Bill McDonald's General Composite of the Roswell Spacecraft

[lizzie]

What People Are Saying About Ringmakers of Saturn
http://www.ringmakersofsaturn.com/theyakers.html

It is almost unimaginable that Dr. Bergrun could privately undertake such a detailed study of NASA Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 photographs of the rings of Saturn. He has discovered how the rings are being formed by emissions emerging from gigantic electromagnetic vehicles (EMV's) possibly being controlled by a form of intelligence.

A study of his book "Ringmakers of Saturn" by a reader is one of detail and constant referral to highly annotated colored NASA photographs. Dr. Bergrun must be congratulated for his thousands of hours of study and documentation of his findings.

Occult Government
http://www.markswatson.com/occultgov.html

Occult Government is a reality that few people on earth either contemplate or understand. It exists and has existed for a very long time. Occult Governments are more of a reality today than they have ever been and few even know what an occult government is or stands for. Neither are they aware of its ultimate aims. Occult government exist today in the worlds most important nations in the modern world.

Occult government must be understood for what it is. The word occult means to be hidden or obscured from view. It is not the nature of those who practice occult arts to broadcast their secret ‘knowledge’ from the housetops. Most who practice these arts swear oaths and make pacts with one another never to reveal the nature of their associations. This makes an investigation of their influence difficult…difficult but not impossible.

The simple but frightening conclusion that all of the available evidence points to is the fact that Occult Government is a reality that has been successfully obscured by pop-culture, mainstream media and to a lesser degree, the governments of the world. One must find a clear and convincing example of Occult government, its patterns and method of operation in an example in the past in order to understand what occult government is.

Brotherhood of Saturn
http://pyreaus.com/downloads/fire_ice_f ... aturni.pdf

The hidden teachings and practices of German occultism have long held a strong fascination for the poet as well as the historian. The largest German secret lodge—the Fraternitas Saturni—revealed neither its membership, its inner teachings, nor its rites.

Still the most active and important magical society in Germany today, the FS has been the object of speculation, suspicion, and suppression. It is only through a chance occurrence that the inner documents of this order were published in Germany. The book you now hold is the first comprehensive interpretive study of these documents and of the inner workings of the FS which they reveal.

Within these pages you will discover the fascinating stories of this order's founders and leaders. You will witness the development of its magical doctrines and practices, its banishment by the Nazis, and its postwar dissentions and conflicts. The Saturnian degree system of initiation will be revealed in full detail, as will some of the order's unique cosmological and sex-magical teachings. A selection of some of the most powerful and unusual rites historically practiced by the FS are also offered.

Fire and Ice throws a unique light on one of the world's darkest and most mysterious philosophical corners. It is a book of accomplished scholarship and a compendium of fascinating anecdote. This text will be found to be indispensable for anyone interested in the history of western occultism of the 20th century.

Saturn and the Occult
http://www.yahuahreigns.com/saturn%20an ... ccult.html

According to "Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated" Moloch/Molek is none other than a pagan god with many names; one of which is Saturn:

"...let's look at who Osiris is. He committed incest with his sister, Isis, which resulted in the birth of Horus the Egyptian god of the dead as well as a Sun God. Osiris is known by many other names in other countries ... In Thrace and Greece, he is known as Dionysus, the god of pleasures and of partying and wine ... Festivals held in Dionysus' honor often resulted in human sacrifices and orgiastic sexual rites. The Phrygians know Osiris as Sabasius where he is honored as the solar deity (a sun god) who was represented by horns and his emblem was a serpent.

The Greeks called it the god "Helios". The Romans called it "Sol". These familiar figures have a long history, and the more one learns about their links to the earlier cultures, the more a mystery of origins comes into focus. Long before Greek and Roman times, the Egyptians worshipped the luminary Atum or Ra, just as the Sumerians honored Utu and the Babylonians the god Shamash. Astronomers and priests celebrated this light of heaven as the "Universal Monarch," the "father" of civilization and the celestial prototype of kings.

The god's station was the summit of the world axis, from which he ultimately fell in a heaven-altering catastrophe. Perhaps the best known story is the Greek account of Kronos, founder of the Golden Age, eventually driven from his seat at the top of the world by his son Zeus.

To what body did these strange traditions refer? Today we take for granted that the ancient words we translate as "helios" and "sol" originated as references to the Sun that illuminates our every day. In many languages the words for this axial figure did indeed become the words for the Sun. But the later identity could not obscure the more archaic idea--of a former, stationary light at the pole, whose every feature defies any identification with the Sun in our sky today.

As strange as it may seem, early astronomical traditions identify the "primeval sun" as the planet Saturn, the distant planet which the alchemists called the "best sun" and which the Babylonians, the founders of astronomy, identified as the exemplary light of heaven, the "sun"-god Shamash. ("Shamash is the planet Saturn", the astronomical texts say.) In archaic copies of Plato's Timaeus, the word for the planet Saturn is Helios, the "sun" god. Popular Greek traditions identified Saturn as Kronos, alter ego of Helios, and Kronos is said to have ruled "over the pole". But only a handful of scholars have bothered to trace the parallel referents in other cultures, or to address the unanswered questions.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 600#p56955

Excerpts from the Murder of Reality, Pierre Sabak – Part 8

In Judaic cosmology the seventh planet Saturn is concealed or rests and is in opposition with Jupiter number six. Usurpation of Jupiter is secretly witnessed on the day of rest, celebrated on the holy day of Saturday, consonant with Saturn.

Philologically the Hebrew word ‘Shabbat’ (Saturday) is comparative to ‘Shabatay’ (Saturn). Observance of ‘Sabbat’ (Sabbath) is symbolic of death, honored through the ‘Shavuoth’ festival, the Jewish (Pentacost) – an iteration of the spring lamb. In Mosaic Law, this cycle designates the ‘seventh year’ – collateral to the ‘Sabbath’ during which the land is allowed to rest.

Religiously the ‘seventh’ day (sheva) stipulates the period of ‘mourning’ (shiva) classified with the ‘morning sun’ and the sacrificial killing of a new child.

Presented as a luminary, the ‘child’ (sabi) is coded speak for ‘burnt offering’ (Greek holokaustron) adjacent to the flashing dragon, encrypted universally. In English, the homonym ‘son’ and ‘sun’ represents ‘sin’ – tokens of the offeratory.

The votive in Greek ritual is linked to ‘Phosphorus’ translated as (Venus) and suggests the ‘holokauston’ human sacrifice literally (burnt offering). The compound ‘phosphorus’ (light-bringer) reads as the homonym (man-offering).

Jay Weidner - Kubrick's Odyssey & The Brotherhood of Saturn
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/20 ... 110306.php

Called by Wired Magazine an "authority on the hermetic and alchemical traditions," and "erudite conspiracy hunter," Jay Weidner is a renowned author, filmmaker and hermetic scholar. He is the producer of the documentary films, "2012 The Odyssey", its sequel "Timewave 2013" and "Infinity; The Ultimate Trip".

