole - tree of life - spear set in holy vase with testes - erection - trident

SWASTIKA - axis mundi - Artemis - Amen - infinity - left-hand path - right-hand path - Kali-maya - Ganesha - witch-left, savior-right = Buddha - Left = autumn = decline = rebirth - Thor's hammer - Christ - gamma cross - flyfot = 4 feet = 4 pillars of the earth & heaven - punishment courts = **inquisition

PYTHON - great serpent - Hera's first-born - Ophion-serpent - **lightning serpent fertilizes godess, the deep - Hephaestus - Delphic oracle - lived in earth's womb, **knew its secrets - Apollo's twin = himself - black sun - Sata, Thoth ..

URAEUS - serpent - godess - healing idol - **brazen serpent - **Egyptian rearing cobra @ third eye = mystic insight

SERPENT - serpent of the Nile = Egyptian queen - Isis & Nephthys - Ninhursag gives life to the dead = ms. of serpents - Lamia, Lamashtu - Pazuzu of the serpent penis - serpent god = phallic consort - lord of death - Leviathan = wriggly one, his godess = Moon - rival of Yahweh - Nehushtan - Nahusha cast down to the underworld - fiery serpent - Seraph = fiery serpent god - **Seraphim = serpent spirits - Jehova = serpent god - Zeus Sabazius - Jehova = usurper of wise serpent - serpent of Eden - Eve & Adam's friend - Ophion = Obi - Python - life [arabic] - female logos = wise word of Eve - purple serpents of Sheba lived in trees - serpent's skin shed = rebirth - sacrificial bull's blood collector - earth's intestines - Apep, Khumbaba like intestines - birth & rebirth = separate from bowels - restore the dead - Jesus - Messiah - world ruler - Father of Jesus - encircler of the world egg - Midgard worm with tail in mouth - Koshchert, deathless encircles the underworld - Koshi dragon - Sata[n], Tuat - Okeanos, sea serpent of ocean - Zeus Meilichios - consort Persephone - Father of Alexander the Great - divine phallus of perpetual erection, tree of life, axis mundi, pole of heaven & earth, godess's hub - serpent's eye = polestar by Draconis - Vasuki = **polestar that stirs the abyss

CADUCEUS - serpent on cross or tree of life or rod - savior, Christ - Hermes - healing - serpent god on altar - spirit of man - spinal column - **brazen serpent on pole to cure Israel - Nehushtan

SHIP - mound - temple - belly - navel - womb - boat - coffin - cradle - vessel - crescent - moon - ark - fertility

MOON - heaven horn - light of night - mirror - reflection - old woman - wise blood - wisdom - to world egg - menstrual cycle - time - mind - **people from moon's hole - people eater - ark - vessel - cup of blood - crescent

HORNS - wisdom - phallic of salvation - high tower - the finger

BULL - sun - moon bull - serpent - messiah

COW - great mother - milk giver - crescent - headdress - cornucopia

ARK OF COVENANT - great ship - yoni - crescent moon - boat

CAULDRON - womb to rebirth - transformation - boil to restore life - wisdom - basin - holy grail - cannibal cauldron to rebirth

CAVE - womb - regeneration - sanctuary - yoni - 4 cardinal points - temple - immoratlity - shrine - marriage chamber - brothel - bower of bliss - palace of love - grotto

WELL - passage - holy - healing - fountain

FISH - oval - vessel - womb - whale - dolphin - love-making - knowledge

YONI - vulva - triangle - fish - oval - horseshoe - egg - fruit - country - great mother

MONS VENERIS - mount of Venus - mountain shrine - female genitalia

TRIANGLE - vulva - woman - holy door - trinity - consciousness

TWINS - dark & light - morning & evening star - god & devil - life & death - sun & black sun

WHEEL - galaxy - Milky Way - zodiac - hub = navel = yoni = hexagram - time - fortune - fate - karma - all-seeing eye - virgin glory - angel - throne - **revolution = revelation - luck

OMPHALOS - umbilicus - navel - hub - center of godess - womb - tree of life

EYE - **judge - one-eyed god = phallus - glance of death

OWL - witch - eye - godess - hag - wisdom

HORSESHOE - great gate - door charm - yoni - omega - word - door to new cycle

ENTRAILS - courage - guts - balls - intestines - testes within - omens - labyrinth - journey - womb - cave

CHAOS - godess' womb - twin creations - doomsday - Tiamat - wasteland - Nirvana - judgment day - godess mother - the deep - womb - darkness - great fish - churning - mother's abyss - ocean of blood - red sea - division = diameter = horizon of circle - **dragon - **spirit of God

HAIR - soul repository or protection - life restorer - heart stimulus - penis stimulus - comet - serpents - force of creation & destruction - spirit control - weather control - draws bats, demons - **power - rays - virility - wisdom - **tangled = creative energy - wrapped = conserving energy - cut = castration - Calvary = bald skull = haircut site

[Lloyd]

Biblical Myths
Myths are not falsehoods, but apparently largely based on associations of shapes.

