What is time?

[Nitai]

Time is not real? Then what is Past, Present, and Future?

Time is Eternal. Eternal Time is divided into PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE.

You cannot act upon the PAST, but PRESENTLY, we can change our FUTURE.

There is no measurement there. I am not measuring anything when I say Past, Present, and Future. Those are 3 phases of eternal time.

If anything, we can say that TIME is like GOD and that we are all ultimately under the control of TIME.

Your post is what I think triggered my thought of the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE and IMMOVABLE OBJECT.

As INTELLIGENT MATTER we can view the perspective of TIME as PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE.

The IRRESTISTABLE FORCE or UNIVERSAL TIME can be comprehended by INTELLIGENT MATTER into these three parts. PAST is where we were, or distance travelled as sjw put it and related is the PRESENT, where we are at this moment. The FUTURE is where we are going because the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE or TIME we are IN causes us without concern, pity, intelligence or care to move FOWARD, IRRESTISTABLY in TIME.

That is how we can even make INTELLIGENT choices (most of the time or even unintelligent choices or no choice at all) and yet everything, all MATTER is inside TIME continues to move forward into the FUTURE from the PRESENT moment.

That is why TIME is valuable. While it does not RULE or have CONTROL over the properties of MATTER there is no way to get back what has been done or reverse TIME because all MATTER moves into the FUTURE in the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE.

So thank you Nitai for helping me with this insight.

~Rockgod30

No problem.

Actually, this specific understanding of Eternal Time is covered in the Shrimad Bhagavatam. I consider the Shrimad Bhagavatam to be the highest source of philosophical nectar in all regards.

[mjv1121]

Time is a distance relative to another distance, but only in a mathematical sense and as a necessity of measurement. Conceptually, with the benefit of memory and intellect, time is a series of events or moments. However, with regards to the universe, time is not dimensional and it is not "an aspect of the universe". For the universe, there is only "now". There is no before or after, no past, present and future, only "now". The flow of time is an artefact of sentience, not a property of universal reality.

Worse still is spacetime, which is a mathematical construction of observational reality defined by the speed of observation, which of course, is the speed of light. Modern relativists love this for its intellectual and mathematical complexity, but it is simply an artificial construct to support a purely observational reality that accepts as physically determinant the false premise of observationally dictated photon velocity.

As to whether velocity or acceleration (inertial or gravitational) affects physical processes used as practical measurements of duration, it is not entirely clear or proven. However, it is quite clear that given a basis for absolute rest and motion, one can also define absolute time as measurable. Obviously there is some difficulty and perhaps even fundamental doubt as to the practical implementation of such a concept. Nevertheless, one might be able to formulate a principle that time could be defined by a series of instantaneously tiny but measurable durations. That this could be held as proof of time as an aspect of the universe is still easily deniable, as it relies on cognitive confirmation, which is by definition self defining and self confirming.

A safe and logically simple definition of time would be to say that it is the the continual repetition of instantaneous "nows". It is impossible to argue against the principle that "now" is simultaneous across all infinite space. That it is difficult, if not likely impossible, to confirm simultaneity beyond an extremely local frame, is unimportant. "Now" occurs everywhere simultaneously, it simply cannot be observed, experienced, confirmed or measured. It is from this unavoidable declaration of unprovability that the relativist enigma draws pseudo-intellectual solace and apparent substantiation, but at the expense of a divergence from logic and physical reality, which should come as no surprise since it is a basic requirement for any system of faith.

In summary, time is absolute by logic, but relative by experience. In other words, there is no one definition of time. It depends on the requirements of the participants. The universe requires no time, only "now". A logical definition of "now" requires an absolute time, albeit physically indemonstrable. Living organisms require time as a series of events. Sentient beings require a consistently measurable series of events. Observers require measurement of a series of events and a measurement of relative motion with regards to the medium of observation.