Jay joins us to discuss his latest film "Kubrick's Odyssey: Secrets Hidden in the films of Stanley Kubrick". The acclaimed American film director Stanley Kubrick told an important story with all his films and they all connect with each other and communicate a message. The question is if Kubrick was murdered considering what he trying to reveal with his films. We start to examine the film "Eyes Wide Shut" and how it connects with mind control, the elite, satanic, archonic, and demonic forces. We also discuss the Brotherhood of Saturn, the secret space program and Arthur C. Clarke. Topics Discussed: Kubric's Odyssey, Eyes Wide Shut, Operation Monarch, occult, sex-cults, Kubrick murdered, storytelling with films, A.I., pedophilia, Archons, Demons, Lolita, bear symbolism, Jim Garrison, Lee Harvey Oswald, NASA, the real space program, Babalon Bunch, Saturnian Society, JPL, the ringmakers, hexagonal rings on Saturn, , Jupiter, Zeus, Saturn, Set, Buzz Aldrin comments on the Monolith Phobos, Lord of the Rings, Iapateus, Sargon, rings of Saturn, time trap and more.

Jay Weidner reveals how Kubrick faked the Moon Landings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTrzkyzK ... re=related

Brotherhood of Saturn
http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/index.php?n ... ic&p=59552

Weidner: To begin with, I would draw attention to two articles on your site: The Global Coup d'Etat and the one about ownership of the world. The Queen of England owns one sixth of the non-ocean surface of the world; and keep that in mind as we go into the Archon subject. The Archons were whispered about in texts after the burning of the library at Alexandra with some mention of mysterious beings called Archons. But the powers that be spent 1,300 years cleaning up the records and had written out the Archons from our history. In 1947, texts were found in clay jars in Nag Hammadi in Egypt and, on these texts was a story of what the Nag Hammadi people, 2,000 years ago, thought the world was about.

The reason the Nag Hammadi texts, which date back 2,100 years (100 BC), are so important is that no-one has been able to put a spin on it [the texts have not been altered, destroyed or omitted as in the Bible], no-one has been able to distort or destroy them which is what they’d really like to do [to keep the information and knowledge from the masses]. Luckily, they survived, were successfully translated and when many people read them, they found a clear and defined discussion of what these Archons are. The texts had been buried in a deep cave in Egypt, in order to protect the most important information that they had.

Weidner: A highly descriptive document of an entirely different world [from the one we know]. People don’t realise that, 2,000 years ago, there was a religion on this planet called Gnosticism, which was the biggest religion on earth at the time, was vying with Hinduism. You could go take a university course on the history of religions now and wouldn’t even find a mention of Gnosticism. The Nag Hammadi texts provide a description for what the Gnostics believed. Gnostic is a Greek word meaning knowledge – gnosis. The Gnostics believe that liberation can only be achieved by knowledge, by the consumption and evaluation of reality through knowledge. The library at Alexandria was run by Gnostics and they were the first people to collect scrolls and books and assemble this information. Their culture spread throughout Europe and the Middle East. This was long before the advent of the Western religions outside of Judaism which was mostly concentrated in Israel.

Gnostics preached that there was an invasion that occurred about 3,600 BC and, about 1,600 years before the Nag Hammadi texts were buried, they wrote that this invasion was like a virus and, in fact, they were hard pressed to describe it. The beings that were invading were called Archons. These Archons had the ability to duplicate reality, to fool us. They were jealous of us because we have an essence of some kind, a soul, that they don’t possess, and the Nag Hammadi texts describe the Archons. One looks like a reptile and the other looks like an unformed baby or a foetus. It is partially living and partially non-living and has grey skin and dark, unmoving eyes. The Archons are duplicating reality so that when we buy into it, when we come to believe that the duplicated, false state reality is the real reality - then they become the victors.

Rense: The Archons seem to be making their big move now, at this time. You can find out about the Nag Hammadi Library on the Internet, which is the living record of the great Gnostic movement. Gnostics and Templars seem to have been all but cleansed from history. How, in the texts, have the Archons been described as coming here? Is there any reference to their mode of transit, travel?

Weidner: Supposedly, they live or lurk outside the inner planets near Saturn i.e. in our solar system. The Gnostics thought that Jehovah was an alien, off planet, demon and that he was a fake god – a masquerading Archon again - duplicating reality. They did believe in God, they believed in what they called the one true God and that’s how they always defined it. Interestingly, Jesus defined his belief as being of the one true God, always delineating it. I believe many of the stories of Jesus are actually Gnostic myths about a possible rebellion against the Archons who came down very severely on the rebel.

So the Archons were released somehow from a prison – and this is probably what The Book of Enoch is about – where he said he took the demons and locked them in a box but that they would come back at the end of time. Jesus was very interested in relating this idea that something was going to happen at the end of time. So you see this illusion going on and then we see also that when Sitchin translated the texts, the cuneiform tablets, that the Annunaki are probably also the Archons. So we can learn more about the Archons by reading about the Annunaki who came here and altered us genetically [using our DNA] so that they could make slaves of us.

So we can work out a picture of what these Archonic forces are. They were somehow successfully quelled and then began their re-emergence and they are as close to immortal as we could understand and that’s why their plan is so precise but they needed time to gain power because, the people of the earth were essentially Gnostics who were resistant to, and didn’t believe in the “religion” that was being foisted on them where they must be fearful of an angry, war god called Jehovah. But eventually, the forces of Jehovah conquered the last of them and now they are pretty much in control of the system and are getting ready for the final, gleeful [sarcastic] orgy of despair and horror [imposed upon humans] which is what they like. So, following Tim Rifat and his horrific description of what is about to happen. This is very appropriate, very accurate because this is exactly what they want to occur.

Satan’s children
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bigge ... cret15.htm

The black magic rituals we know as Satanism are the modern expression of the rituals and human sacrifice in ancient Babylon and the Brotherhood infiltrated societies of the Sumerian, Phoenician, Hittite, Egyptian, Canaanite and Akkadian peoples, among many others across the world.

Satanism is just another name for the worship of a highly destructive, negative force which has been given endless names over the centuries: Nimrod, Baal, Moloch or Molech, Set, the Devil, Lucifer, etc.

The Satanic networks, under the names of their various deities, were created by the Babylonian Brotherhood to serve their needs. We have seen that the accounts of the Watchers and their offspring, the Nefilim, include references to their blood drinking activities.

The Brotherhood knows that blood contains the life-force energy. Drinking menstrual blood has always been a feature of the reptilian bloodlines because they need blood to live in this dimension. It was known as the Star Fire, the female lunar essence. The female menstrual cycle is governed by the cycles of the Moon and the blood contains that energy. Its ingredients are supposed to ensure a long life. In India it was called soma and in Greece it was ambrosia, some researchers suggest.

Blood drinking is in their genes and an Elite high priestess or ‘Mother Goddess’ in the hierarchy, who performed rituals for the Brotherhood at the highest level, told me that without human blood the reptilians cannot hold human form in this dimension. Her name is Arizona Wilder, formerly Jennifer Ann Greene.

Interestingly, she said that the reptilians had been pursuing the Aryan peoples around the universe, because the blood of the white race was particularly important to them for some reason and the blond-haired, blue-eyed genetic stream was the one they wanted more than any other.