Alphabetical List of Biblical Terms

Absalom 2 Sa 12:11 = David's son or neighbor?
Absalom -2 Sa 12:25 = sacrificial king = father (ab) Salom = Solomon = King's name, like Jedidiah
Absalom -2 Sa 16:22 king's public copulation
Absalom >-2 Sa 18:18 died for David [surrogate], declared God with a phallic erection pillar
Absalom -2 Sa 18:14-15 body dismembered by 10 priests
Adamu Ge 2:17, 3:22 not eat food of eternal life
Adam Ge 5:5 not die, live 930 years
Adam -Ge 3:4-5 Serpent told truth
Adonis Lu 23:53 virgin womb = tomb
adultery De 22:21 prohibited to women so they couldn't disinherit husbands
altar Re 6:9 burial, not understanding that altar = constellation
altar ?--Ac 5:1-19 moon sickle = scythe to castrate gods by mother time = mother death = Rhea Kronia [Crone?] = earth, who ate her own children
Amazons once ruled large part of Asia, tamed horses
Ananias = Rabbi who opposed Paul & was murdered by Peter for withholding tithes
Anath Jud 3:31 worship by some Israelites
Anath ?--1 Cor 16:22 bridegroom comes, should say bride dies soon = sacrificial curse
angels >1 Cor 11:10 or demons, are attracted to women's hair
angels -Ge 6:4 = sons of God
Anne Ezr 4:9 St Anne = Dina = Di-ana = godess - Dinah's tribe at Sumer
apostles Jn 6:50,54 Jesus = bread
apostles -Mt 26:39,42 let cursed cup pass
apostles -Ac 2:4 Buddhist flames
arianism 2 Sa 6:3, 1 Sa 6:19, Ex 30:20 vs trinity - St Augustine thought trinity was pagan
ark >Je 3:16 slaughter no longer mattered
asceticism: >Lu 14:26 hate all
Asherah 1 K 14:23 worship by Israelites
ass Ge 4:25 god = Set = Seth = good shepherd to replace Abel - Set = Osiris-Horus
atonement Le 16:21 scapegoat
atonement >-He 9:22 requires blood sacrifice
Baal 2 K 18:4 = Nehushtan, serpent from Moses
Baal Ze 12:11 Hadad
Baalzebub Mt 12:24 prince of devils = remover of devils
beanstalk >He 9:22 = ladder of heaven = soul bridge = vine [umbilical cord?] from earth to heaven
bird = soul = oracle = ghost = angel - vultures took souls to heaven, storks brought them back to earth = reincarnation
boar Mk 5:11-13 of heaven = sacrificial swine
bones Ex 12:46, Nu 9:12, Ps 34:20, Jn 19:36 for sacrifice not broken to be good for next life
Brahma Ge 6:4, 1 Cor 13:12 precedents
bull Mk 15:34 = El = Phoenician bull god = Helios, the sun = Jesus' Father
bull -1 K 22:11 mask
bull -Ex 32:4 golden calf by Aaron
caduceus Nu 21:9, 2 K 18:4 of Moses
Cain Ge 4:11 = smith = godess worshiper who sacrificed Abel to godess
Cain >-1 Sa 13:19 no smiths = no Cains in Israel
Cain -Ex 13:21-22 Yahweh = volcano god
Cain -Ex 2:16 Moses' wife was of a smith family
Cain >-Ex 35:31-32 smiths of her family made the Ark of the Covenant
Cain -Ex 32:26-28 Moses slew Cainites [smiths?]
candlemas, Le 12:2+ female babies twice as unclean as males
cannibal Ez 24 Sabeans
cannibal ?--Ge 15:4 birth from bowels
Caryatid Pr 9:1 = 7 godesses [7 sisters constellation?]
Caryatid -Jsh 9:21 = Caryatid [?] pillars
caste outcasts
castration >Ge 32:32 taboo against eating penises of sacrificed animals - Odin = eunuch = one-eyed god = stallion penis - Set & Horus phalli = eyes - Ra's castrated parts were planted to grow people from teh blood - Samson = eunuch - Jacob = Seth - circumcision imitated female menstruation - castration was to make female & get female powers - transvestism, eunuchs for choirs - Rasputin
castration -Ex 4:25 Moses' circumcision
castration >-1 Sa 18:27 David bought a wife with 200 foreskins
castration -Mt 19:12 eunuchs for heaven
cats >Ge 11:28 from lions' noses on Noah's ark [snot like blood clot come to life]
Chaldean = Abraham = moon worshiper = astrologer
charities 1 Cor 13 = graces
Chemosh 1 K 11:7 to Solomon's temple
christos Le 15:24 = anoint penis with oil - wreath on king's head at wedding = menstrual blood
christos Jn 12:7 bury = marry
christos -Mt 26:12 Mary Magdalene = temple maiden to anoint Jesus
christos -Mk 15:47 she also announced his resurrection
cow Ex 32:4 = Hathor, who got Israel out of Egypt
cow -Jb 10:10 milk
creation Ge 1:2 from Kali
creation -Ge 3:22 [?] of or by gods
curse 1 Sa 2:1 from mothers
Dana Ge 49:17 of Danites = serpents
Dan-el Da 1:21, 2:1 = Phoenician god
Daniel = Hebrew prophet of divination = title to name
Deborah Jud 4:4 = matriarch
devil/god 1 Sa 6:19 destroys own people
devil/god -Is 45:7 God creates evil
devil/god >-Ge 9:21 magic books gave formulae to negotiate with the devil - Dionysus = Noah = first patriarch to get drunk
Deucalion -1 K 16:34 = new wine sailor
dog = vulture = destroy savior, Sirius = dog's eye - Ursa minor = dog, polestar = dog's tail - buildings were founded in blood with sacrifice of first-borns
Dolcinists Mk 13:26-27 from St Francis before 1307 till 1404
doomsday electricity from 4 winds
doomsday ?--Lu 21:23 marriage is bad
doomsday >-Ps 90:4 1,000 years = 1 day - to explain why doom not at 100 AD
dove Mt 10:16 & serpent = female & male
dove >-Mt 3:16 impregnate Jesus' mind
drama Lu 24:10 = challenge, trial, marriage, sacrifice & resurrection to religious ecstacy = dream, priestesses at tomb find victim gone
Druid Jud 4:5 = Dryad = oak nymph like Deborah
eagle >Le 10:2 brings fire from heaven to consume sacrifice
eagle -1 Cor 13:3 cremation
elements Jn 19:34 milk & honey
fig Mk 11:13-22 cursed
fig -Ge 1:7 = female = heart = yoni - firmament = cistern
flood Ge 7:11 - open windows let out water to flood
flood -Ge 9:13 rainbow = barrier to God for water
flood -Ge 8:12 = chaos between universe death & rebirth = yonic dove
flood >-Ez 37 stones after flood = bones to life
Gabriel >Lu 1:28 came means had sex
