An Open Letter to the Electric Universe Folks @ Thunderbolts

[mathew]

Hello Folks-

I am writing this letter to you all, because I have great respect for the work being done here. As Wallace Thornhill has stated: “From the smallest particle to the largest galactic formation, a web of electrical circuitry connects and unifies all of nature."

The understanding that electrical connections are fundamental to the physical world, is a key to grasping how the Twin Towers, and many other buildings, cars, and other physical matter, 'came apart' on September 11th 2001, an event which has 'altered the world as we know it'. As such, we all have rights, and responsibilities to investigate, discuss and come to some type of understanding of such events, as they most definitely and directly affect our world.

I understand that the topic of 9/11 is very sensitive. For this reason I have been polite and open to those engaging in discussion. Now coming up on the ten year anniversary, and out of respect for the victims, and families/friends affected, (i.e. my significant other lost a friend that day) we should all be able to reasonably debate/discuss this topic in a scientific manner. My posts on the Thunderbolts forum have been just that, reasonable and scientific. Backed up with data and first hand information from many sources.

Recently, this topic has been subjected to treatment that is, to say the least, disheartening. I thought, due to the history and nature of the subject matter concerning the Electric Universe, that the forum would be open, empirical, and science/evidence based. Apparently, this is Not the Case, as a certain member/administrator has been allowed to attack myself, and post misleading, misdirecting, and erroneous material, and then Lock the thread down.

Further, the fact that the book "Where Did the Towers Go? Evidence of Directed Free-Energy Technology on 9/11" is now in print, and was written by the highly qualified Judy Wood, BA, MS, and PhD, only lends more credibility to the topic in general. By following the evidence, the good doctor has brought new light to a highly controversial and contested topic. Dr. Wood's research, like that of Velikovsky, has started some 'fires', but her candle of investigation is carried solely for illumination.

Surely, those genuinely interested in this topic can research the author's conclusions and offer critical commentary, rather than accusing those who find merit in her investigation of "working to discredit Electric Universe theory" and other such ad hominem attacks. Such emotionally charged attacks "could only serve to polarize the Thunderbolts group." So why is an administrator of the forum engaging in such attacks?

This also makes me wonder why the thread (regarding the book) was removed from the 'Future of Science' board, (where I originally posted it) and moved to the 'New Insights and Mad Ideas' board. The 'Future of Science' board states: 'The role of heretic-pioneers and forbidden questions in the sciences.' Clearly, this was the proper place to post.

I am compelled to write this, as I feel you folks keenly understand, that this treatment of Dr. Wood and the material she presents, is eerily similar to the way Dr. Velikovsky was treated. (Connecting dots that some would prefer remain unconnected.) And indeed, the Electric Universe topic is- by and large, still treated to this very day. Infuriating and sad to be sure, but downright hypocritical for it to happen in this manner. Here of all places.

What would Immanuel Say? Perhaps he might say, "that the battle is over, the critics have won." I would hope that is not the case here at Thunderbolts, for, as I believe- "No matter the outcome of this battle, the time of reckoning is at hand. The voice of Velikovsky's ghost will be heard." A new 'heretic-pioneer' has emerged- her name is Doctor Judy Wood.

Even a cursory look at some of the undisputed scientific information and photos presented by myself will show that this topic is indeed related to the Electric Universe, and is therefore relevant to the forum. Just a bit of research into the work of John Hutchison, with his Tesla coils, Van de Graaff generators, and electro-magnetic spectrum/frequency modulation experiments; and the interest of the military in his work- Well, the evidence speaks all for itself...

The most striking aspect of this whole episode, however, is that Dr. Wood is the only person to actually have conducted an open, forensic, scientific investigation, and gone on the legal record, filing a Qui Tam Lawsuit regarding the events of 9/11, and the destruction of the Twin Towers. This suit ultimately went all the way to the Supreme Court before they upheld the erroneous, and illegal, dismissal by the 'Honorable' Judge George B. Daniels. Outrageous!