They had followed the white race to Mars, she said, and then came to Earth with them. It is far from impossible that the reptilian arrival on this planet in numbers was far more recent than even many researchers imagine. An interbreeding programme only a few thousand years ago between the reptilian Anunnaki and white Martian bloodlines already interbred with the reptilians on Mars would have produced a very high reptilian genetic content. They appear to need a particular ratio of reptilian genes before they can shape-shift in the way that they do.

Satanism is based on the manipulation of energy and consciousness. These rituals create an energy field, a vibrational frequency, which connects the consciousness of the participants to the reptilians and other consciousness of the lower fourth dimension.

This is the dimensional field, also known as the lower astral to many people, which resonates to the frequency of low vibrational emotions like fear, guilt, hate and so on.

These rituals invariably take place on vortex points and so the terror, horror, and hatred, created by them enters the global energy grid and affects the Earth’s magnetic field. Thought forms of that scale of malevolence hold down the vibrational frequency and affect human thought and emotion. What we call ‘atmosphere’ is the vibrational field and how it has been affected by human thought forms.

Satanic rituals generally take place at night because that is when the magnetic field is most stable. During the day the electrically charged particles of the solar wind cause turbulence in the field and make interdimensional connection more difficult. It is most stable during total eclipses and this is when native peoples held their most important ceremonies to contact and manifest other-dimensional entities.

The sacrifice of the king or ruler to appease the gods is another ancient tradition. In the so-called cradle of civilization, North Africa and the Near East, where the Anunnaki and the Watchers were documented, there were human sacrifices, particularly of children.

The same stories can be found in Ireland and Scotland. Irish myth says that Ireland was first peopled by a greedy group of gods called the Formorians who demanded two thirds of the children born each year. The Phoenicians and their kinsmen, the Carthaginians, sacrificed humans on a large scale and so did the Canaanites.

Another theme is the sacrifice of the first born child, most often the first born son. In some aboriginal tribes in Australia, the mother would kill and eat the first born child to ensure she would be able to have more. The sacrifice of the first born of animals and humans was quite common and is mentioned in the Old Testament.

Remember in Genesis how ‘God’ (the gods) insisted that Abraham sacrificed his first born son to them to test his faith and obedience. Sacrificing the first born son is a way of testing a person’s commitment to the cause. Yahweh-Jehovah makes it plain in the Book of Numbers that ".... all the first born of Israel are mine, both man and beast,” and in Exodus, Yahweh demands that “The first of all thy sons shalt thou give unto me.”

The Bible says that Abraham came from the Sumer city of Ur and excavations in 1927 by Sir Leonard Woolley in the Royal Cemetery there revealed widespread evidence of human sacrifice in graves dating from about 2,800 BC. The Scythians, the people who transported many of the Aryan bloodlines and rituals into Europe, did the same.

The cult of the skull as a focus of ritual has recurred again and again in this story with the Templars, the Rennes-le-Chateau mystery, and the Skull and Bones Society in the United States.

The demon worshippers of Bel/Baal/Nimrod in Canaan, Babylon and Phoenicia engaged in human sacrifice, cannibalism, and child murder in the name of Moloch or Molech, an aspect of Nimrod/Baal, as part of their religious rituals. Baal (lord or ruler), the supreme god of the Canaanites and Phoenicians, was said to be the giver of life and Moloch was the destroyer of life. Both demanded appeasement by sacrifice. Baal or Moloch became identified with the Roman god Saturn.

In honor of Baal, the Sun god and god of fire, the Carthaginians, following the rituals of the Phoenicians and Canaanites, rolled children into a fiery pit made in the shape of the image of Baal/Moloch.

The ritual names for the ‘demons’ are still the same today as those used in the ancient world and by later groups like the Templars.

“Children say the word Satan is used more frequently than any other, but other demons include Baphomet and Behemoth. Molech (Moloch) seems to be one particularly associated with eating babies, and one called Choronzon. These do seem to be particularly involved with sacrificing babies.”

Choronzon relates to Chronos, the Greek version of Nimrod. According to Greek legend, Chronos swallowed his children as fast as they were born because he feared they would overthrow him. Chronos was the most powerful of the Titans, the Greek name for the giants who resulted from the interbreeding of the reptilians with the human, ‘daughters of men’. Greek myth symbolically referred to them as children of the union between heaven (extraterrestrials) and Earth (humans).

Chronos was the father of Zeus who survived because his mother hid him from her child-killing husband. Zeus later waged a victorious war against his father and other Titans and then ruled as the King of Gods over a dynasty awash with child sacrifice. As you connect the different peoples across the generations, so you find the same themes of human sacrifice. The Cannanite-Hebrews were seriously into the sacrifice of humans and animals, much as their spin doctors have tried to deny it over the years.

Satanism at its core is about the manipulation and theft of another person’s energy and consciousness. In olden times they called it “soul snatching”.

The Key of Solomon is a book of occult magic which legend claims was written by ‘King Solomon’ himself. It includes the pentagram in its instructions of how to invoke demons and make sacrifices to demons. The inner core of the Knights Templar was involved in black magic ritual and the Templars were accused of what today we call Satanism and of rejecting Christianity by denying Christ and spitting on the cross.

They were said to worship a demon power called Baphomet, a black magic symbol, also known as the Goat of Mendes. Capricorn (the goat, also symbolized by the unicorn) is the sign of the initiate and it represents political power, while Leo (the Sun, the lion) represents royal power.

Hence the lion is the King of the Jungle and is the main symbol on the flag of the British royal family. The planet Saturn rules Capricorn while the Sun rules Leo and Satanists and black magicians are very much focused on the Sun and Saturn in their rituals.

The Saturn vibration has a much bigger impact on the Earth than is recognized. In astrology it is the planet of law and authority. Capricorn, the sign of authority, is also, according to astrologers, the astrological sign of England, that centre of global control.

The name, Baphomet, is reckoned to derive from Greek words meaning baptism of wisdom or knowledge (initiation) and Dr Hugh Schonfield, one of the experts on the Dead Sea Scrolls, says that using the code of the Essenes, the word Baphomet can be translated to ‘Sophia’, the goddess of the Gnostics, and the Greek word for wisdom. Sophia is another name for the female energy. Schonfield is sure there is a link between the Templars and the Essenes.

He has demonstrated that the Templars used the same code, the Atbash Cipher, employed in some of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Other accusations against the Templars were of killing children and teaching women how to abort.

The secret password of Freemasonry is Tubal Cain, a descendant of the biblical Cain, who was an Anunnaki crossbreed. Tubal Cain’s sister, Naamah, is said to have been the one who brought human sacrifice and cannibalism into the world.

Tubal Cain is known as the father of witchcraft and sorcery and thus his name is a Freemasonic password.19 The ‘G’ on the symbol of Freemasonry stands for Gnosticism (knowledge, knowing) and for generation, the fertility rites of the sex cults of ancient Baal and Ashtoreth.

Nimrod was Eannus, the god with two faces, who was later known to the Romans as Janus.

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Nice posting with links Lizzie.

Just will add at this time Abraham is the same as Abram, and as you pointed out; from Sumer.

I dont believe in any of those 'books' but only see interesting threads coming thru that link to a far more older time.
Interesting too is that,as the story goes, that after this Cain character killed Abel, this 'God" made him leave the area. And Cain was then afraid that others would see him and fall upon him. So "God" placed a mark on Cain so incase others did cross paths with Cain, they would not kill or abduct him.