Gehanna 1 K 11:7, Le 18:21 = valley of fire - altar to Moloch
godess' Ac 19:27 shrines to be destroyed by Christians
golden >Ex 32:6 calf - play = copulate
golden Ga 6:7 rule = Buddhist
golden 1 Cor 11:10 hair attracts angels, demons
grow Nu 6:5
grow ?--1 Cor 11:15 bad
Hebe Ge 3:22 = Eve - go down tree of life
Heill 1 K 1:4 = virile, not David
Heracles 1 Cor 13:3 sacrifice by fire = virtue to St Paul
Heracles -Mk 16:6 = sun = is risen
hero Le 15:24 red or purple flower = menstrual blood to be or get hero
Herodias Mt 14:3 = great lady
hex[agram?] Re 13:18 666 = triple 6 = triple godess Aphrodite's [Ishtar's], Fate's magic number of the beast
hex[agram?] >-1 K 10:14 = androgenous love, Solomon's marriage to triple godess to 666 talents of gold
hex[agram?] >-Re 1:8 3,6,7 = Egyptian Moses' sacred numbers - number of deity is 37 - 3x37=N = triple digit [111, 222 etc] 3x6x37=666 - hexagram was not Jewish symbol till 17th century, not in Jewish literature till 12th century, came from Tantric Hindu, represented union of sexes with one triangle = female & other triangle = male - Tantra to Jewish Caballa
horse = ride to heaven - horseshoe = alpha & omega
husband Lu 23:45 = house-bound = land servant - hymen = veil
Immanuel Is 7:14, Mt 1:22-23 = E-mani = sacred king
Ishtar Je 44:19 = Esther = queen of heaven
Ishtar >-Re 17:5 whore
Isis Ps 89:14 = right, justice, throne = all-seeing eye
Isis -Mt 2:15 = Mary
Isra-el Ge 32 = royal name from sacred king = God, not angel
Jaelnailed Jud 4:21 head, like Artemis Tauropolos
Jahi >Lu 22:10 = Eve [Yawe] mated with serpent & started menstruation
Janua Coeli = gate of heaven + Christian sanctuary - screen to church = gate of Juno [Uni, Yoni] = veil = hymen = 2-faced to look back to birth & forward to death = January = gate of the year - jar-bearer to Jesus before last supper
Janua -Mt 22:30, Mk 12:25, Lu 20:35 = water-bearer - water = seminal spirit for union with the godess, no sex to [get to?] heaven
Jesus >Mt 27:5 ben Pandera = Mary's or Jesus' grandfather = son of Roman soldier, carpenter & of Miriam of Magdala = sacred virgin harlot of the temple
Jesus = prophet [see before Jesus Christ]
Jesus Ex 33:11 = Joshua, son of Nun
Jesus 1 K 19:16 = Jehu, son of Nimshi
Jesus En Yeshuah, son of Marah
Jesus Jn 11:50 die for the whole nation
Jesus >He 9:22 no forgiveness without bloodshed
Jesus Jn 6:15 escaped
Jesus Jn 6:33 bread of God
Jesus >Jn 6:56 eat flesh & blood
Jesus Jn 12:32 all men to glory
Jesus Lu 9:27, 21:27 Persian cloud
Jesus Mk 16:18 Celsus vs miracles
Jesus Mt 26:53 summon angels
Jesus Jn 12:15 is like Tammuz
Jesus 1 Cor 16:22 Maranatha curse
Jesus Mk 15:34 pathos play
Jesus Jn 19:30 marriage consummation
Jesus >Lu 23:45 veil = hymen
Jesus Lu 23:44 eclipse
Jesus >Jn 19:41 joined to garden = woman
Jesus Lu 23:3, Mk 14:61 blasphemy
Jesus 1 Cor 15:17 = myth
Jesus Lu 22:42 submission
Jesus Mt 22:30, Lu 14:26 oppose family & marriage
Jonah in belly of the whale = womb
Judas Iscariot = Jesus' twin brother = Judas Thomas = Tammuz [from Syrian acts of Thomas], crucified in Jesus' place [from Koran] - Judas died by hanging
Judas >-Ac 1:18 or Judas died by falling
Judas -Ze 11 money to potter
Judas -Ac 1:18, Mt 27:7 = Astarte, Judas' money for potters' field
Judas >-Jn 12:15,29,32 Why betrayal if Jesus was known?
Judas -Jn 25 really point of traditional drama is to absolve executors of guilt - Judas = 12th disciple = 12th hour = sunset = evening & morning star to supper = evening - Judas tarries till Jesus comes - Jesus = sun
Judas -Jn 11:9 If man walks in light of day, he stumbles not
Judas >-Ex 17:12 Jesus = sun - evening star [Saturn] = shalem = peace = betrayal at night = death of sun
ka = upraised arms, bent at elbows to invoke godess - Moses vs Amalekites
ka ?--Ge 28:12 umbilical cord = serpent [?]
Krishna = sacrificial king - sacrificial death by hanging between heaven & earth with blood fructifying the soil
labarum = vision of Constantine = XP = Chi Rho = Cristos or from ankh - IHS = Iesu Hominum Salvator = iota eta sigma = Bacchus = sun = IES = Jesu
ladder of Jacob's dream
lamb >Ex 13:2 sacrifice replaced first-born [e.g. Abraham's son?]
lamhusu Mt 27:28 = royal color of sacrificial king
lamhusu -Mk 15:17 = scarlet
lamhusu -Mt 6:3, Ec 10:2 = purple
left hand = female
left hand -2 K 18:4 west = home of demons
Leviathan = great serpent = Levites
lightning 1 K 4:31 = symbol of Ethan [phallus]
lily Jn 1:1 aided Mary in immaculate conception of Jesus - Gabriel's seminal word of God made Mary full of grace [as per Catholic Church]
logos = word of God that creates
Lucifer Is 14:12-14 = son of morning who descends mountain at sides of the north
Lucifer -Is 14:15 to hell to sides of the pit
lightning -Lu 10:18 from heaven
lightning -Ep 2:2 to the air
Ma Nu 11:12 mother of Moses nursing child
Maat De 28:15-68 = lawgiver vs savage threats of
Magog >Ez 38 = mother of god = Amazon equestrian warriors
Magog -Ge 10:2 son of Jaffeth
Mammon Lu 16:13 = godess
Mammon Ac 19:27 many breasts
mandorla Ex 25:33-34 = almond = fertility
Manicheans Mt 4:9 opposed Jhvh who created world of cross matter
Mara Ru 1:25 = deep sea womb = briny, bitter = Naomi in old age
Mara -Jsh 19:11 shrine
Mara -1 Cor 11:22 death curse
Mari Re 12:3 = diamond sow [son of or on?] lotus throne = grants us sun of happiness = woman
marriage 1 Cor 7:9 is bad
marriage -Lu 14:26 hate
marriage -Mk 3:31-35 no family
marriage -Mk 12:25, Lu 20:35 none for heaven
marriage -1 Cor 11:3 head of woman
marriage -Ge 2:24 If marriage isn't happy, it's woman's fault, so women accepted blame for beatings
