The Boring Sun

[Electro]

Sun seen from Rosetta:



http://www.techtimes.com/articles/14643 ... osetta.htm

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space ... in_the_Sun

Sun taken by Voyager 1:



http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA00450

[GaryN]

Sun seen from Rosetta:

Well we don't actually see the Sun, we see Solar radiation interacting with the dust around 67P, and that dust is creating the light the instrument is detecting, but, that is a NAVCAM image, nobody really knows just what wavelengths it is 'seeing'. And likely the light level even if it was in the visible range, is so low your eyes would see nothing anyway.

Sun taken by Voyager 1:

Back then they were using a vidicon based detector, and vidicons were a strange breed of 'camera'. Probably a Galileo Electro-Optics device, developed for the military, but there were some consumer video cameras that used vidicons for a while. Sun sensors are required for any space mission, you can not just use a regular visible light camera with a filter to detect the Sun, and the most accurate Sun sensors are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars range, but you need to be vetted before they will sell you one. There are simpler, less accurate ones for earth orbiting satellites for as little as $3000 or so. Generally they don't discuss prices for the most accurate ones.

These Voyager images do not represent what your eyes could detect though, as the Vidicons were UV sensitive, so likely detecting the UV from the planets ionospheres.

These six narrow-angle color images were made from the first ever "portrait" of the solar system taken by NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft on Feb. 14, 1990, when the probe was about 4 billion miles (6.4 billion kilometers) from Earth. Clockwise from top left: Venus, Earth, Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus and Saturn.
Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech

http://www.space.com/28564-voyager1-pal ... years.html

[Electro]

The first and only other time I have heard of such claims was from Eric Dollard. The guy is obviously brilliant, especially when it comes to electricity, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which he never provides. A couple a YouTube videos are certainly not enough. He claims to have created a galaxy in a vacuum tube. However, if you ask him to reproduce it, he always says the parts aren't available anymore or he doesn't have any money. Talking about other dimensions, and "creative force", killed it for me right there... Many others have the same modus operandi... They're basically all cranks seeking funding.

[perpetual motion]

Ok, here's another one for the fiction fables.
Can anyone tell me at what altitude light is really created and the type of gas
that is required for it to do this? I've probably said this on here before, but
should it not say that in order for a spectrum of millions to billions of colors to be visible that there has to be water vapor present in the atmosphere to create
these colors. It should also say that these are not frequencies, but are on the order
of the amount of protons in a given space.
What in the World would make these protons Vibrate in the first place to get
to this so called Frequency.
On another topic, If the Sun is emitting Radiation and all those exotic frequencies
then the EU theory is toast. That would only mean that it is what they say it
is, NUCLEAR and not plasma.

[GaryN]

Can anyone tell me at what altitude light is really created and the type of gas that is required for it to do this?

The Sun emits radiation at higher frequencies/shorter wavelengths than our eyes can see, and also in an EM configuration that our eyes can not detect, which is why it can not be seen from cislunar space. The Apollo mission photographs by themselves are strong evidence, I'd say proof, for this fact. Electro says he does not know why there are no photos of the Sun from the Apollo missions, surely the answer is simple, if it can't be seen, they can't take a photo.
There are a few mechanisms that can create visible light from the higher frequency light, and UV interacting with nanometer sized silica particles can produce a full spectrum visible light on the Moon. The UV itself is likely the result of mechanisms occurring further out from the Moon by interaction of EUV with atoms, a forward scattering. Earths atmosphere being much more complex, there may be many layers that are in effect transforming those energy levels to ever lower values as they progress through the layers, emissions and absorption and re-emissions, fluorescence, and lower in the atmosphere that energy reaches the IR levels, which we feel as heat. I reckon it is water vapour that creates most of the IR, but CO2 will also. This, IMO, is why Venus is very hot at the surface, while higher up the temperature can vary quite considerably, as it does in Earths atmosphere.

On another topic, If the Sun is emitting Radiation and all those exotic frequencies then the EU theory is toast.

Why toast? I believe it all starts with hard Gamma radiation at the centre of the Sun, created by a sustained vacuum arc. I have called this mechanism the Gamma Output Device, or GOD (am I allowed to say that? ), and as we have been told, nobody could look directly upon this GOD and survive. Well, Duh.