For humans and perhaps more specifically human observers, time exists as a concept, a measurement and an observation, which is a potentially confusing mix of requirements. Clearly time is not spatially dimensional, but it then becomes dimensional by the process of photonic driven observation. Non-photonic observation strips away the dimensional aspect and reveals a glaring logical deficiency of relativist dogma, and shows that the limited speed of light has no place in the consideration of absolute universal time.

Michael

[Nitai]

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In summary, time is absolute by logic, but relative by experience. In other words, there is no one definition of time.

Michael

Actually, you just defined it. Time is Relative in the Relative Realm and Absolute in the Absolute Realm. Time is both.

Simultaneously Relative and Absolute.

Simultaneous oneness and difference.

[Rockgod30]

Wow Michael. You gave me a lot to consider and I will go section by section of your post since it is full of thoughtful and logical arguments.

Time is a distance relative to another distance, but only in a mathematical sense and as a necessity of measurement. Conceptually, with the benefit of memory and intellect, time is a series of events or moments. However, with regards to the universe, time is not dimensional and it is not "an aspect of the universe". For the universe, there is only "now". There is no before or after, no past, present and future, only "now". The flow of time is an artefact of sentience, not a property of universal reality.

I completely agree with you about the first sentance only in the definition of the MEASUREMENT of TIME. That is where I believe the most confusion of the concept of TIME and time measurement has come into mathematics and conceptualization of the human mind. I will also agree in a way there is only NOW in the universe.

TIME or the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE is NOT sentient, alive, aware, or anything like MATTER. TIME is more like SPACE, the void of SPACE or IMMOVABLE OBJECT were we are all IN as MATTER that is INFINITE. Both SPACE and TIME are NOT alive or aware. I agree that TIME and SPACE are not properties since they have none ONLY aspects of the UNIVERSE which, except for INTELLIGENT MATTER, is NOT sentient or alive.

I only say flow of TIME since it is the best comprehension of what is observed. Again you are right the UNIVERSE is not self-aware and MATTER, or INTELLIGENT MATTER, is aware. TIME does not separate itself into PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE. We as MATTER do that. Yet here is where TIME is real and we differ. TIME has passed, the process of MATTER expended and can not be reversed. Other MATTER can take the place of expended MATTER yet this is where TIME has a factor on sentient life. MATTER can not REVERSE the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE of TIME.

Worse still is spacetime, which is a mathematical construction of observational reality defined by the speed of observation, which of course, is the speed of light. Modern relativists love this for its intellectual and mathematical complexity, but it is simply an artificial construct to support a purely observational reality that accepts as physically determinant the false premise of observationally dictated photon velocity.

This is true except in reality TIME did move forward. Let us observe reality, not mathematical probability.

You can't get back the expended energy from the object you just expended energy from. Using the atomic clock in this example of expended energy. You have the atomic clock nearby measuring exactly how a stick of dynamite explodes attaching it to a fuzzy teddy bear (not meaning to be cruel, just adding an emotional element to get the point across) for experimentation of the effects of the explosion.

You record the data and as you do so you realize facts about both MATTER and TIME.

You assumed that since time can be measured, quantified by MATTER using distance calculation and so can MATTER since it is made of elements; that you want to repeat the experiment with the same stick of dynamite you just exploded and the same teddy bear that was attached to the dynamic.

How do you get it back together?

Even giving you the ability to pick up every atom and material effected by the explosion and putting it in a box is there really any way to put the dynamite and the teddy bear back together?

No there is not. Energy has been released from the detonation. The NOW of the explosion happened. The explosion is a NOW of the PAST as the UNIVERSE has moved on as an IRRESTISTABLE FORCE to a different NOW the one after the explosion in your analysis as a being of INTELLIGENT MATTER in TIME.

You can not get back the energy of the detonated dynamite since NOW it is expended MATTER, the material is NOW different. The same with the fuzzy teddy bear since parts were vaporized again the MATTER is now changed.