So who or what was this Cain afraid of ? This "mark" that was placed on Cain must've been something that was recognizeable by those "others" out there.

Also, the Egyptians had a ritual that was a King-Making process. Its very similar to a ritual performed in Freemasonry. Very damn close actually. And it was this Moses character that was schooled in the Egyptian Mystery Schools of that time; as he was a member of Egyptian Royalty elite. Notice how the serpent is an emblom of wisdom and Moses was very close with the "serpent".

So a 'redeemer' is going to come back with a sword ? Hmm

[lizzie]

Avatar, Chriron and The Impact Of Planetary Discovery Upon Consciousness And Culture
http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1682

The oft-controversial Chiron was discovered in 1977. This “asteroplanecomet” is often referred to the wounded healer of the zodiac. It has its own orbit and moves quite slowly through the various signs. Perched between Saturn and Uranus it could be part of the planet, “Fenix” often referred to as “Maldek.” It was the fifth planet from the Sun and supposedly got tangled up into a nasty war between some agro-aliens and had to be taken out for the sake of everyone. That’s one version. Out of Fenix/Maldek, Chiron was ejected. It’s the largest surviving chunk of the former planet.

Asteroid Belt
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_8.htm

Leading models of solar system formation hold that as the Sun gathered itself together out of a cloud of gas and dust, the leftovers settled into a vast disk that rotated around the newborn star and gradually flattened out.
In the early years of our solar system, dust grains collided and coalesced, and the seeds of asteroids, comets and planets were formed. The gravity of some of the more distant protoplanets attracted gas, and Jupiter and the other gas giants developed. These giant planets swept much of the dust disk clean. Most of the rest of the debris spiralled in and was swallowed by the Sun or was driven out of the solar system.

Asteroids are primoridal objects left over from the formation of the Solar System. While some have suggested that they are the remains of a protoplanet that was destroyed in a massive collision long ago, the prevailing view is that asteroids are leftover rocky matter that never successfully coalesced into a planet. Most planetary astronomers still believe that the planets of the Solar System formed from a nebula of gas and dust that coalesced into a disk of dust grains around the developing Sun. Within the disk, tiny dust grains coagulated into larger and larger bodies called planetesimals, many of which eventually accreted into planets over a period as long as a 100 million years.

However, beyond the orbit of Mars, gravitational interference from Jupiter's huge mass prevented protoplanetary bodies from growing larger than about 1,000 km (620 miles).

It has been estimated that the total mass of the Main Asteroid Belt may total less than 1/1000th of the mass of the Earth. Indeed, if all asteroids down to the size of meter- or yard-sized boulders or less were combined together, the resulting object would measure less than 1,300 to 1,500 km (810 to 930 miles) across, which is less than one third to one half the diameter of the Earth's Moon.

The Main Asteroid Belt is only a small remnant of the material that once resided in the region between Mars and Jupiter, but once may have contained between two to 10 Earth masses of material. However, T-Tauri-type Solar winds from a very young Sun, gravitational perturbations from Jupiter developing nearby, and dynamic interactions with other large planetesimals and protoplanets during the first 100 million years, and continuing collisional grinding over the following 4.5 billion years after the formation of the planets, interfered with the formation of a substantial, single planet and caused most of the mass to be lost to the rest of the Solar System and interstellar space.

The problem with Asteroid Belt being the remnants of a destroyed planet is that its total mass is very small, very much less than the mass of the Moon, in fact. It's also very difficult to destroy a planet. A collision with a comet or the combined gravities of the Sun and Jupiter are unlikely to destroy a planet.

A collision with a comet would leave a large crater on a planet but would not release enough energy to destroy the planet. For example, the largest craters on the moon, which make up the "seas", are thought to have been caused by collisions with objects a few kilometres in size (about the same size as the solid nucleus of a comet). These impacts were large enough to leave craters hundreds of kilometres across and also to break through the solid crust of the moon and allow molten lava to flow up and create the dark basalt that we see, but clearly the moon was capable of surviving the impacts intact.

Likewise, the gravities of the Sun and Jupiter are too weak at the distance of the asteroid belt to destroy a planet, although they would influence the shape of its orbit if a planet were there.

It is possible for gravity to destroy a planet or moon if it passes within a distance known as the Roche Radius (or Roche Limit) of another body. The Roche Limit defines the distance from the centre of a planet or star within which a large, solid body would be torn apart by tidal forces. It is also impossible for a moon to form within this distance for the same reason. However, the Roche Limit is a fairly small distance in astronomical terms, only a few times the radius of a planet, if that. For example the small particles which make up the rings of Saturn all lie within Saturn's Roche Limit. They may be material left over from the formation of Saturn, unable to form into a moon because they are too close to the planet.

The Exploded Planet Hypothesis (EPH) is a term used both in science and in the study of religion and myth. Whilst there may be a profound connection between these two fields of study, it is vitally important to make the distinction between the EPH of science and the EPH of religion and myth.

The EPH of religion and myth proposes that the ancient religions of Egypt, Mesopotamia and Greece were ‘exploded planet cults’, and that the modern religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are occulted forms of the same. Further, that ancient sages used myth as a vehicle to encode the ‘true story’ of the exploded planet, thus ensuring its transmission to posterity.

The EPH of religion and myth is the brainchild of the English researcher Alan F. Alford, who first advocated the theory in his book ‘The Phoenix Solution’ (Hodder and Stoughton, 1998), and then clarified and expanded it considerably in his books ‘When The Gods Came Down (Hodder and Stoughton, 2000) and ‘The Atlantis Secret’ (Eridu Books, 2001).

As at 2001, the EPH of religion and myth remains a new and innovative theory, which has yet to be tested by independent academics. It has, however, passed with flying colours all of the tests Alan Alford has thrown at it, including the mysteries of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Greek, Jewish and Christian religions, the entirety of Greek mysticism including, most notably, Plato’s story of Atlantis, and several other as yet unpublished studies including the Holy Grail, the Great Pyramid of Giza, and the sacred calendar of the Maya.

As a general rule, academia treats theories from outside its own ranks with great suspicion and changes its orthodoxy in accordance with Orphic time scales. Nevertheless, Alan Alford’s EPH has won support ‘in principle’ from two highly respected English academics, Michael Rice and Christopher Gill.

Jupiter And Saturn Played Pong With Uranus
http://gizmodo.com/5641776/jupiter-and- ... ith-uranus

New simulations suggest that Jupiter and Saturn may have played a bit of planet Pong with Uranus. That is, Uranus got in Saturn's orbit so it was tossed to Jupiter's orbit and then tossed back and forth until it finally settled.

The back and forth game of planet Pong happened three times (and probably lasted 100,000 years) before Uranus was tossed outside of Saturn's orbit which it then settled in, peacefully. Tossing Uranus would have caused Jupiter and Saturn to recoil, shifting their orbits back as well.