I hope that you all can find time to read the thread, and the accompanying links. At least to the point of being able to discern who is spreading mis-information. Deliberately or Otherwise. It will not be a waste of your time, as the events of 9/11 and those that have followed as a direct result have clearly affected us all, and will continue doing so.

In closing, I think that Dr. Judy Wood is the modern day Velikovsky. As there is a concentrated, orchestrated attack on her work and person. I am very saddened to see her work attacked and dismissed in this fashion by a senior member/administrator of the Thunderbolts community. This person is either maliciously misinformed, (and quite rude) and refuses to look at data outside their own personal viewpoint, or is a professional dis-informant. As discussion has been ended, I am forced to write this appeal to "the better angels of our nature" in the spirit of openness and fairness.

Please, take as much time as you need, if you wish to respond, and check the facts for yourself. One thing I had not yet gotten into (in the threads), except for the quote from the book, "Last Man Down", by Richard Picciotto, are the first responder and survivor testimonies. There is even more compelling evidence in these testimonials, which supports the work of Dr. Judy Wood. Here is a link to an archived database of such testimonials:

http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/ind ... lysis/txt/

Thank you for your attention, and all the best,

Sincerely

M. Edward Goddard

P.S. For the record, I would like to state that overall, I am very grateful for Thunderbolts, and for all those who make it what it is. Also, for the information and perspective the community has brought to my awareness, and for the space to post what I have posted. For those reasons, I urge you all, not to come away from this open letter with ANY negative feelings. A wise person once said: "The fruits of progress are sown with the seeds of discontent."

Relevant Thunderbolts Forum Threads:
Evidence of Directed Free-Energy Technology
http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... =10&t=4235
Tesla, Hutchison Effect, and Dr. Judy Wood
http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... =10&t=3788

[David Russell23]

What is the argument being presented here? Two planes crashed into the world trade center and the towers came down. That is what happened. If the argument is that there were EM forces at work creating phenomenon that occurred during the collapse I could buy into that -- fire certainly shares characteristics with a plasma state of matter. Perhaps in the extreme conditions of the raging fires some plasma phenomenon could have been occuring.

If the argument is that directed electromagnetic energy beams brought the towers down and that the whole thing was a conspiracy I just think that interpretation is completely at odds with the events of the last 10 years. Is this motivated by the "Bush did this so he could go after Saddam Hussein" nonsense?

[mathew]

What is the argument being presented here?

Critical thinking and rational assessment of scientific data and evidence.

Two planes crashed into the world trade center and the towers came down.

From NIST-

Based on [their] comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.

NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram below). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon.

Does this make sense? NIST is claiming that ALUMINUM Airplanes "severed and damaged [steel] support columns" And that the Entire building(s) failed AT ONCE. Very Interesting.

Is this motivated by the "Bush did this so he could go after Saddam Hussein" nonsense?

No- this is motivated by Empirical, Verifiable, Scientific Data. Please Read-

http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/
http://www.civil.columbia.edu/ce4210/FE ... l/open.htm
http://ocio.os.doc.gov/ITPolicyandProgr ... D01_002619
http://drjudywood.com/

Please Folks, for the sake of Posterity, I would like to respectfully request -
That you please read, At the least, the FEMA and NIST reports BEFORE Commenting.
Thank You.

[Lloyd]

* Mathew, Dave T likes to minimize pointless arguing by discouraging discussion of religion and politics on these boards. He seems to have the moderators allow such discussion if it's relevant to a scientific topic.
* We had a thread on the topic of what brought down the twin towers a year or two ago. At that time a group of scientists found strong evidence that artificial thermite-related explosives were used in the twin towers, based on residue found in dust samples from the area shortly after 9/11/01.
* I watched several Youtube videos of Judy Woods about that time and didn't find her ideas very plausible at all. David Ray Griffin seems to have published the best info on the matter, which includes info from various professional groups whose members doubted the official conspiracy theory primarily involving merely Arab hijackers.