TIME, the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE, that all MATTER is in NOW cannot be reversed. You can't go back to the moment or NOW that is no longer NOW, or the PRESENT, that NOW is the PAST. Do you see how valuable TIME is? Even though there is an ETERNITY of NOW at every point in SPACE that NOW becomes THEN.

You can calculate, simulate possible outcomes as INTELLIGENT MATTER without detonating the dynamite and damaging the teddy bear. That is what makes us INTELLIGENT, or able to discern the FUTURE that is not yet NOW at the moment of detonation.

We might be able to consider that if we detonate the dynamite then both are not recoverable. The teddy bear and the dynamite. So we consider NOT detonating the dynamite and that the energy of the dynamite and the teddy bear have other uses. Again this is NOW that then becomes THEN. While both the dynamite energy and the teddy bear now exist in this moment of NOW even without the detonation this NOW becomes the PAST.

Or we do NOTHING at all. We leave the dynamite and the teddy bear there ready to explode yet not detonating the dynamite. Even doing nothing as like a point on the graph TIME as the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE causes all MATTER inside TIME to progress from the PRESENT now into the FUTURE now thus even making NO choice or movement becomes the PAST now. The atomic clock measured time passing and even though as INTELLIGENT MATTER we did nothing, TIME did pass and the NOW of the experiment is NOW the PAST as we are in the FUTURE from that point that is NOW the PRESENT we are all IN.

As to whether velocity or acceleration (inertial or gravitational) affects physical processes used as practical measurements of duration, it is not entirely clear or proven. However, it is quite clear that given a basis for absolute rest and motion, one can also define absolute time as measurable. Obviously there is some difficulty and perhaps even fundamental doubt as to the practical implementation of such a concept. Nevertheless, one might be able to formulate a principle that time could be defined by a series of instantaneously tiny but measurable durations. That this could be held as proof of time as an aspect of the universe is still easily deniable, as it relies on cognitive confirmation, which is by definition self defining and self confirming.

A safe and logically simple definition of time would be to say that it is the the continual repetition of instantaneous "nows". It is impossible to argue against the principle that "now" is simultaneous across all infinite space. That it is difficult, if not likely impossible, to confirm simultaneity beyond an extremely local frame, is unimportant. "Now" occurs everywhere simultaneously, it simply cannot be observed, experienced, confirmed or measured. It is from this unavoidable declaration of unprovability that the relativist enigma draws pseudo-intellectual solace and apparent substantiation, but at the expense of a divergence from logic and physical reality, which should come as no surprise since it is a basic requirement for any system of faith.

Here is where the atomic clock comes into play. I have measured these three outcomes. 1)Explode the dynamite along with the teddy bear, 2) Reassigned the materials to other uses, or 3)Do nothing, let both remain unexploded yet not reassigned for other uses.

The atomic clock recorded each out come of lets say 10 hours.

There is no mechanism, clock, or ability of MATTER to get back those 10 hours of NOW. Where the atomic clock comes in is can I reverse the atomic clock?

Sure I can. I recalibrate the measurement I set the clock to 10 hours ago. Did I get back the 10 hours that have passed or the NOW of 10 hours ago?

No I do not. I can't even get back the oscillations of the cessium atom. Those moments of NOW are gone.

I can run this experiment at 10 places all over the world or even UNIVERSE at the same time for 10 hours. At each of these 10 points TIME, UNIVERSAL TIME at ALL of these points in SPACE of NOW has become the PAST. The PAST can not be retrieved. The experiment can be duplicated with similar materials, NOT with same materials I exploded, yet that moment of NOW is over and is the PAST.

The IRRESTISTABLE FORCE of TIME has moved forward into a new NOW or PRESENT that a moment ago was the FUTURE from that PAST moment of NOW.

This is not FAITH. It is an observable aspect of the UNIVERSE. TIME is the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE that all MATTER is INSIDE that is of great value. TIME did not RULE over MATTER. Again TIME has no sentience or consciousness. TIME is a FORCE that is IRRESTISTABLE moving all MATTER inside forward from the PAST, to the PRESENT that is NOW and into the FUTURE that is the NOW that will be that does not regard any choice we make, measurement we construct or observation we make since TIME will NEVER stop, EVER.