[lizzie]

Were the Pleiades once part of the Ursa Major Constellation? Was Alycone at one time the Pole Star. Merope and/or Electra were considered to be the "lost Pleiad". Electra became the "Fox Star" or Alcor in the Great Bear Constellation. Did Orion "move" the Pleiades to the Bull (the Taurus Constellation)

The Pleiades
http://hans.wyrdweb.eu/tag/merope/

The Pleiades are an important reference point in Calenders. The famous Mayan Calender the Tzolkin was based on the cycle of the Pleiades. The Pleiades were seen as the tail of a rattlesnake called, Tz’ab (the Milky Way).

The Mayas and other Civilizations are highly interested in a very special conjunction of the Cross of the Zodiac and the Center of our Creation, the Pleiades. They believed like many other ancient Civilizations that the Humans originated from the Pleiades.

The main cycle of the Pleiades was the Cycle of the Precession of the Equinoxes. The Pleiades were also associated with a 52 year cycle (The Kondratiev Cycle).

The Mayas believed that the world would end by a Flood at the end of a 52-year cycle in the beginning of November (All Saints Day). When this moment was passed they started the Fire Ceremoney.

On this evening, priests and a warrior chosen by the King began their 20 kilometer procession to the Hill of the Star. At the proper moment of alignment in the heavens, wood bundles representing the past 52 year cycle were lit, the heart sacrifice of the warrior was enacted and the new fire built on his chest.

The Mayans and the Aztecs knew the world was already destroyed and re-created Four Times in the past and waited for the Fifth destruction (2012).

The Heart, Fire and Blood are the Symbols of the Holy Spirit and the Resurrection

The Temple of Hathor in the ancient city of Denderah was dedicated to the goddess of Love and the stars of Hathor: the Pleiades.

A star clock in the Temple celebrates the Pleiades, marking the greater center on which our solar system revolves, taking 25,827.5 years to complete one cycle.

In Egypt in the year 2170 BC on the first day of spring at precisely midnight the Pleiades were visible through the south passageway of The Great pyramid. Cheops contains fascinating mathematical correlations to the Pleiades including, the seven mystical chambers.

The Seven visible stars of the Pleiades have been referred to by many names, such as the Seven Sisters, Krittika, Kimah, Flock of Doves, Hens, Virgins of Spring, Sailor’s Stars and the seven Atlantic Sisters. The Seven Sisters are Alcyone (Queen who wards off evil), Asterope (Twinkling), Electra (Flowing), Maia (Grandmother), Merope (Bee-Eater), Taygeta (Long-necked) and Celaeno (Swarthy). Their father was Atlas, The Axis Mundi, the World Pole.

The Dove is the symbol of Sufism and other Gnostic Believe Systems. The Dove was also the symbol of early Christianity until it was taken over by the Cult of Mitrash (The Male Principle). The Dove is the Holy Spirit or the Shekinah in Hebrew. In India the Pleiades are related to Agni (The Holy Fire) and another magical bird, The Peacock, the Egyptian Benu Bird. The Benu Bird was the Bird of the Egg of Creation of a new Universe.

The Pleiades represent the Spirits of Seven Churches in Asia Minor, which existed when John wrote the Revelation. Interesting enough the pattern of the Seven Churches looks like the pattern of the Pleiades. The map of the Pleiades is painted in the first Churches of Christ.

The Pleaiades are also associated with the Seven Golden Lampstands. The original Jewish Lampstand, the Menorah, contains 7 branches.

The number 7 (-3,-2,-1, 0, 1,2,3) is the symbol of the Trinity that voids itself in the Center, The Foundation. 7X7=49 means 13 (=4, The Four Forces) in the counting system of the Bible that is based on 9.

Amos 5:8 is the key. It associates the Pleiades with the resurrection (turning the shadow of death into the morning). Orion is associated with the darkness (occultism) that darkens even the day. The last player in the Biblical Story of the Pleiades is the Bear. As we will see later the Bear is the Symbol of Control.
The Pleiades are now part of the constellation of the Bull. The Bull contains the Orion-System which is called Kesil, the Fool, in Hebrew. It is said that once the constellation may have referred to the Messiah, but that Nimrod (Orion, The Hunter, The Trickster, The Fool) took it to himself.

Nimrod, King Menes, created his own Religion after the Great Flood. In this Religion the God of Love was replaced by the God of Revenge.

It seems that the Pleiades are the Center of the Influence of Peace, Compassion, Love and Water. This influence was removed by a Fool who moved the Constellation of the Pleiades into the Bull.

Mitrash was the fighter of the Bull. He was related to the Sun and later to the Archangel Michael. The Cult of Mitrash took over Early Christianity. All the Symbols and procedures of Mitrash can be found in the Symbols and Procedures of the Church of Rome.

Mitrash was the Cult of the Soldiers of the Roman Empire. Its history goes back to the time of Zoroaster (Persia). Mitrash was the Governor of the Cycle of the Sun.

The theme of the Fool shows itself in many civilizations. In a myth of the Maori one of the Seven Sisters was raped by the fool Kidili. In the Myths of the Greek the same story is told.

One day the Great Hunter Orion saw one of the Pleiades (Merope) as they walked through the countryside. He pursued here for Seven Years, until Zeus (Anu) answered her prayers for delivery. He transformed Merope and her Sisters into Doves and placed them among the Stars. Later on, when Zeus killed Orion, he was placed in the Underworld.

Merope married a mortal man, Sisyphus, and hid her face in shame at being the only one not married to a god and from shame at the deed; she alone of the sisters hides herself in the sky (the star does not shine). Sisyphus founded the city of Ephyre (Corinth).

Merope (also called Melissa) is a Bee-Eater and is most likely to have been a little She-Bear, a representative of Artemis. The goddess was pictured primitively with a she-bear’s head herself, and the bear remained sacred to Artemis into classical times. At a festival called the Brauronia, pre-pubescent girls were dressed in honey-colored yellow robes and taught to perform a bear dance. Once they had briefly served Artemis in this way, they would be ready to be married.

Merope is a Young Female Bear (a Virgin) who is raped by the Big Bear. The Big Bear and the Little Bear relate to two Star systems Ursa Major (The Big Dipper) and Ursa Minor (The Little Dipper).

The Little Dipper contains The Pole Star. The Pole Star was the “Old” center of the Galaxy until the scientists of the old civilizations discovered the Precession Cycle. At that time the Sun Cycle and the Cycle of the Axis Mundi were balanced.

In early Greek mythology, the seven stars of the Little Dipper were considered to be the Hesperides, also daughters of Atlas. They were Nymphs who were protecting the Seven Apples in Paradise. One day a Fool (Heracles) stole the Apples and the World got into big trouble because Atlas could not hold it anymore.

The Old Center of the Universe, the Pole Star, was moved into the Bull by a Fool.

The central star of the System is called Alcyone. Many ancient traditions state that Alcyone was the Central Spiritual Sun, the Mother Sun that emits creative Light, that which births great teachers of Light into the world.

The early Arabs called her Al Jauz, the Walnut; Al Jauzah or Al Wasat, the Central One; and Al Na’ir, the Bright One; In Babylonia she was called Temennu, the Foundation Stone. The Mayas call her the Goddess. She is related with Compassion and the Womb (Rebirth).

Alcyone was a Greek goddess who was changed into a kingfisher by the gods after she threw herself into the sea upon finding the body of her drowned husband Ceyx washed up on the shore. Ceyx was also transformed into a kingfisher.