matrilineal inheritance
matrilineal inheritance -Ru 1:8 Naomi
matrilineal inheritance >-Ge 24:53 Abraham
matrilineal inheritance >-De 25:5 changed to male inheritance
Medusa Re 1:8 = wisdom
Mehit Ge 36:39
Melchizedek Ge 14:18 = savior
Melchizedek >-Ps 110 Christ under him
menorah Ex 25:33-35 = 7 sisters & yonis
menstrual blood Le 15:24 = flower
menstrual blood -2 K 5:14 = river
menstrual blood -1 Tm 2:11-12 yoni = heresy
menstrual blood -Re 22:2 Orphites said it's Christ's blood
menstrual blood -Le 15, Ge 31 fear
midwifery, Le 12:5 new mother is untouchable 66 days
Milky Way Ge 2:14 = Hid Dagal [Akkadian] = great river = Hid Dekel
moon Jb 10:10 = green cheese - earth too from Milky Way
Molech 1 K 5:1-11 temple
Moloch Le 18:21 = Yahweh
Moloch -Ex 13:2 sacrifice
monotheism Ps 104 from Iknaten
moon Ge 1:5,16 God created light before moon & sun
moon -Is 3:18 crescent
moon -Je 3:16 Ark
Moses Ex 6:3 on Sin god
Moses -Ex 3:5 Hindu custom on shoes
Moses >-Ps 90:4 1,000 years = 1 day
Moses -Ex 12:29 Egyptian sacrifices
Moses -Ex 13:15 Israel's sacrifice
Moses -Ex 13:2 sacrifice first-born
Moses -He 9:22 blood
motherhood Ac 19:27 destroys godess
motherhood -Lu 14:26, Jn 2:4 family
mountain Ge 2:10 4 rivers of blood
myrrh Mt 2:11, Mk 15:23 for Jesus' birth & death
name >Mk 4:11 to salvation, Jesus kept secret
name >-Mk 16:17 gave to apostles
name >-Lu 10:17 70 people said
name -1 K 5:9, Jn 17:6,26 demon's name
Nanshe Ge 44:5,15 = dream reader, Joseph to pit of godess' cup
necromancy >1 Sa 28:7,14 = spirit communion
Neith Ge 41:45 = Asenath = Isis = Athena = godess of On
Nergal 2 Ki 17:30
Nergal -Je 39:3 prince
Neter Ge 2:6 edit = fountain, not mist
Nimrod Ge 10:9 = mighty hunter = Orion = Baal Hadad
orgy >Ex 23:19 passion of revival meetings led to sex & to camp meeting children from ancient religions
Orpheus from Dionysus to Christians, child in milk
Osiris Ps 23 = good shepherd to restore souls
Osiris -Jn 12:24 wheat
Osiris -Jn 14:2 mansions = arits
Osiris -1 Cor 6:3 rule
Osiris -Lu 22:10 jar
Osiris -So 4:12 Nile to blood to flood time from Osiris' phalli
Paradise Jn 14:23 house of many mansions - Paradise, virgin bride's fountain
Paradise -Mt 22:30 no sex or spouse
pelican self-sacrifice, myth from St Augustine
Peter Mt 16:18-19 the rock = fountain of Catholicism
from -De 32:18 city god, Petra = phallic pillar of rock = patrilineal succession = popes = Roman gods
Peter >-Mt 16:19 = phallic stone at Vatican = penis, Petra = phallus of Ra = prophet, Peter to all pearly gates of godess' temple to enter - keys to heaven
Peter >-Mt 26:34 denied Christ till cock crowed - cock = angel to announce daily sunrise - sun = Jesus = light - cock = Peter = penis at Vatican statue of the savior - cock for the sun = Jesus - Luther said Vatican used 12 naked girls to serve supper
phallus Ge 24:9 testify = swear on testes, guts = intestines
phallus >-Ge 32:32 Jacob's penis
phallus -De 25:11-12 fear of genital harm - fascinate = prayer to phallic amulet - foreskins = pregnancy charms = wedding rings
pillar 1 K 7:19-20 God makes it firm = Jachin
Pleiades Ex 25:33 = 7 sisters = menorah = moon Horae to lilies
pomegranite 2 K 5:18, 1 K 7:18-20 = godess' shrine = rimmon - rim = give birth
potter Ze 11:13 godess
Prometheus >Le 4 tricks Zeus, Jews trick Yahweh re sacrifice
prophecy De 18:22
Purim Es 7:10 Haman hanged to become Marduk = consort of Ishtar = Esther
Marduk -Ge 1:7 split Tiamat
magic -Es 9:16
rainbow >Mt 7:14 = bridge of heaven - Kinvad = Cinvat
ram Ge 22:13 = horn = phallus = sacrifice
ram -Jsh 6:4 battle
rape Jud 19:30 rare to Israel
sacred Le 15 menstrual blood danger
sacrifice Le 17:11 soul to [in?] blood
sacrifice -Le 7:25 fat
sacrifice -Le 7:30-31 breast
sacrifice -1 K 5:1-11 Molech - Solomon, Solomon's temple built by King of Tyre
sacrifice >-Le 18:21 Molech = Yahweh/fire
sacrifice >-Ex 13:2 child sacrifice for Yahweh
salem >Ge 14:18 = peace at sunset
saliva Mk 8:23 cure from Horae with milk
salome Mt 14:6-8 dance of 7 veils = drama of sacred king
salome -Mt 15:40 at Jesus' death
salome -Ez 8:14 from Tammuz Ishtar cult
salt Nu 18:19 binds bread
salt -Mt 5:31 & covenants [covens?], true prophets
Sarah Ge 12 = godess of Abraham & ally of Egypt
Satan Ge 5:8 = Set = Seth
Saturn = Cronus = Rhea = devourer of own children = black sun = Aciel = sun of night = lord of death = winter sun - Christmas = sun's rebirth, king carnival sacrifice - Saturday = end before sun's rebirth on Sunday - Ninip = black Saturn = ghost of dead sun = demoniacal elder sun - Saturday = rest [heal?] - Saturn = Rx = heal
serpent 2 K 18:4 of Moses was broken
serpent -Ge 2:15 man = earth's caretaker
serpent -Jn 3:15 son of man
shadow Ac 5:15-16 of Peter cured
shibboleth Ju 12:6 = ear of corn for Astarte = Demeter
Simon Mt 10:2 = Magus = Peter
Sin Is 49:12 = moon god on Sinai & Sinim
Sin -Ex 6:3 god of Moses on Sinai
smiths >1 Sa 13:19 from Israel
soul Ez 37:10 from God's breath
soul -Lu 17:21 from bones is within
speak 1 Cor 14:18 in tongues = babble
Styx 2 K 5:14 for rebirth
sun Re 12:1 godess
teraphim Ho 3:4 = objects of worship
tetragrammaton = YHVH - Hwh = Eve
Thomas Ez 8:14, Jn 20:28 = Tammuz = dying savior
Tiamat Ge 1:2 from Tehom = the deep
Tophet 1 K 11:17, Le 10:2, 2 K 23:10, Le 18:21, 1 Cor 13:3 = hell fire sacrifice to Molech
urim 1 Sa 28:6, Ex 28:30 = divining knuckle bones
virgin Lu 1:28 birth after Gabriel "came"
virgin -Ge 6:4 giants
virtue >Ps 33:1 = erection = upright
virtue >-Mk 5:29-30 Jesus
whisper 1 K 19:12, Jb 4:16, Is 29:4 = spirit voice
witch Ex 22:18 = kasaph = seer = diviner