TIME is the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE of the UNIVERSE that all MATTER is IN that is eternal.

In summary, time is absolute by logic, but relative by experience. In other words, there is no one definition of time. It depends on the requirements of the participants. The universe requires no time, only "now". A logical definition of "now" requires an absolute time, albeit physically indemonstrable. Living organisms require time as a series of events. Sentient beings require a consistently measurable series of events. Observers require measurement of a series of events and a measurement of relative motion with regards to the medium of observation.

For humans and perhaps more specifically human observers, time exists as a concept, a measurement and an observation, which is a potentially confusing mix of requirements. Clearly time is not spatially dimensional, but it then becomes dimensional by the process of photonic driven observation. Non-photonic observation strips away the dimensional aspect and reveals a glaring logical deficiency of relativist dogma, and shows that the limited speed of light has no place in the consideration of absolute universal time.

Michael

TIME the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE of the UNIVERSE is NOT dependent on ANY participants or MATTER. The SOURCE of TIME does not eminate or come from INTELLIGENCE, MATTER or SPACE. UNIVERSAL TIME is UNIVERSAL TIME.

As stated above absolute time, as you call it, can be demonstrated just by sitting still. As INTELLIGENCE we comprehend TIME even if we do not measure it and again as demonstrated there is nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, we can do to reverse TIME from your moment of just thinking about it.

TIME is not dependent dimensionally to SPACE. TIME is independent of SPACE as a dimension. TIME is not on a plane or FORTH DIMENSION as it is called attached to SPACE. TIME is at ALL points of the infinity that is SPACE, not IN or ON, moving at a right angle, forward, whether TIME is measured or not by MATTER.

TIME is independent of concept. TIME exists, it is real, yet it is not alive or sentient.

I agree with you that TIME is not a spacial dimension. TIME is NOT spacial. TIME is INDEPENDENT of SPACE.

We know that there is NO SPEED LIMIT to the universe. Light is not the absolute speed of travel. So what is?

Instantaneous travel, no limit. 10^1,000 and beyond. INFINITY.

Absolute universal TIME is at ALL points of the INFINITY of SPACE.

That is also how TIME is independent of SPACE. Even instantaneous travel of hundreds of billions of light years in less than a second, in any direction, the next second when you stop is the same moment of TIME from where you left in SPACE.

TIME is the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE that is an observable aspect of the UNIVERSE that is eternal NOW and FOREVER.

~Rockgod30

[kevin]

All of this speed of light is nonesense....all to veil us from the true reality.
Kozyrev is much closer....TIME flows....tempus fugit...in all directions at once.
http://quantumpranx.wordpress.com/2009/ ... /#more-388
kevin

[moses]

http://quantumpranx.wordpress.com/2009/ ... /#more-388
Thanks kevin, this is a step into the new reality. The cylinder reflects and reverses the polarity of one's thought and feeling. This has a cancelling effect which allows the finer reality of consciousness, or experiencing, to arise. Being able to tune into the past or future by resonating with the strength of the Earth's magnetic field is brilliant.
Mo

[JeffreyW]

That's easy! Time is our perception of duration. NEXT! lol

[JeffreyW]

Saying time is real is like saying green is more real than red because there is more green in the forest. lol

[Rockgod30]

Time is not : energy, matter, particles, light, magnetism, aether, vacuum, emptiness or nothingness.

What TIME is NOT isn't the question.

What IS time, is the question of this thread.

So travelesco 'What is TIME?'

That's easy! Time is our perception of duration. NEXT! lol

So JeffreyW you are saying that the source or origin of TIME is the perception of TIME(duration).

You are like many on this thread who believe that TIME is a construct, a concept created by the minds of people to MEASURE one moment of NOW to the next.