In Arthurian myth, the Holy Grail is held in a remote castle by a custodian known as the Fisher King. The Fisher King is wounded through the groin. He cannot be healed until the Grail (the Cup, The Pleiades) is brought back into the world.

The Symbol of the Bear returns into the figure of King Arthur (the Bear) and his Twelve Knights. The magician Merlyn is forced to play the role of Thoth but he refuses. Merlyn is a White Magician who did not wanted to use the Black Magic of Morgan Le Fey.

The seven days preceding the Winter Solstice and the seven days after it are know as the Halcyon Days, named after Alcyone.

It was during this time, according to ancient Greek mythology, that Alcyone kept the Waters Peaceful and calm so that she could build her nest upon the surface of the sea and sit on it until her Eggs hatched.

The last link I want to make is the link to Mary Magdalena. Mary is of the town Magdela or Migdal which was known as the Village of the Doves, a place where Sacred Doves were bred for the Goddess Temple of Isis.

Isis has many names like : The Brilliant One in the Sky, The Star of the Sea and She Who Knows How To Make Right Use of the Heart. Her dance of the Seven veils corresponds with the seven stars of the Pleiades.

The worship of Isis was merged into the Church of Rome by the worship of Mary and Mary Magdalena, the Black Madonna. In contrast with the male dominance of the Cult of Mitrash the cult of Isis was open to the “lower classes (the poor)” and females.

Again we see a relationship between the number Seven, Water, Fish (Christianity), The lost Female principle and an Evil force that has killed the Fisherman. The Fisher King is a symbol of Christ.

A very important event is the Great Flood, the moment when the Anunnaki tried to destroy mankind. Christ, The Force of Love, is waiting until somebody finds the lost Cup, The Grail, The Pleiades.

This Force will return when the three cycles of the Sun (Mitrash, Church of Rome), the Pole Star (The Star of the Shaman in Siberia) and the Pleiades (The Mother Goddess) are balanced. According to the Mayas this will happen in 2012.

There is much more to say about the other (five) sisters of the Pleiades. The stories of all of them weave a complicated web of hidden codes. At this moment I don’t want to explain all of them. I want to “jump to a conclusion“.

To find out what happened we have to move to a brilliant Cabbalist called Luria.

Rabbi Isaac Luria (1534-1572) was a Jewish Mystic in Safed.

At the moment of creation the Ein Sof (Without Ending) concentrated (Tzimtzum) Himself. From this concentration proceeded the Infinite Light. This Light enfolded itself into ten circles or vessels (kelim) called the Sefirot, (Circled Numbers).

The Three outermost circles were able to bear the light, the inner six were unable to do so, and burst.

As a result of this cosmic catastrophe, the Sefirot, are shattered and out of place, and the world within which we reside, is composed of the shards of the broken values. Six of the Ten Sefirot were fully shattered. Malchut (Earth), the 7th vessel was broken partially.

Humans are on this Earth to repair the Universe. We are here to raise the sparks of the Light (our Souls) to repair the broken vessels.

The Center of Control is situated in the “Head”.

When we want to Control we want to manage our Expectation (Hope) and be sure that everything happens according to our plans.

We are without any Faith about the Future. We are Thinking all the Time. The Head and the Governor can be found in the Star System The Great Bear or Ursa Major.

The Chinese astrologers named Ursa Minor “Prime Minister“, “Big Sun Governor“, “Minister of State“, “the 3 Dukes“, “Factory Chief“, along with many other ministers, chiefs, generals and people of high rank within the Imperial Court. The Bear is the symbol of Control.

We are without any Faith about the Future. We are Thinking all the Time. The Head and the Governor can be found in the Star System The Great Bear or Ursa Major.

The Chinese astrologers named Ursa Minor “Prime Minister“, “Big Sun Governor“, “Minister of State“, “the 3 Dukes“, “Factory Chief“, along with many other ministers, chiefs, generals and people of high rank within the Imperial Court. The Bear is the symbol of Control.

When the vessels were broken the link between two forces called Control (The Sun) Mitrash, Apollo, Artemis, The Great Bear (Ursa Major) and Desire (Ego, The Bull, Orion, Black Magic) became unstable. Mitrash is always Fighting the Bull. The Bull Fights in Spain are a simulation of this Fight. Humans are afraid to lose Control and when this feeling of Fear increases they become Paranoid.

Ursa Major
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Co ... Major.html

Located at the top of the heavens the stars of the two bear-constellations, Ursa Major and Ursa Minor, never set, i.e., they never disappear below the horizon, they are always visible in the night sky, all night, every night, throughout the year. One of these stars, Polaris, the Pole Star in Ursa Minor, appears to stand still making it a good reference point for navigators at sea to identify, while the other stars in these two constellations, called circumpolar stars, revolve around it.

One myth explains why they were positioned so; Zeus (Jupiter) placed Callisto in the sky as the constellation Ursa Major, or 'Great Bear,' and her son, Arcas who was also Zeus' son, as Ursa Minor, as 'Little Bear':

In the Hindu tradition, the Great Bear is the abode of the seven Rishi; identifying Kratu with the star Dubhe; Pulaha with Merak; Pulastya with Phecda; Atri with Megrez; Angiras with Alioth; Vasishtha with Mizar; Bhrigu with Alkaid.

Ursa Major represents Callisto (Kallisto) as the Great Bear.

The female bear archetype might represent the 'fallen woman' in society. Bears have loud passionate 'love affairs' and then they part company leaving the female pregnant and alone. This was the experience of Callisto who was a hunting partner in Artemis' virgin group. After she became pregnant by Zeus Callisto was cast out and turned into a bear (Ursa Major, the Great Bear) for her sexual transgressions against that society's mores.

Olcott (p.353) tells of a legend; "this constellation represented a Princess, transformed into a bear on account of her pride in rejecting all suitors. For this her skin was nailed to the sky as a warning to other proud maidens." Female bears stay with their bear lovers for a period of time and studies have found that it is often the female that rejects the male causing him to leave her, also knowing he could harm the cubs.

Linguists hypothesize that in old common Germanic, the true name of the bear was under a taboo — not to be spoken directly. The exact details of the taboo are not known. Did it apply to hunters who were hunting the bear and did not want to warn it? Or to hunters hunting other animals and did not wanting to rile up the bear and have it steal their prey? Or did it apply to anyone who did not want to summon the bear by its name and perhaps become its prey? Whatever the details, the taboo worked so well that no trace of the original ‘rtko’ word remains in Germanic languages, except as borrowed historically in learned words from Greek or Latin.

Helice represented Ursa Major; and Melissa (honey or honey bee), or Cynosura, represented Ursa Minor; they were the nurses of the baby Zeus.

The bear is a quadruped but is able to stand upright on two legs and walk (from *wel-3 ) like a human being.
Maybe it is because the word Helice is a cognate with the word vulva that made it so taboo to call the bear by its real name?