[Lloyd]

Sex in Myths
* As you can see in many of the mythical associations in Walker's book, listed above, many were related to sexual themes. Cardona has discussed the matter of the ancients' seeming obsession with sex in their myths in one or more of his books, the contents of which are shown on a relevant webpage of this website for purchasing his and other TB team members' books etc. Ev Cochrane has a book called Starf*cker, which is apparently about the same subject. The subtitle is The Catastrophic Conjunction of Venus and Mars.
* It seems that some aspects of the ancient Saturn Configuration at times resembled a penis rising from the Earth up to a female image around Saturn, or, as the Egyptians sometimes pictured it, the penis was from Saturn and penetrating Mother Earth. And, according to Ev and others, the later appearances of Venus and Mars resembled male and female figures.
* As can also be seen in the previous message, sexual myths also seem to have greatly influenced development of religions, even probably subconsciously.
* I don't really prefer to focus on sex in studying mythology, but it seems to help explain how cultures have come to their present peculiar states.

[Lloyd]

Ancient Peruvian Figure as Plasma Column
* The recent TPOD, The Very Stones Cry Out, at http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/03 ... s-cry-out/ shows a photo of The Raymondi Stela of Peru and says:

What on earth is here depicted? The anthropomorphic being at the base will undoubtedly have represented a conspicuous deity or ancestor in the pantheon of the Chavín people – if not the principal object of worship at the adjacent temple. The two staffs held by this being, one in each hand, identify it as the dios de los varas or ‘god of the rods’ familiar from various other cultures throughout Peru. And the serpentine locks of ‘hair’ attached to the head are a common feature of the same entity. - Unparalleled, by contrast, is the god’s towering headdress, composed of three stacked heads, nine superimposed ‘tentacles’ on each side, and a minor structure on top crowned by a pair of intertwined serpents. ... A solution comes from an entirely unexpected source – the study of laboratory plasmas. Research less than a few decades old has uncovered what may well be the only plausible prototype for the Chavín deity in all of nature: a plasma z-pinch subject to sausage, vortical and other, nonlinear instabilities. A plasma beam pinched tightly will eventually break up into a stack of toroids, typically 9 in number. An increase in electrical current with a slow rise time pushes the evolution of the column into a chaotic regime, which sees the toroids joined by a central bar before flattening, extending outward like the branches of a tree, and curling up at the ends. - The American plasma physicist Anthony Peratt proposed that such a high-energy density formation materialised in visible light in the earth’s upper atmosphere prior to the dawn of civilisation. The cause of this ‘enhanced aurora’ was a dramatically increased influx of charged particles into the earth’s magnetosphere.... - Rens Van Der Sluijs

* The TPOD photo is very hard to make out. So I found a clearer one shown below:
http://www.gracesmall.com/images/0/Raimondi%20Stela.jpg

* In the list of Motifs above, from Walker's book, under HAIR is included the words power and rays, which are consistent with plasma. The Saturn Myth includes the Plasma Column between Saturn and Earth's north pole. The stele image above includes the human in the center wearing a tall headdress and holding or touching twin pillars or staffs, one on each side. The headdress includes a flying bird image. The plasma column often resembled a human. Twin pillars are common in myths, but I'm not clear what they were, though these may be part of the plasma column.

[kevin]

Could I offer a more personal insight to this??
http://www.gracesmall.com/images/0/Raimondi%20Stela.jpg

I don't want to sound arrogant, but, god of the rods rings a bell with Me.
What is depicted is a dowser, I am.
The goldenmean spirals are created in bloch walls between the neutral lines that carry opposite magnitic fields.
I detect nine parallel lines.
I have tried to better describe all of this on a thread upon here about dowsing.
It is very difficult to describe what is invisable , and not in the current accepted knowledge base.
Kevin

[Lloyd]

* Kevin, the human in the center seems to me to resemble the squatter man figure from petroglyphs and the headdress resembles polar column motifs, including things like stepped pyramids, pagodas etc. But it seems possible that dowsing might have been inspired by the ancient polar plasma column. Have you thought about that? Numbers 9 and 7 seem to be especially associated with the polar column etc. Could you try dowsing for an answer to that question of whether dowsing originated from inspiration from the ancient polar column or the like?

[kevin]

Lloyd,
The figure is what YOU look like to My dowsing.
Humans are within such a system.
That system is scaler...As above, so below.
Know any part of that system, then You know the whole.

The earth is within a self similer.
The sun is within a self similer.
The galaxy is within a self similer.
Every atom is within a self similer.

The base substance that is a near solid( universe) enables instant switching, we call that movement.
YOU move because You have Your own dual whorl time field about You, You switch within it.

The Earth is within it's own dual whorl time field.
ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC at all scale.

The figure shown is a representation of that universal system.
Electricity is TIME spinning in counterdirection , and acting under attraction to find rest.
Kevin

[lizzie]

Kevin said: The goldenmean spirals are created in bloch walls between the neutral lines that carry opposite magnetic fields. I detect nine parallel lines.

A Dowse of Reality
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/cruz/ ... -9626.html

When the divining rod speaks, a surprising number of people listen

In the summer of 1692, a peasant from a village near Lyon made news all over the French countryside when he successfully tracked an accomplice to a grisly murder using a forked stick that twisted in his hands each time he crossed the suspect's path of flight. The culprit's confession landed Jacques Aymar Vernay and the art of dowsing squarely in the public eye, eliciting a mix of wonder, derision and outrage from the general and scientific communities.

Dowsing for the Paranormal
http://soulsearchers.spheresoflight.com ... ge=dowsing

According to some dowsers who use divining rods, brass or copper are good conductors of energy and allows the rod to attune to magnetic fields emanated by the target without the earth's EM field interfering, as would be the case with a metal such as steel. The end of the rod to be held by the dowser is often encased in a material that provides a constant electrical impedance, to prevent the dowser's own conductivity from interfering with the dowsing process.

Dowsing rods have been used for many years in paranormal research. Some researchers believe that these rods or pendulums can pick up on energy fields somewhat like an EMF Meter. Some also believe that by using dowsing rods, a spirit can control their movement by indicating "yes or no" answers by positioning the rods in different fashions or pointing the holder of the rods in a direction to lead them to a specific area.

In paranormal investigations you can program the pendulum or dowsing rod using your intent to show where there is a concentration of spirit energy. With this method the pendulum will just hang until paranormal or spirit energy is present at which point it will start to oscillate and the speed and intensity of its movement correlates with the intensity of the energy as its movement will be strongest when directly over the source of the energy.

With Dowsing Rods the rods will cross whenever you walk over an energy vortex or concentration of spirit energy. Ideally you should be specific as to which type of energy you're seeking. You can also ask the dowsing rods to point you in the direction of the spirit energy.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienc ... ywg049.jpg

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienc ... wg047a.jpg

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienc ... ywg048.gif

Diamagnetic Gravity Vortexes
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienc ... grid03.htm

A Bloch Wall is a neutral center region at the junction of two magnetic poles (north/south). It is thereby a "magnetic flow reversal point" and is also known as a "diamagnetic vortex point". The Bloch Wall is the point of division of the circling vortex, or spin, of the electronic magnetic energies of the north and south poles. The negative energy pole and north pole magnetism spins to the left; the positive energy pole and south pole magnetism spins to the right. The point of zero magnetism and no-spin, and also the point of magnetic reversal where the two spin fields join, is the Bloch Wall.

Two antithetical force fields, the magnetic and the electric (two vector force fields) meet and generate gravity, a neutral center force field and simple two vector system (tensor). We can state this slightly differently by saying the conjunction of two dipolar generated force field vectors (magnetic and electric) generates a quadropole force field, or gravity. Gravity, as a quadropole source, radiates in a circular 360 degrees polarization pattern, taking two cycles; thus a "spin 2" characteristic exists for gravity, and therefore gravity waves have twice the spin of electromagnetic waves.