Saying time is real is like saying green is more real than red because there is more green in the forest. lol

Very clever, but again it is the same argument that says, because I can measure seconds(green) than the source of the seconds which is my perception(red) or humanity in general's collective perception(red) IS the source of TIME is by your definition (perception). So because the MEASUREMENT of TIME is a human perception and construct then just because there are more seconds, hours, days, and years (green) of MEASURED TIME CAN NOT be more real than my perception(red) of TIME.

Humanity or human perception is NOT the orgin or cause of TIME, or UNIVERSAL TIME. I agree that TIME can only be comprehended or understood by INTELLIGENT MATTER or human beings, but that MEASUREMENT of seconds, hours, days, obits of the planets, light travelling from the stars or even the colors of green and red does NOT originate or eminate from people.

We use our INTELLIGENCE to learn, comprehend, absorb, evaluate, and other wise measure the UNIVERSE or world we are IN but that does not make people the source of the UNIVERSE. Just the source of the measurement.

So what is TIME?

TIME is the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE that moves all MATTER forward from one moment of NOW to the next.

I know TIME, UNIVERSAL TIME, is real by the very measurement of TIME. I know that I or humanity is NOT the source of UNIVERSAL TIME.

Here is what I mean I know TIME is real by the measurement of TIME.

Can I get back the seconds, minutes, hours, years, expended energy, consumed matter, other object or event because I will it to be by changing the MEASURING device I used to comprehend TIME in the UNIVERSE?

If I use an atomic clock can I turn back the cessium oscillations, reclaim the energy expended, the distance the atom oscillated to measure the TIME that has passed by measurement? No. Even if I recalibrated the clock to my will or desire did I really reverse TIME?

Even if I use a regular clock and everyone all over the world collectively, all of humanity, agreed to reverse all clocks in the world did I reverse TIME?

Or I have all power in the UNIVERSE and can command all MATTER in their orbits to be still or reverse their orbits by a hour, a year, or longer did I really reverse TIME?

It is not possible.

Why?

Second Law of Thermodynamics of MATTER.

Expended energy can not be restored. UNIVERSAL TIME can not be reversed, slowed, bend, breached or changed.

This is how SPACE and TIME are separate. Even moving all MATTER, the stars, planets, and galaxies back an hour for example of MEASURED time, UNIVERSAL TIME however has moved forward. TIME is the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE that MATTER can not act ON only IN.

Even though I just moved all the stars, planets and galaxies SPACE is unchanged or effected either since all MATTER is IN the infinity of SPACE as well.

This does not mean UNIVERSAL TIME rules or controls MATTER. TIME is a FORCE, an IRRESTISTABLE FORCE that moves all MATTER forward since all MATTER is IN this IRRESTISTABLE FORCE.

There is NOTHING, no mechanism, clock, distance calculation, string, barrier, theory, concept, imagnination, or anything MATTER can do to reverse, change, slow down, speed up or stop UNIVERSAL TIME.

As human beings, INTELLIGENT MATTER, we can construct virtual worlds that can stop TIME, defy gravity, expand or contract SPACE in simulations.

Simulations, human thought and concept are NOT at all the REAL UNIVERSE. A virtual reality, a mathematical construct in a machine, is the perfect example of the BIG BANG THEORY, parallel universes, black holes, string theory, dark matter, and other imaginations of human beings.

Perception of duration(TIME) is everything in a virtual world and pesky details like the conservation of energy, thermodynamics, and any other LAW of NATURE can be disregarded in favor of the NEW REALITY or VIRTUAL REALITY.

There is no doubt it would be cool, exciting, or amazing to reverse or change TIME.

Yet in the real universe, the one outside the construct of mathematical models that are not based in that real universe, all the energy, electrons, protons, and materials that make up the virtual universe would not be able to violate the LAW of NATURE indefinately.