"The vulva is so called as if it were a folding-door, that is, the door of the belly; either because it receives the semen or because the fetus goes forth from it." [The Aberdeen Bestiary]

Hellas in Greece is bordering Arcadia; Arcadia was named after Callisto's son Arcas of Ursa Minor:

“Hellas is so called from king Hellen, the son of Deucalion and Pyrrha; from him the Greeks first took the name Hellenes. This is the same territory as Attica, earlier called 'Acte.' There was a certain Granus, a native of Greece, after whose daughter's name, Attis, Attica was named. It lies in the middle between Macedonia and Achaea, connected to Arcadia on its northern side. This is the true Greece, where the city of Athens was located, the mother of the liberal arts and the nurse of philosophers; there was nothing nobler and more illustrious in all of Greece” [The Etymologies of Isidore of Seville, 7th century AD, p.290.]`

John F. Blake (Astronomical Myths, 1877, p.63.) said the word "Ursa is said to be derived from versus, because the constellation is seen to turn about the pole. It has been called the Screw (Greek Elike), or Helix, which has plainly reference to its turning."

Perhaps Helen of Troy, 'the face that launched a thousand ships' relates to Callisto. Callisto is from Greek kalos, or kallos, meaning 'beautiful'.

Hewitt says that these seven stars at first were known in India as Seven Bears, although also as Seven Antelopes, and again as Seven Bulls, the latter merged into one, the Great Spotted Bull, as the Seven Bears also {Page 425} were into Ursa Major, with our Arcturus for their keeper; and he gives their individual titles as Kratu for alpha, Pulaha for beta, Pulastya for gamma, Atri for delta, Angiras for epsilon, and Marici for eta, the six sons of Brahma, who himself was Vashishtha, the star zeta. The Vishnu-Dharma, however, claimed Atri as their ruler; indeed, there seems to be much variance in Sanskrit works as to the identity of these stars and titles.

Ancient, however, as are Arktos and Ursa, 'Ash and the Bier, Amaxa, Plaustrum, and Triones, this splendid constellation ran still further back — three or four or even more millenniums before even these titles were current — as the Bull’s Thigh, or the Fore Shank, in Egypt. There it was represented on the Denderah planisphere and in the temple of Edfu by a single thigh or hind quarter of the animal, alluded to in the Book of the Dead.

The constellation of the Thigh in the northern sky; and thus mentioned in inscriptions on the kings' tombs and the walls of the Ramesseum at Thebes. Sometimes the figure of the Thigh was changed to that of a cow's body with disc and horns; but, however called or represented, these stars always were prominent in the early astronomy and mythology of Egypt.

Mesxet seems to have been their designation, and specially for some one of them, as representative of the malignant red Set, [Set, also Anubis, Apap, Apepi, Bes, Tebha, Temha, and Typhoeus according to Plutarch, was one of Egypt's greatest gods, who subsequently became the Greek giant Typhon, father of the fierce winds, but slain by Zeus with a thunderbolt and buried under Mount Aetna.] Sit, or Sith, Sut or Sutech, who, with his wife Taurt or Thoueris, shown by the adjoining Hippopotamus (now a part of our Draco), represented darkness and the divinities of evil. Set also was a generic term applied to all circumpolar constellations, because, as always visible, they somewhat paradoxically were thought to typify darkness.

The myth of Horus, one of the most ancient even in ancient Egypt, deciphered from the temple walls of Edfu, 5000 B.C., as connected with the stellar Hippopotamus, was, about 3000 years afterwards, transferred to the Thigh, which then occupied the same circumpolar position that the Hippopotamus did when the original inscription was made. In view of this, Champollion alluded to the Thigh as Horus Apollo.

[lizzie]

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 9c9#p49636

Some time ago the present author suggested the idea of astroengineering interference by a cosmic supercivilization in the evolution of the Sirius system. This assumption was based on the Indo-European myth of the heavenly blacksmiths, who are fighting and chaining up the monstrous Dog, dangerous for the Universe, as well as on some astrophysical data from the history of Sirius.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 449#p57093

It is almost unimaginable that Dr. Bergrun could privately undertake such a detailed study of NASA Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 photographs of the rings of Saturn. He has discovered how the rings are being formed by emissions emerging from gigantic electromagnetic vehicles (EMV's) possibly being controlled by a form of intelligence.

A study of his book "Ringmakers of Saturn" by a reader is one of detail and constant referral to highly annotated colored NASA photographs. Dr. Bergrun must be congratulated for his thousands of hours of study and documentation of his findings.

UFO's ALIENS 2009 HUGE SATURN SPACESHIPS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33uvhjp7U5Y

Alien Motherships and The Ringmakers of Saturn
http://thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpres ... of-saturn/

Dr. Bergrun privately undertook a detailed study of NASA Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 photographs of the rings of Saturn. He has discovered how the rings are being formed by emissions emerging from gigantic electromagnetic vehicles (EMV’s) Electro Magnetic Vehicles possibly being controlled by a form of intelligence.
http://www.ringmakersofsaturn.com

Norman Bergrun’s “The Ringmakers of Saturn” is the inspiration for this video of the mysterious rings of Saturn. The big 3 amigo’s on ATS (mikesingh, zorgon, and internos) have each added enormous effort of personal research on this subject, by gathering up to date Cassini satellite imagery that is showing some very interesting anomalies on and around the ringed planet.

Besides these motherships around Saturn, they are also seen near the Sun and other places in space.

Alien Spacecraft

A selection of gigantic motherships captured (Lasco-Soho) near the Sun and in Space which are comparable in size to the UFOs of Saturn.

Dr. Bergrun also talked about gigantic electromagnetic vehicles (EMV’s) A team (Freiheitsberger, areca81, mitchellgibsonmd8000 and others) examined pictures from the SOHO STEREO EUVI 195 satellites and found huge objects orbiting in the corona of the sun and other details. Zooming in on them you can detect the astonishing shape these objects have and from that OmetaOne created a visualization of how they may look like.

According to James Horak these are EMVs – Electro Magnetic Vehicles. He reveals that they calm down the sun’s activity and it is a force that is ensuring that devolution cannot occur in the universe.

Imagine a ship so massive that it could affect a planets gravitation fields to extreme degrees just by coming close to us.

Imagine just for a moment a ship so huge that if it came down into our atmosphere it would block the sun from one side of the earth to the other, effectively darkening the planet merely by its size.

Think of the technology that would account for a ship like that!

Imagine an entire civilization existing on a planetary scale on a manufactured vessel.

UFO? Comet? Flying to the Sun!
http://thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpres ... o-the-sun/

UFO? Comet? Flying To The Sun, Oct 1, 2011

Comet diving into the Sun and its like they are trying to hide the fact that the object has a strange shape to it and it is very large, then that UFO makes a brief appearance, very strange, indeed!

[StalkingGoogle]

After plodding wearily through every single (yes, all of them) page of this thread I feel confident in characterizing it as a boring, tedious and incomprehensible collection of random webquotes. Why is this here?

[lizzie]

Aliens among Us?
http://thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpres ... -among-us/

Gary does the Pentagon, which does not return the high-five

Gary, without stealing passwords, or breaking through firewalls, or anything more than commercial software and a lousy 56K modem, walked around US military computers between 2000 and 2002.

What did Gary find? He found that there is a Space Fleet Program, apparently man-made, so, nothing immediately worrisome …). There were names for vessels like USSS Le May and USSS Hillenkotter, named after serious Alien UFO insider military people.