The lack of polarization in the gravity field explains why it cannot be neutralized. As a neutral center force element, gravity cannot have polarities by definition. But it is still just as basic a generated force as the polarized forces of the magnet or the electric fields. The electric field, as well as the magnetic field, has a neutral center effect that is also a gravity wave field source. The two polarized main antithetical force fields (magnetic and electric) are triadic in themselves, as polarization by definition requires, and thus they are both gravity field sources.

In all electromagnets the Bloch Wall is actually external to the unit. The Bloch Wall, the neutral center gravity wave source, is now in the gap between the magnet faces. In terms of the electromagnetic spectrum, the point of 1012 Hertz is marked as gravity, while below this is radar, radio, and standard EM frequencies; above it are infrared and optical energy frequencies. This is Nature's neutral center in the radiant energy spectrum where Her standard design triadic system demanded it be placed. 1012 Hertz is the frequency of radiated gravity

The Earth's diamagnetic flow field hits a reversal Bloch Wall area (south to north), at these special anomaly points like southern Florida or central Australia. The Equator Line is merely a myth for geographers and fools. The magnetic reversal areas of south to north magnetism flow are near the Tropics of Capricorn and Cancer; and these "spaced out" anomalies seem to alternate positions around the globe.

The best calculation I've arrived at indicates that there are within the Earth Grid a total of 20 magnetic reversal points, with 10 nearly on the Tropic of Capricorn and 10 magnetic reversal points nearly on the Tropic of Cancer. The two sets of ten points are offset almost equally from each other going around the globe; the northern set is roughly midway between the southern set.

Why haven't we known about the existence of these 20 magnetic-gravity anomaly points on the Earth Grid before? A compass points North-South anywhere, and so, hiding facts and using the myth of the Equator's magnetic polarity was expedient for our cunning "masters"-—the "power elite" who control this planet. The reason for hiding it is obvious: If you knew this truth then you would know that Coral Castle, Giza, Alice Springs, etc., were Bloch Wall (bow ties) or Diamagnetic Vortex Points. Extraordinary things can be done at these diamagnetic bow tie reversal points, such as levitating extremely heavy objects (building Coral Castle and the Great Pyramid of Giza) and launching (secretly) the real, massive space ships and probes (as at Alice Springs, Australia, and Lop Nor, China, for example).

The magnetic energy flows encounter the Bloch Wall, or bow tie reversal, at these grid locations on Earth. Nature uses the exact same method in a small permanent bar magnet for magnetic polarity reversal. The Bloch Wall is just a great deal larger and much more powerful when operating on the Earth.

Didn't anyone ever wonder why there were no Bloch Wall effects on the mythical Equator? If all the Bloch walls for South to North magnetic polarity reversal were at the Equator, no one would have ever crossed it. That is why Nature designed the criss-cross mesh reversal system for polarity reversal. And that is why there are Earth Grid points where the unusual diamagnetic systems exist. These points work extremely well, facilitating the construction of places like Coral Castle or the Great Pyramid or aiding the functions of secret space programs—which are all only large-scale versions of our Party Levitations, using natural Earth diamagnetism as a levitator force.

The principles of diamagnetism clearly explain the reasons behind the exact location of secret or publicly-known exploitations of magnetic-gravity anomalies on the Earth Grid. The "knot" top (north) on the "bow tie" magnetic reversal in a simple bar magnet reversal is the prime location to stage a major gravity-defying feat such as Coral Castle, the Great Pyramid, or an Alice Springs/Lop Nor space program (The Lop Nor desert is where the Chinese space program and nuclear testing is centered). The center area of the Bloch Wall (the bow tie's knot) is the steadiest and strongest magnetic (north) point, which is where Leedskalnin put Coral Castle, the Egyptians put the pyramids, somebody put the Easter Island statues, and where the governmental elites put the Alice Springs/Lop Nor sites.

The inventions and researches of the insightful Austrian scientist/naturalist Viktor Schauberger demonstrate the principles of diamagnetism on a small scale of polarity reversals operating in a simple bar magnet. His levitations are diamagnetic systems using water flows. Diamagnetism is the product (or effect) of a flow polarity reversal, like the Bloch Wall of the magnetic flow. Some waterfalls and streams have natural flows of diamagnetism or flow reversal effects. Schauberger simply built artificial water flows with internal powerful reversals in flow energy. These are simply a tubed version of a Bloch Wall system.

Thus both Victor Schauberger and Edward Leedskalnin, the builder of Coral Castle in Homestead, Florida, wrote about and demonstrated magnetism and the mechanism of levitation applying natural Earth Grid principles of diamagnetism. (Editor's Note : Refer to Living Water-Viktor Schauberger and the Secrets of Natural Energy, by Olof Alexandersson, Turnstone Press Ltd., Wellingborough, England, 1982. Also: Magnetic Current , Edward Leedskalnin, Homestead, FL, 1946)

Leedskalnin had two secrets. First, he knew where, in terms of the Earth Grid, to build Coral Castle. Second, he knew how to do Party Levitation all alone.

We must remember Leedskalnin was working on a Diamagnetic Earth Grid Point, so all mass objects in that area are always "charged" and easily lifted at their center of mass by a slight upward pushing pressure. Incidentally, due to the shifts in the north and south magnetic poles, Grid Point #18 is now inside Homestead Air Force Base; thus Coral Castle could no longer be built where it is now located.

Here are some additional comments on the subject of anti-gravity, or levitation. The reason for the weight of a mass in a gravitational field is the counterpush of the two masses’ gravity radiations. As humans we push more powerfully on the Earth via our stress body than the Earth pushes on us. The total of the two pushes of gravity is so-called weight. If we lose gravity (stress push) by radiating it, as in the Party Levitation central element (levitatee), we push less. As our push (gravity) decreases, the Earth's push-effectiveness on us increases. This is "weight loss" or levitation, which is really just letting the Earth push us away. It is not the total quantity of the masses that counts but the effective local gravity field's relative strength.

Levitation (weight loss) control is generally stress lowering via radiation, using gravity's natural characteristics. It works on either organic or inorganic mass, as gravity is the same for both. Think of it as the resultant pushes of two radiating sources, taken locally (These are "near field" design problems).

Here are two final observations in this regard. The forms of self-levitation or single operator induced human levitation appear to be hypnotic trance-state "shut downs" of the human body's gravity (stress) generation. Inorganic object levitation, if it is possible, is the "shut down" of the gravity (stress) generation of the object itself. Theoretically this object levitation is possible (as suggested by Coral Castle, pyramids, etc.).