[D_Archer]

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Miles chimes in: http://mileswmathis.com/strike.pdf

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I think pretty much everyone knows that 911 was an inside job

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But lets not forget, Lloyd is right, thunderbolts should steer away from discussing politics without a good scientific reason to do so. I would say to Matthew to continue your quest for thruth of what happened, there is however a caveat; so far (to me anyway) dr Judy Wood seems to have a very weak case scientifically, all the 'evidence' for a direct energy weapon used at 9/11 is weak, since most of it can be explained in a more conventional way.

Maybe a thread discussing direct energy weaponry on the NIAMI board (without mentioning 9/11) is a much better idea.

Regards,
Daniel

[David Russell23]

Mathew, I get from your response that you do not think that the planes and subsequent havoc caused by the almost full load of jet fuel burning brought the twin towers down. So what specifically do you think brought the towers down?

Dave

[Shrike]

Im not an expert but the 2 planes did not bring them down.
they 'might' have hit the buildings but the collapses of the buildings subsequent didn't make no sense.
let alone tower 7 which was not hit at all... yet it came down !!

I said might because the TV footage of it as seen on tv is highly controversial.
all tv shots show one and the same sequence from different angles but with very odd different plane angles.

further more 'Pilots for truth' make it clear that untrained pilots can not steer a airliner at 500Mph at near ground level into a build that narrow http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

Yet yes controlled demolition can as seen by much of us on demolition tv programs.

[David Russell23]

I just read the FEMA report on the collapse of Towers 1 and 2. I see nothing in there that is implausible. It makes a lot of sense. The planes themselves did not cause the collapse. However, the damage they caused shifted the weight distribution to other various points. The subsequent fires from the jet fuel and other flammable materials within the towers caused additional stress by weakening structures and further stressing the remaining weight bearing components of the towers.

Dave

[AndrewDJohnson]

I think people are completely missing the point of Matthews letter.

As with repeated talk of general relativity, quantum theory etc, people have been fooled into thinking 9/11 has nothing to do with energy. It's all just about "politics and terrorism" and stuff - not a science issue.

Well, if you actually use your powers of analysis on the evidence available (courtesy of Dr Wood's website and book), I think you will see Matthew's point very clearly.

"Dave T.. likes?" Can he post here to say what he does and doesn't like? Is he aware of the Hutchison Effect and it's relationship to the Electric Universe Model? Is no one interested in finding out about the likelihood that PTB know all about Electric Universe and Aether Physics - and they have used this knowledge to create weapons - and they used such a weapon or weapons on 911?

Well, if people are not interested in such things, or this forum wants to censor or ridicule discussion of the evidence, then it's pretty remarkable indeed.

[JaJa]

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Miles chimes in: http://mileswmathis.com/strike.pdf

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Some interesting chimes as well...

[davesmith_au]

With respect to mathew and others who have contributed to this thread, and those who have contributed to similar threads in the past, I must ask that discussion of 9/11 not take place on our forum.

Our forum is primarily for discussion of Electric Universe and Plasma Cosmology. Whilst there are quite a few unrelated discussions taking place mainly on the NIAMI board, they are only allowed to continue because those discussions are not polarizing the group.

A discussion of 9/11, no matter how well intentioned or how well referenced or how well argued, will always lead to a polarization of members on our forum. Our forum is not about seeking the "truth" of 9/11 or any other controversial topic out there in interwebsland. If a topic is tending to polarize our group, it will likely be closed down.

There are already a great number of sites discussing 9/11. Should any of our members wish to link to same in their signature, that would not be objected too, assuming the linked site is not a commercial site primarily set up to market a book or some such.

This is not a matter of "scientific evidence" or "proof" or "credibility" or "political will" etc., but a matter of what our forum is for.

Dave Smith.
Forum Administrator.