The Boring Sun

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby GaryN » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:18 pm

Maybe far fetched, but could this be why they use green filters
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From what I read, the filters are chosen based on what previous missions have found, and what they expect to find. These instruments are multi-spectral, not hyper-spectral, so what they can see is actually very limited and often the interpretation of what the instruments are detecting can vary depend on who is doing the interpreting. With 67P for example the same lines were interpreted in 3 different ways, so this is not an exact science, but is a very complex one, and something so complicated must be considered open to errors or misnterpretation.
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby fosborn_ » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:07 pm

I actually held my breath clicking this link...
This Is The Biggest Myth About Outer Space, According To A NASA Flight Controller

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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby Cargo » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:35 pm

"Gravity is the curvature of spacetime due to the presence of mass."
There's the myth right there. What complete nonsense...
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby ja7tdo » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:29 pm

Cargo wrote:"Gravity is the curvature of spacetime due to the presence of mass."
There's the myth right there. What complete nonsense...


YES, universe and the gravity on the ground are different powers.Gravity acting on gas and solid is also different.Mass does not produce gravity.Gravity is a complex force.

https://etherealmatters.org/article/com ... hs-gravity
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby GaryN » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:22 pm

Looking at the recent images of asteroid Ryugu taken with the Optical Navigation camera on Hayabusa 2 I wondered if all those bits that seem to be rocks might instead be the parts of the main body that just have not been eroded?
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No info on the filter used and exposure times but I did find some images from earlier in the mission.
This one of Saturnis using the same camera, a 550nm filter and 11.14 second exposure.
http://www.darts.isas.jaxa.jp/pub/hayab ... vf_l2a.jpg
Not many stars in that shot, what would our eyes see?
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby Cargo » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:16 pm

Stars!!! From the Dark Side of the Moon.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/gif/2018/08/ ... es_GIF.gif

Taken from an equally strange topic about impact flashes on the moon. :)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... rface.html
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby GaryN » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:46 am

These flashes are only observable from Earth at visible wavelengths as it is Earths atmosphere transforming the UV or higher wavelengths generated when the incoming object discharges in the lunar atmosphere or close to the surface.
Also, there are no functioning seismic sensors on the Moon to confirm an impact, and a discharge event would have a different signature or perhaps produce nothing at all.
And all those little mole hill like protrusions on the lunar surface that the Apollo crews reported and were photographed by the Chang'e lander can not be explained by an impact mechanism.
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby D_Archer » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:33 am

GaryN wrote:These flashes are only observable from Earth at visible wavelengths as it is Earths atmosphere transforming the UV or higher wavelengths generated when the incoming object discharges in the lunar atmosphere or close to the surface.
Also, there are no functioning seismic sensors on the Moon to confirm an impact, and a discharge event would have a different signature or perhaps produce nothing at all.
And all those little mole hill like protrusions on the lunar surface that the Apollo crews reported and were photographed by the Chang'e lander can not be explained by an impact mechanism.


I agree, the walnut sized impactors are just assumed, there is no evidence for them.

The flashes are electrical discharges. (IMNSHO)

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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby Cargo » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:25 pm

I would also note after a closer look, that some of the dots which appear to be Stars are in fact camera artifacts. They do not change in frame along with the environment perspective. I think I only see one or two actual stars. But the noise is pretty high.
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:38 pm

The flashes are seen from an Earth based telescope, so sure it could see stars if there were any in the field of view. Lets try the same experiment from space.
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby GaryN » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:16 pm

The only imaging instrument aboard the Parker Solar Probe is the WISPR (Wide-Field Imager for Solar Probe Plus) telescope that will be looking at the corona, and not the Sun itself.

WISPR
https://www.nrl.navy.mil/ssd/branches/7680/WISPR

For full specs, place https:// in front of orbi.uliege.be/bitstream/2268/200751/1/The%20Wide-Field%20Imager%20for%20Solar%20Probe%20Plus%20(WISPR).pdf
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WISPR will observe the Thomson-scattered light from the solar wind electrons.

Thomson Scattering:
http://hutchinson.belmont.ma.us/tth/tth_example2.html

WISPR is operated by the Naval Research Laboratory, the sensor was developed by the Sarnoff Research institute, now owned by SRI International, formerly the Stanford Research Institute.

So we wont see that nice fiery orange Sun itself as the probe approaches, pity.
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:17 pm

ASU astrophysicist helps discover that ultrahot planets have starlike atmospheres
Recent observations by NASA's Hubble and Spitzer space telescopes of ultrahot Jupiter-like planets have perplexed theorists. The spectra of these planets have suggested they have exotic — and improbable — compositions.

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Present day astronomy is a joke. Astronomers begin with an assumption and then, using a great deal of circular reasoning, reach ever more ludicrous conclusions. Not one astronomer has been able to explain to me why the stars are visible by eye from Earths surface, but not from outside of Earths atmosphere. The astronauts were mistaken, or not sufficiently dark adapted.
Quora is now using the same tactics on me that Youtube and Reddit did. If I am not logged in then my comments do not show up to myself or anyone else, restricting the number of people who can ever see my answers or posts. Questions to one past astronaut are removed with no reasons given or notification that they have been removed, even though my answers and comments reference NASA official documents, comments by the astronauts themselves, and papers authored by some highly qualified scientists.
So lit is likely that most of what they are detecting out there and classing as stars are really planets of unknown size and distance with electrically and not thermally hot atmospheres.
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:39 pm

A little disappointing that we have not seen the solar corona from the Parker Solar Probe yet. An impressive photograph was taken from Earth in 2009, shouldn't we be seeing something like this already?
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Parker Solar Probe.
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On Sept. 25, 2018, Parker Solar Probe captured a view of Earth as it sped toward the first Venus gravity assist of the mission. Earth is the bright, round object visible in the right side of the image.
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby GaryN » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:22 am

Since 13 September, ESA’s Mars Express has been observing the evolution of an elongated cloud formation hovering in the vicinity of the 20 km-high Arsia Mons volcano, close to the planet’s equator.

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http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space ... ious_cloud
The images are from the webcam and not the high resolution camera, would be interesting to see what's happening much closer in. Also, if this water ice cloud forms leeward of this 'volcano', why not at the others?
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Re: The Boring Sun

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:02 pm

Delayed but still determined, the ILO team is moving ahead. I really hope, unlike the efforts of the Amateur Space Telescope team, that this mission gets off the ground.
The ILO-1 mission, originally planned to be launched in 2008, is now scheduled to be launched in 2019

International Lunar Observatory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... bservatory

The ILOA had an MOU with the Chinese to use the Chang'e 3 landers telescope to image the galaxies, but there was only the UV galaxy images, very noisy though due to the UV bright lunar sky. This image has been processed.
https://archive.schillerinstitute.com/e ... x_opt.jpeg
Original:
https://i0.wp.com/hobbyspace.com/Blog/w ... =742&ssl=1

MOU
http://iloa.org/media/ILOA%20Hawaii%20T ... tWatch.pdf

ILOA Home page:
http://iloa.org/

Astrophysics From the Moon’s Advantages
http://www.spaceagepub.com/ilo/ilo.advantages.html
Canadensys is the prime contractor:
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http://www.canadensys.com/programs/ilo-1/

If my suspicions are correct the radio telescope will not work worth a damn either.

Here is another device that I'm pretty sure won't work as envisioned, if it gets off the ground, and pointed away from Earth from LEO. Probably be some significant difference in results from the balloon as compared to surface measurements too.

NASA team to fly first-ever coronagraph to determine the formation of the solar wind
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/20 ... -the-solar
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