The Boring Sun

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by GaryN » Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:22 pm

Well I do have to agree with Ras that the Sun is not what we are told it is, and if they can't show us any images from space, without the use of some very complex instruments, then something is amiss. That it could be cold (but highly charged) is also possible, as they have not sent a probe toward the Sun, the biggest gravity well around these parts, in order to prove it is thermally hot. I'd like to see a kickstarter project to send a probe to the Sun, just to see the resposce from the public and the authorities, could be interesting.
As for a flat Earth, that doesn't fit with my reality, though perhaps with the proper mind altering substances that could change. What ya' smokin' Ras, and you got any to spare? :D
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by Sparky » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:25 pm

Some kindda heat is coming from the sun... ;)
And I don't think that the plasma is cold. Too much energy there. And I just watched an old tv doc. that was explaining that the space outside of atmosphere is black.... :? I am confident that what data we are getting is mostly for real. Just their conclusions from it are a bit off.... :?

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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by GaryN » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:37 pm

And I don't think that the plasma is cold. Too much energy there.
Wideband properties of a new antenna made of cold plasma
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.js ... %3D4669363

If you consider the Sun as a spherical radiator, an acoustic monopole, beating like a heart, then those waves can transfer a lot of energy, but there is no heat until something absorbs those energies. Like with your microwave oven, the microwaves themselves are not hot, heat being created by resonant microwave absorption by the food molecules.
Something like that anyway... :D
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by Sparky » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:42 pm

You are referring to EM/radio absorption. :? There has to be radiant heating also. :?

And at close range the solar wind density would contribute too,,,,, :?
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by GaryN » Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:06 pm

There has to be radiant heating also.
Sorry, nope, that has not been demonstrated, which is why I'd like the rocket to the Sun experiment performed. The warmth of the Sun you feel on Earths surface does not exist in deep space, or even at the ISS orbital height. How would you measure the heat of the Sun up there? It has never been done, AFAIK, in a simple way. I was thinking a known mass of black painted aluminum inside an insulated box with a glass window to face the Sun, and record how much it warms up over a given time. If you look at how NASA does determine solar irradiance, you will see it is a very complex affair, and even the Sun position sensor does not use LIGHT. Sun position sensors for use in space is a complex subject in itself, can't just use something like a pinhole camera and a CCD. Or maybe they can, but like to make it very complicated and expensive and require PhD scientists, just to locate the Sun!
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by Sparky » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:17 am

What happened to my clever dig at ras... :? ... :D

Ok, isn't radiant heating IR? :?
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by nick c » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:52 am

Sparky,
Posts were removed from this thread because they violated forum rules. Obviously, any responses to those posts had to also be removed as they no longer had any context.
Ultimately, Ras' posts are in the category of "conspiracy theories." Any evidence that disproves his hypothesis is the result of a massive conspiracy by the government, NASA, academia, etc., etc., etc....


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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by GaryN » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:53 pm

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NASA should really be made to post a disclaimer with these images, something like
" This image is the end result of data acquired by specialised, ultra-sensitive instruments, which is then intensively processed by multiple high performance computers and then coloured and fine-tuned by computer graphics specialists. If you were out in space with Cassini, your eyes would see nothing at all."

Anyway, at least the image does show, with good accuracy I believe, just how orderly and well defined the system is, a fact that I find hard to understand if it is all due only to gravity. Just too neat and tidy.
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by GaryN » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:19 pm

Comet ISON from the International Space Station. Just as expected, it has to be viewed by using the Earths atmosphere. Of course, with them having no view into deep space from the ISS, this can not be taken as proof that nothing could be seen out a 'back window', but it certainly helps perpetuate my opinion that NASA is, in many ways, F.O.S.

http://www.nasa.gov/content/comet-ison- ... qTrr996x-4
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by Sparky » Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:42 pm

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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by GaryN » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:30 pm

Thanks Sparky. The Iranians throughout history have been discoverers and innovators in many fields, science, astronomy, poetry even! In this case, he mentions with sunspots that there is less creation of light 'fragments', but I of course differ here. The light created by the Sun is not visible to our eyes, it is UV and above in nature and our atmosphere creates the light and heat that reaches the surface of the Earth through EM 'beams'.
Interestingly, in the book I just got a hold of, "Cosmic Machinery in an Electro-Magnetic Universe" the author also states that he believes light and heat are created within the atmosphere, but from a process of friction between EM corpuscles, in a "field of force" rotating around the Sun and Earth. More like an Aether explanation, though he never once uses the term Aether.
Anyway, I'm a dreamer of a Utopian world, and I hope Keshe is on to something that, assuming real, and allowed to proceed, would lead us a giant step closer to such a scenario. Clean, free or almost free energy is the key to that Utopia I think.
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by GaryN » Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:57 pm

Molecular clouds in the whirlpool galaxy appear to be embedded in fog
A multi-year study of the Whirlpool galaxy (M51) has changed our understanding of giant molecular clouds, in which stars are born. The new study, which mapped 1,500 such clouds, shows that, instead, they are embedded in a kind of molecular fog, which permeates the whole of the galactic disc.
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http://phys.org/news/2013-12-molecular- ... edded.html

I think it is the astronomers who are in a fog. M51 is a good example of what Katirai discussed, that this is a sun, not a galaxy, and that the size and distance they come up with is off by a country mile, as they are mistaken about red shift. Any stars thay think they see will be planets or moons. To say thay can see stars at that distance is rediculous, as they can not show us a good view of a star at 4 light years, never mind 17 million. They are seeing the charged shells of (usually) neutral elements that surround all planets, and their moons, or even smaller objects.
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by GaryN » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:48 pm

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Maybe I need a new monitor, but isn't this image from the Chinese lander on the Moon kind of dark? It also appears that artificial lighting was used as the fall-off in brightness is quite rapid outside of the central brighter area. I think the cameras have automatic exposure levels, and are likely to have some difficulty getting good images with the strange lighting on the Moon. The landing time would be early morning, Lunar time, but with no atmosphere, then as soon as the Sun is up, it should be in full sunlight. The light, IMO, is all from Earthshine, perhaps some 'airglow' from energised ionospheric elements.
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by Sparky » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:58 pm

Are we sure that they got to the moon? :?
Looks like Arizona... :shock:


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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread post by GaryN » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:53 pm

Are we sure that they got to the moon?
I have to give the Chinese credit if they did get there. No messing, no delays, images available almost straight away. NASA would have dragged the process out for weeks.
Looks like Arizona...
And that Arizon surface gets burning hot, so on the Moon the Sunlight should be even harsher. I've got a burn from picking up an object left on the ground in open sunlight, the lander and rover must get really hot with no molecules to carry away the heat, just relying on re-radiation back to space. Not sure if they have any active cooling system.
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