Entropy would catch up to the mechanism. The components broken down, the system will fall apart, and energy will be conserved. It could take billions of years assuming such a system is maintained. Yet unlike the virtual world TIME, UNIVERSAL TIME, has no beginning or end. A virtual world had a beginning and so there would be an end.

That simple and in a way sad for the virtual world.

The REAL world or universe will and does go on. It is actually a comfort, not a sadness, or even dispear that UNIVERSAL TIME is ETERNAL, INFINITE.

TIME is the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE that all MATTER is IN that is eternal; which cannot be influenced in any way by human perception, imagination, only comprehended and MEASURED by our INTELLIGENCE.

~Rockgod30

[StevenJay]

TIME is the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE that moves all MATTER forward from one moment of NOW to the next.

There are no strings of mutiple "nows" (tantamount to referring to multiple "universes"). There is only Now. Intelligent perception is what creates the illusion of linear time - or multiple moments of Now. It prevents everything from occurring simultaneously and allows for the experience of concepts such as causality.

I don't perceive time as being an irresistable force that propells all of the physical universe in one particular "direction." In other words, I don't see the landscape as being in motion, but rather, it is (for lack of a better word) static. And it is consciousness that is "moving" over it.

We humans experience the Universe from a human scale of perception; a scale of physical existence that is little more than a fleeting whisp of an idea compared to an intergalactic perception of physical existence. It's all about perception - and not just time. Everything.

For the record, and as I've stated elsewhere in these pages, I hold the position that matter is a result of Consciousness, rather than the other way around.

Steve

[Scott MC]

I find Rockgod30s explanation of time fairly uncontroversial, so is Steve's.

Time is a subjective reality and for all intents and purposes absolute, since noone and nothing can in practice alter its passage.

People pay different levels of attention to the passing of it at various times, and for various reasons, but is there anything we know that is actually impervious to time's known effects?

[Rockgod30]

TIME is the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE that moves all MATTER forward from one moment of NOW to the next.

There are no strings of mutiple "nows" (tantamount to referring to multiple "universes"). There is only Now. Intelligent perception is what creates the illusion of linear time - or multiple moments of Now. It prevents everything from occurring simultaneously and allows for the experience of concepts such as causality.

I don't perceive time as being an irresistable force that propells all of the physical universe in one particular "direction." In other words, I don't see the landscape as being in motion, but rather, it is (for lack of a better word) static. And it is consciousness that is "moving" over it.

We humans experience the Universe from a human scale of perception; a scale of physical existence that is little more than a fleeting whisp of an idea compared to an intergalactic perception of physical existence. It's all about perception - and not just time. Everything.

For the record, and as I've stated elsewhere in these pages, I hold the position that matter is a result of Consciousness, rather than the other way around.

Steve

Perception can not be the source of UNIVERSAL TIME. MEASURED TIME, yes. UNIVERSAL TIME, no.

INTELLIGENT MATTER cannot be the source of UNIVERSAL TIME and is NOT.

Now I NEVER said that TIME propells all physical matter and when I say one moment of NOW to the next I mean present into the future.

TIME is NOT connected to SPACE. I have very clearly established that. I also have said there are no parallel universes and if I didn't I am saying it now there are NO PARALLEL universes. Just ONE UNIVERSE.

TIME is not a dimension connected to SPACE as I have said. Then how does TIME 'propell' MATTER forward? TIME does not do that. MATTER is IN the aspect of the universe called TIME, just like MATTER is IN the infinity of SPACE.

There is NO landscape or physical existance of TIME for MATTER to connect to, manipulate or change.

While it is true that human existance is a fleeting whisp of an idea, a brief and bright candle that quickly burns itself out, TIME does not originate from Consciousness or INTELLIGENCE.

MEASUREMENT of TIME I agree does come from the human mind, yet it is demonstratable that UNIVERSAL TIME exists by the very measurement of TIME.

There is NO illusion of UNIVERSAL TIME. Once MATTER follows the second law of thermodynamics the Consciousness or INTELLIGENCE (my understanding of consciousness) will NEVER and cannot reverse, bend, break or stop UNIVERSAL TIME.