In the Earth Grid Magnetic Reversal Points the straight-up, diamagnetic energy flow is a nonspin energy flow. This energy flow is exactly halfway between counterclockwise (north) and clockwise (south) flow and therefore it has no spin. Thus the Bow-Tie Knot levitation energy is a nonspin energy flow.

In a universe of basically spinning energy and particle systems, this nonspin energy has very powerful effects. The nonspin energy is the neutral center force field, belonging to neither side of a generally polarized universe. As such, it is reacted with and repelled very strongly by all energy and particle systems. By the generation of nonspin energy flows and the directional vectoring of these flows, we can design most powerful levitating devices.

If Nature follows rules, which She does, then all we need do is understand Her methods then apply them. Since diamagnetism is a reaction vector at the reversal point of an energetic flow system, all levitation methods must be similar in Nature.

[Lloyd]

* I just found out about this mythology resource site yesterday, http://www.sacred-texts.com, and it seems to be a great place to do some research on myths.
* On this page from SYMBOLS OF THE DEITY AND HIS ATTRIBUTES, http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/ssm/ssm06.htm, I found this image:

* What surprised me is that the Cross symbol seems to relate closely to the Pyramid symbol.
- According to Cardona et al, the Cross was seen during the Saturn Golden Age around Saturn itself in the northern sky close to the Earth and a Pyramid or Triangle was seen on the Earth under the Saturn Cross, with a polar column between them, or the polar column was in the shape of a Pyramid or Triangle.
- Apparently, the Saturn Cross was suspected by some of the ancient witnesses to be an inverted Pyramid.

[CTJG 1986]

* What surprised me is that the Cross symbol seems to relate closely to the Pyramid symbol.

I'm kind of surprised that you are surprised by this as I long ago came to the (loose)conclusion they are in fact two aspects of the same entity of the interplanetary plasma column/discharging.

I say I'm surprised because you're wealth of excellent contributions around here are what led me to that conclusion quite a while back.

- According to Cardona et al, the Cross was seen during the Saturn Golden Age around Saturn itself in the northern sky close to the Earth and a Pyramid or Triangle was seen on the Earth under the Saturn Cross, with a polar column between them, or the polar column was in the shape of a Pyramid or Triangle.
- Apparently, the Saturn Cross was suspected by some of the ancient witnesses to be an inverted Pyramid.

As I said above they are the same entity in different forms in my view - the Axis Mundi as the plasma column to begin with and the pyramid later when the planets came closer and began more intense(interplanetary tornado/vortex) discharging and exchanging of matter.

I am inclined to think that the female inverted pyramid associated with the original Saturn Cross and the progression of the Cross symbol itself represents Venus' arrival on the scene and energetic activities occurring during that arrival.

Later when Mars was in the picture then Venus and Mars discharging into each other conjured up similar symbolism - Venus appeared above Mars from our Earthly perspective so the inverted pyramid represents the female and the normal pyramid represents the man, Mars discharging upwards towards the woman.

When the two vortex/pyramid discharges meet and combine together they produce the original 'hour glass' through which the 'Sands of Time' flow.

The most important symbol to me the is the 'True Cross' which shows the 'Saturn Cross' and the 'Cross of Christ' together with Saturn radiating plasma/light as the smaller upper cross and Mars rising as Jesus on the lower larger cross(carrying his own cross) and Venus radiating as the 'crown of thorns' upon his head.

Leonardo Da Vinci's 'Last Supper' is very interesting in connection to this(as are all his works) if one looks at the table as a 'Time Table' and takes into consideration the coloring and patterning of the characters in their 5 groupings of 13(15?) and their mannerisms, gender signs and other patterns. I believe this was the first use of the 'vanishing point' by Da Vinci(behind Christ's Head), and the first time he placed a painting's optimal sight-line high above the viewer.

Beautiful work, no wonder though as Da Vinci seemingly enjoyed ancient history himself based on the motif's for most of his work.

Cheers.

[Lloyd]

* CTG, maybe you should find the symbols you're talking about and give us links to them. Doing a Google Images search, I only see for "true cross" regular Christian crosses. For Saturn cross I don't see any crosses to speak of, except for what looks like a Christian cross with an S-shaped tail on the lower right of the cross, which is the astrological symbol of Saturn. Where did you get the info about Mars and Venus producing an Hourglass with the sands of time flowing in it?
* It'll be interesting to see what Talbott says about Venus in his new series on comets. I doubt that he'll get into the possible interactions between Mars and Venus, but it looks like they're finally making some public progress in that direction.
* It just occurred to me that the Pyramid-Cross in the sky and the Pyramid polar column below it on the Earth seem likely to be the origin of the Star of David symbol, i.e. the 6-sided star. I had read before that the two triangles in the Star of David represent male and female. Regarding the Hexagram, Wikipedia says:

The downward triangle symbolizes Shakti, the sacred embodiment of femininity, and the upward triangle symbolizes Shiva, or Agni Tattva, representing the focused aspects of masculinity. The mystical union of the two triangles represents Creation, occurring through the divine union of male and female.

* So that sounds right, i.e. male on Earth and female in Heaven.
* Speaking of Da Vinci, it looks like he worked with the same symbolism as per http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1036894/pg1:

[CTJG 1986]

* CTG, maybe you should find the symbols you're talking about and give us links to them. Doing a Google Images search, I only see for "true cross" regular Christian crosses. For Saturn cross I don't see any crosses to speak of, except for what looks like a Christian cross with an S-shaped tail on the lower right of the cross, which is the astrological symbol of Saturn. Where did you get the info about Mars and Venus producing an Hourglass with the sands of time flowing in it?

My apologies, I just did a search for myself to find an actual image to post and discovered that apparently only a few small sects of mainly Eastern Orthodox faiths refer to it as the 'true cross', everyone else uses that term differently.

What I was referring to was the Patriarchal crosses used mainly as symbols of Bishopric and other powers of various churches, also called the 'double barred cross'(the triple barred cross is also of interest here).

Also apparently many sects make the 'Saturn Cross' of 'The Father' equal in size to the main Christ cross, not necessarily smaller since they see the Father and Christ as One within the Holy Trinity.

Oh and I use the term 'Saturn Cross' only as a rough describer as you yourself used in your last post, I simply mean the radiance's of light and plasma in the cross shape that originated from/with Saturn itself during the course of the alignment and particularly the arrival of Venus and the 'birth' of Mars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchal_cross

A Coat of Arms from Hungary baring a couple familiar symbols together:



URL: http://www.nemzetijelkepek.hu/onkormanyzat-apc_en.shtml

The 'hour glass' and the 'sand's of time' is a more modern interpretation of it with references appearing in certain entertainment mediums today and over the past 50 or so years, particularly Rock n' Roll(around the Clock, maybe at the Hotel California...) and 90's grunge/punk Rock(SoundGarden/Nude Dragons good example, see/hear "Burden in my Hand" or "Black Hole Sun", "Black Rain", etc.).