The electric and magnetic fields of the Sun are inevitable if you are willing to accept the vacuum as a non-linear optical medium, and I think we will eventually be able to create the energies above the Schwinger limit on Earth, and at that point, a whole new model of the Universe will unveil itself. I may be talking nonsense, but no more so than do the standard model proponents. Independently verifiable scientific experiments are the only way to get to the truth, NASA will never perform them, or allow others to perform them, as the standard model would definitely be toast. The experiment required? A photograph of the Sun from cislunar space.

[GaryN]

The Solar Probe + mission to study the Sun from close range will not be carrying a camera that can show us what the Sun would actually look like if we were to be able to ride along with it. This is what NASA wants us to think it will look like, even though they also claim that the Sun would be white if we could see it from space. Which we can't, so they can't send an ordinary camera with filters. 5 decades in the making so far, a real NASA cash cow, will it ever launch?

http://science.nasa.gov/missions/solar-probe/

[GaryN]

Why does Mars look so bright at the moment? Presently Mars is still way smaller than the accepted limits of human eye resolution, so it is the opposition effect that makes it so visible, brightness trumps size. That is why we can see stars, we are told. They are so bright that even though they are many times smaller than our eyes can detect, we can detect them.

From the ISS:

Moon, Venus, Jupiter, and Earth as seen from the ISS. Image credit: NASA/Scott Kelly

Right now though, Mars should be a good target for the ISS photographers, along with the Moon and Saturn, but, as I can find no images of Mars from the ISS at all, even looking through Earths atmosphere, I doubt Mars will be photographed. Why is that? Just too boring to bother with?

[perpetual motion]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nasacommo ... otostream/
Here is one for Gary. I haven't tried loading these before, I hope it loads for
you. It's an oldie and I have zero knowledge in photography.

[perpetual motion]

Well it loaded. I didn't mean for it to load so many pics from NASA's photo album. Anyway, the
one I am trying to focus on was taken by Voyager in Feb. 1990, as it is the only one that I can
find of this so called Sun Light in space and then from six billion miles out. Now who would
have thunk this to be true?
Do they mean that it took NASA 26 years to photo shop this one on the public??
When you bring up the Flicker page this photo will be one frame to the right or check the
thumbnails under the picture as it is the only one of the Sun from space.
This picture still does not seam like a logical explanation of the so called light in outer space, but
I am not a photographer or a computer programmer.

[GaryN]

Anyway, the one I am trying to focus on was taken by Voyager in Feb. 1990, as it is the only one that I can
find of this so called Sun Light in space

I mentioned the Voyager camera in this post:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 10#p113299
The camera was actually built by General Electro-Dynamics, part of the Advanced Vidicon Camera System used in some early spacecraft missions, and by the military. Safe to say that our eyes would not see what the camera was capable of detecting. There are no true photographs of the Sun from cislunar space.

[GaryN]

I mentioned the Voyager camera in this post:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4579&start=810#p113299

Oops, should have been this post:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 10#p113286

[GaryN]

I thought the first half hour or so of this youtube vid that was mentioned on another forum quite interesting. Hadn't heard of the guy before, and his view counts are not too impressive, but seems like a pretty smart guy. A simple photo of the Sun from space, where is it, and why do mainstream sites or professional astronomers not even want to talk about it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OK9rt_ ... e=youtu.be

[GaryN]

Iranian satellite successfully placed in orbit

https://spaceflightnow.com/2015/02/02/i ... -in-orbit/
Connecting some dots, I think the cat is already out of the bag with respect to what is actually visible from orbit. The threat to the USA from ISIS is not from what is going on on the ground, but from the Islamic States In Space. They must have already seen what the Voskhod astronauts observed, the orbits are similar, that the Sun and stars appear very different from the view from Earth. The next planned orbital launch will have an even greater apogee. The greatest weapon of mass destruction that the ISIS posses is not a physical threat to humanity, only to those who have hidden the truth from us for so long. Conspiracy theory, or conspiracy fact?

[Grey Cloud]

I fail to see the connection between the Iranian satellite dot and the IS dot.

[nick c]

Conspiracy theory, or conspiracy fact?

Gary,
If you want to discuss vast conspiracies then you will have to do that elsewhere. Any further posts in that direction will result in this thread being locked.