What do I mean?

Even with precise measuring devices like an atomic clock or other measurement of TIME you can not get the MATTER to reform into its original state if it has been altered or lost energy.

The oscillations of the cessium atom can not be reversed. The hands of the clock of UNIVERSAL TIME (there are no hands, or mechanism of UNIVERSAL TIME; it is a metaphor) cannot be willed or perceived backward, stopped, or manipulated.

I agree that UNIVERSAL TIME is static, MEASURED TIME is dynamic only because of the different orbits, mathematics, perceptions, consciousness, and other ways that MEASURED TIME can be done.

Just like there is only one UNIVERSE, there is only one TIME.

So I will try to explain again how we know there is a UNIVERSAL TIME.

Simple experimentation.

Make something explode. Dynamite (please be safe), plastic bottle with dry ice (very cool, please be safe), cherry bomb, firework, or other material that can release energy.

After the explosion do it again WITH THE SAME MATERIAL YOU EXPLODED.

You can't do it.

Even if you or I had INFINITE power to somehow recollect all the atoms of the exploded material there is a problem with putting any of it back together.

Second Law of Thermodyamics of MATTER.

With INIFINITE power I would 'somehow' (magic) have to put the engery expended back into the firework (picked one of the exploded material) atom by atom to restore the firework to its original condition. Plus I would have to the same to all MATTER in the UNIVERSE from the SUN, to me and you, everyone and everything since energy was expended at ALL points of MATTER in the UNIVERSE to 'somehow' magically reverse UNIVERSAL TIME.

Do you see just the beginning of how a reversal of UNIVERSAL TIME would not be possible?

Even IF you could do all of that, reverse every particle of MATTER in the UNIVERSE to go back to restore that exploded material and all other changes from that point of the explosion of that firework in the UNIVERSE what will have really been reversed? MEASURED TIME or UNIVERSAL TIME?

MEASURED TIME only would have been reversed.

Because I comprehended the passage of TIME and the reversal of MEASURED TIME since UNIVERSAL TIME is not connected to MATTER and MATTER is IN universal TIME, then nothing happened to UNIVERSAL TIME as it moves forward as an IRRESTISTABLE FORCE.

In other words even with INFINITE power over all MATTER in the UNIVERSE, reversing every atom like moving a clock's hand back or recalibrating a device that measures time there is no mechanism or property of UNIVERSAL TIME to manipulate.

That is why UNIVERSAL TIME is precious and valuable. People let MEASURED TIME rule or control them. The PRESENT will become the PAST, a moment of NOW will never come again as we move into the FUTURE.

TIME is the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE that all MATTER is IN that is eternal; which cannot be influenced in any way by human perception, imagination, only comprehended and MEASURED by our INTELLIGENCE.

~Rockgod30

[StevenJay]

TIME is the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE that moves all MATTER forward from one moment of NOW to the next.

I don't perceive time as being an irresistable force that propells all of the physical universe in one particular "direction."

Now I NEVER said that TIME propells all physical matter and when I say one moment of NOW to the next I mean present into the future.

You said "moves." I said "propells." Is there a difference?

Perception can not be the source of UNIVERSAL TIME.

If one accepts that Consciousness is the base of all that is then, yes, it most certainly can be - and would be.

INTELLIGENT MATTER cannot be the source of UNIVERSAL TIME and is NOT.

I never said that it was. I said that intelligent matter perceives the infinite Now, linearly as past, present and future.

TIME is NOT connected to SPACE. I have very clearly established that. I also have said there are no parallel universes and if I didn't I am saying it now there are NO PARALLEL universes. Just ONE UNIVERSE.

TIME is not a dimension connected to SPACE as I have said. Then how does TIME 'propell' MATTER forward? TIME does not do that. MATTER is IN the aspect of the universe called TIME, just like MATTER is IN the infinity of SPACE.