* It'll be interesting to see what Talbott says about Venus in his new series on comets. I doubt that he'll get into the possible interactions between Mars and Venus, but it looks like they're finally making some public progress in that direction.

Yes it would be great to get the more knowledgeably mature plasma/electrodynamic and mythological opinions of it, but even without much on that I'm sure he'll provide a good read on Venus.

Personally I'm not so sure Venus ever 'arrived' at all but was simply not visible to the ancient people when the 3 were One as the 'All Seeing Eye' until the resonating of orbit's likely due to the approaching modern Sun/Solar System caused both Venus and Mars to appear to be "born" and "flare up" a few times.

It's possible if we passed through a high-energy area of interstellar space or if the Galaxy itself did that maybe Venus and Mars and even the Sun were always around but only came close enough during an alignment period and the charge increase 'worked itself out'?(so to speak)

I really am far from coming to any true 'conclusions' as there are many details I have yet to work out so I can't say much more other than that hopefully Talbott will provide some new/more detailed EU perspectives that address some questions around that.

* It just occurred to me that the Pyramid-Cross in the sky and the Pyramid polar column below it on the Earth seem likely to be the origin of the Star of David symbol, i.e. the 6-sided star. I had read before that the two triangles in the Star of David represent male and female. Regarding the Hexagram, Wikipedia says:

The downward triangle symbolizes Shakti, the sacred embodiment of femininity, and the upward triangle symbolizes Shiva, or Agni Tattva, representing the focused aspects of masculinity. The mystical union of the two triangles represents Creation, occurring through the divine union of male and female.

* So that sounds right, i.e. male on Earth and female in Heaven.
* Speaking of Da Vinci, it looks like he worked with the same symbolism as per http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1036894/pg1:

Indeed I agree with you completely and have been investigating that line of thought for a while with both textual research and some artistic geometric playtime and I feel I should point out that the Star of David in '3D' is a Stella-Octangula or stellated octahedron which has 8 points in total, unless you get more fractal and it goes up/down from there, lol.

There was a great lecture I saw a while back regarding the fundamental structure of matter and the Star of David/Stella Octangula was the primary example he used to demonstrate this. Unfortunately I deleted that bookmarked page by accident a few days ago and I can't recall the name of the lecturer or anything to find it right now.

If I do find it I'll post it here.

Anyways music plays an important role in this too, as Da Vinci stated with the 'Last Supper' you need to have 'resonance between visual and aural harmonies', and I believe it was Pythagoras that was fond of the 'perfect fifth' ratio and his musical scale system.

I don't want to say too much on this as I'm still working out a lot of the details but the general picture is clearly laid out by Da Vinci through his paintings and mathematical(Poly-Math) works as far as the general progression of the events surrounding Jesus Christ(which actually was both Venus and Mars as One with Saturn(or possibly Jupiter at that point, not 100% sure at this time) in the "vanishing point" behind Mars(Jesus Head).

As I think I mentioned before learning about all the different 'schisms' and disputes in the old churches particularly regarding 'Arianism'(the Father/Saturn is supreme) and the history of those involved and their personal views and those who transliterated different versions of the Bible will help you understand how they encoded the whole mythology within the Bible.

Oh and for a good place to find most(but not all) of Da Vinci's works you can go here:
(the images aren't the highest quality, you may need to find better for proper examination)

http://www.leonardo-da-vinci-biography.com/index.html

I apologize for being quite vague in areas but I don't like to say much about anything until I have a fair level of certainty, and while I am quite certain about the general premise the details are mind-bending at times and will take time to hammer out.

Cheers.

[CTJG 1986]

There was a great lecture I saw a while back regarding the fundamental structure of matter and the Star of David/Stella Octangula was the primary example he used to demonstrate this. Unfortunately I deleted that bookmarked page by accident a few days ago and I can't recall the name of the lecturer or anything to find it right now.

If I do find it I'll post it here.

Found that lecture, though it has probably been posted around here before since I recall his name in a few topics around here now:

"Nassim Haramein - Sacred Geometry & Unified Fields - FULL VERSION" -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab3H4SlqG2Y

[CTJG 1986]

Perhaps I should mention that it is far easier to grasp some of the symbolism, especially the modern symbolism(like 'Rock around the Clock'), if one takes into consideration the helical/conical nature of star systems(and the universe in general) and how that would affect what ancient people's witnessed during the progression of events surrounding a polar alignment configuration.

And although I am sure to be dismissed for it I do feel the need to mention that there are people in this world who know exactly what has transpired in great detail, and contrary to popular belief that they are withholding that information from us 'common folks' for their own evil purposes if you pay attention to what is actually all around you in your daily lives you would see it is quite the opposite - they are telling you everything you need to know(well intelligence can extrapolate most from it), most people just aren't "tuned in" to hear or see what is right in front of their eyes.

And yes I do believe this stuff is all ingrained in the human psyche and thus will naturally manifest itself and will not always be anything "conspiratorial", but when words and images are meshed together in such a clear manner it is impossible to be simply a matter of chance.

A perfect example of this would be the modern music industry, especially as mentioned the Rock n' Roll and 90's grunge/punk rock genre's.

Has anyone here familiar with the works of Tesla, Dollard, Leedskalnin, etc. ever listened to a song called "Stand" by REM, and watched the video along with it?

I highly recommend listening to that song and watching the video with it in full-screen and paying careful attention to it, damn near every second of that video contains important symbols.

REM "Stand" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKKqLl_ZEEY

They are practically smacking us in the face with this stuff and most are completely oblivious to it.

As Soundgarden says in "Burden in My Hand" - "... cause down below the Truth is lying beneath the river bed, so quench yourself and drink the water that flows below Her head...".

I have no interest in saying much about it in detail because I haven't figured out enough to have a clue what is really going on in the world today but I just feel the need to point some things out for others to investigate if they so desire.

As Leonardo Da Vinci pointed out the musician ranks far above all other artists at representing the 'invisible things'.

That is as true today as it was back then so just listen to the music. I have long opposed 'mainstream' music without really understanding it but even more 'underground' artists like Lowkey follow the same symbolism so it doesn't really matter, as Billy Idol say's in "Evil Eye"(a really good one along with "Eyes Without a Face") "It's all the same, it's all for nothing...".

Certainly all this stuff is dealing with image rather than the science behind it but nonetheless it is helpful for trying to figure out the 'big picture' behind the mythology and the events themselves.

Potentially insane, Jonny

[Lloyd]

* I think it's the symbolists who are insane. I think they're likely deluded, though they think they're the chosen ones with all the secret knowledge.
* Thanks for the video link. See http://divinecosmos.com/ for further info about such things in recent articles there. It discusses symbolism that was used during the superbowl half-time show and before that discusses some of the major secret societies that seem to be behind such symbolism. I think they're deluded in thinking that symbolism gives them power etc.