There is NO landscape or physical existance of TIME for MATTER to connect to, manipulate or change.

I'm not at all sure of where you're going here (other than in circles), because it has nothing to do with anything I've said. Please re-read my words.

[kevin]

I find Rockgod30s explanation of time fairly uncontroversial, so is Steve's.

Time is a subjective reality and for all intents and purposes absolute, since noone and nothing can in practice alter its passage.

People pay different levels of attention to the passing of it at various times, and for various reasons, but is there anything we know that is actually impervious to time's known effects?

I beg to differ, as I have viewed different time.
And I consider that time flows...tempus fugit...time flees.
And I consider it does so in memory fields of opposite spin state that are scalar in their operation.
That the time relative to this planet is symbiotic to the so called rate of gravity which is the net difference between implosion and outrush that oppose each other in vortex fashion.
I consider that john worrell Keely fully understood this also, and that a veil has been kept over the comprehension of time with far higher secrecy levels than nuclear.

I further consider that time is most definately malleable in that the flows of time can be manipulated with carefully positioned resistive materials , and that most of the megalithic structures are to so interact with time.
kevin

[Rockgod30]

You said "moves." I said "propells." Is there a difference?

Yes there is difference. There is NO physical movement since physical movement is a property of MATTER. UNIVERSAL TIME is what moves forward, MATTER is inside the 'flow' or IRRESTISTABLE FORCE of TIME. Propells implies a starting point and an ending point.

I agree that perception is important. As INTELLIGENT MATTER we can MEASURE or PERCEIVE time. It is that same perception of Conciousness or INTELLIGENCE that can even know there is UNIVERSAL TIME.

Again using a graph to represent a rock suspended in the void of SPACE. The rock is the point on the graph. Now while UNIVERSAL TIME moves forward the rock or MATTER does not MOVE. It can not move without an outside force since inertia keeps the rock suspended in SPACE.

Once again we take an atomic clock or any other form of measurement as an observer.

TIME itself will NEVER make the rock move 'forward' physically.

There is movement in the rock such as the electrons and atoms.

Yet the molecules are a solid in form and will slowly break down eventually. (Second Law of Thermodynamics).

That is my point.

As MATTER expends that same MATTER can NEVER be reconstituted to its original state. That is why if you explode a firework you can't reverse UNIVERSAL TIME simply by will (Consciousness or Intelligence), reversing the MEASUREMENT DEVICES or observations.

UNIVERSAL TIME is an IRRESTISTABLE FORCE that has moved forward at ALL points in SPACE from this moment of NOW, the PRESENT, to the next moment into the FUTURE, however MATTER has not moved physically, TIME has moved only in the infinite moments of the PRESENT toward the FUTURE, which is not connected except that MATTER is IN the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE.

There is no clock to turn back, this is what makes UNIVERSAL TIME valuable, not a ruling or controlling force.

Only because of our brief existance compared to the infinity of SPACE and TIME makes TIME a powerful force as UNIVERSAL TIME counts down with our perception, conciousness, or not to the end of our existance.

So the firework that is exploded can not be repeated with the same firework that expended its energy. That is UNIVERSAL TIME. The NOW of when the firework is detonated, the firework will not be able to be reversed back to the PAST to BEFORE the firework was detonated.

It is that simple. Even simplier than a firework is a simple breath, a blink of the eye, or observation of anything of NOW can not be reclaimed, only repeated in a series of breaths and heartbeats to be appriciated even to the end. UNIVERSAL TIME will continue on for infinity and eternity.

That means that UNIVERSAL TIME exists beyond our Consciousness, observations or measurements with MATTER which means these things are NOT the source of TIME, only measured time.

TIME, an aspect of the UNIVERSE, is the IRRESTISTABLE FORCE that all MATTER is IN that is eternal; which cannot be influenced in any way by human perception, imagination, only comprehended and MEASURED by our INTELLIGENCE.

~Rockgod30