Gary McKinnon says that he saw an Excel spread sheet titled NON-TERRESTRIAL OFFICERS, with a list of 20-30 names. There were references to ship-to-ship as well as fleet-to-fleet transfers of material.

Let this sink in for a moment.

Gary is decidedly not a hacker (though he admitted to breaking some law and regrets it – kids, don’t do this at home, okay) because these computer networks that he hung out in between 2000 to 2002 had blank default passwords. He saw large numbers of other connected people from all kinds of countries, but could not determine their right or lack of it to be there. It looked more like an open-door thing than anything else.

Gary had heard that the Johnson Space Center Building 8 had people erasing (airbrushing) evidence from hi-resolution satellite images. He found his way into the computers at Building 8 and located the file folders. They were named raw and edited, essentially, and he was able to slowly download a 200-plus megabyte image in NASA proprietary graphic format, reducing the channels, via his 56K dial-up modem connection (an no, he did not take a screenshot.

He saw a huge cigar-shaped object with geodesic domes at its ends, no sign of riveting or other manufacturing, the photo apparently having been taken from a satellite looking down onto the alien object. He was disconnected before he could save the image, and Gary was subsequently tracked down and arrested by the British High Tech Crime Unit, which utterly failed to see the irony between unprotected military networks and their name.

Gary had tried to find a corresponding listing of the space command personnel which he had seen, but was unable to find one. Also, ships are always named USS such-and-such, not USSS. United States Space Ship, anyone? Wanna bet?

You would think that walking around computer networks that are not protected should not get you in trouble. After all, you are not hacking, rather, surfing along and opening unlocked doors, or just walking past them while nobody is looking, not vandalizing anything, not planting any woo-woo bugs or worms or viruses. You just want to find evidence that some people on planet Earth have their hands on anti-gravity, or zero point energy technology, while we standard-issue hominids have to pay huge sums of money for fuel in winter, if we are lucky (meaning, there’s still fuel around and the money is still worth something). This was Gary’s mission, having empathy with senior people who could not afford to pay for heating in England’s winter.

[lizzie]

Moon Rising
http://thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpres ... -cover-up/

Directly translatef from Dutch: In 1994 there were 1.8 million pictures of the moon during the ‘Clementine mission. Several variations were shot, including full color photos. On the cover of the DVD is one of the hundreds of pictures that you see presented in the film.

This is the first time in human history that the full moon in its natural color is revealed.
Leaving aside whether we have been to the moon or not … We have no doubt landed. This film is about what awaited us when we arrived and the lies that have been put in motion for what was, to conceal.

The researchers in this movie are speaking, tell us about the facts that more than forty years before were hidden. These facts will surprise and shock at the same time. You’ll ask yourself why these lies so long have been presented to us.

The answers to these questions show that we are not treated as equals by those who pull the strings in this “greatest discovery ever denied.

Hiding the evidence that civilization may have been on the moon, or even more incredible, the possibility that they are still there does raise questions about why we do that are kept in the dark.

The greatest invective made us believe that the moon was a gray, colorless rock. By contrast, the moon is more like a small planet teeming with life and structures of the type you get, until now, have never seen before. It seems in any case strongly suggest that the Moon was inhabited in 1994 when these pictures were taken.

[lizzie]

NASA and the Old Gods
http://www.weirdload.com/moon.html

The Apollo Program, unquestionably the greatest achievement of the twentieth century, did not happen in a vacuum — a political and cultural vacuum, that is. The whole grand enterprise was a product of many interacting social forces; some acknowledged, like the Cold War, some that remain unknown to this day.

Among the latter must be reckoned whatever secret knowledge the government has gleaned about alien visitation to this world. Undoubtedly, if a vessel from another world did crash at Roswell in 1947, it must have had some effect on the Moon landing twenty-two years later. The entire effort would have had to take the extraterrestrial presence and agenda into account from the very beginning. But is there any evidence of this?

Some researchers, like the indefatigable and always entertaining Richard C. Hoagland, a former NASA researcher and recurrent gadfly, have postulated that there is a secret cabal controlling the space agency. This alleged group conspires to hide from public view evidence that we are not alone, including UFOs in space and anomalies on the Moon and Mars, such as the “Face” at Cydonia.

This shadowy clique includes not just military intelligence types like the associates of Majestic 12 who might be reasonably concerned about confrontations with aliens, but members of some sort of occult society. It’s a secret society with roots or beliefs at least seemingly centered on ancient Egypt, for which Hoagland has indeed found some intriguing clues. For it seems that at crucial moments such as launches and landings in the course of many missions, including the Moon landings, there are significant alignments of the constellation of Orion with the horizon. Alignments, it must be added, that he claims are virtually mathematically impossible to be mere chance.

From this, Hoagland makes a case that the “cult” in NASA is one of secret Osiris worshipers, who venerate the god in his form of Orion. My own research has shown that there seems to be something to this; for example, the date of the first manned landing, July 20, is the date on which the Egyptian calendar begins.

Is this group Masonic? No doubt there are Freemasons in NASA: the Waco, Texas, “Tranquility” Lodge boasts of it. In fact, they claim that “Brother Aldrin certified that the SPECIAL DEPUTATION was carried by him to the Moon on July 20, 1969.”

However, it is not difficult to find a direct connection between Egypt and NASA. It openly exists in the person of Farouk Al Baz, an Egyptian geologist who helped select the Apollo landing sites on the Moon and, with the late, great Eugene Shoemaker, trained the astronauts in lunar geology. Not only that, but Al Baz has been involved in Egyptian archeology as well, playing an important part in the use of ground-penetrating radar on the Giza plateau and remote sensing from space.

There were the German Paperclip scientists as well — ex-nazis, some formerly-devout Party members like Werner Von Braun — who may have contributed much also to any occult underpinnings, and who probably also would have known about Roswell.

(According to astronaut Gordon Cooper, he also confirmed the existence of Nazi flying saucers, though he claimed he knew not what happened to them at the end of the war.)

Finally, there is also the prospect of occultists in the Jet Propulsion Laboratory that oversees most of the US robot space program.

The question, then, is this: Is there any evidence of secret societies or agendas in the official names and graphic symbolism of the space program?

Perhaps in the names of programs, missions and spacecraft, the telltale use of mythic or occult symbolism clues to this secret cabal could be found.

I must confess that I have not been able to find more than hints and strange coincidences, but what I have found is rather curious

The importance of Orion

Greco-Roman mythology was deliberately tapped in the naming of Projects Mercury, Gemini and Apollo. The projects’ names were suggested by Abe Silverstein, Director of Space Flight Development, and approved at a conference in July, 1960. They generally seem apt enough. Mercury, the gods’ messenger, was appropriate for the single man capsule and its quick missions. Gemini could not only refer to the two-man capsule, but also to the rendezvous experiments of two capsules that were so important a part of the program.

It is with Apollo, named after the god of music, poetry, archery and the Sun that the mythological symbolism gets interesting. While there is no question that the ancient Egyptians saw Osiris in the asterism we call Orion, the Greek myth of Orion itself seems to be a somewhat different tale than that ancient story. Rather, it tells of Orion’s murder at the hands of the goddess of the Moon, Diana, through the machinations of Apollo, the namesake of the lunar landing program!

Here is what a pro-NASA, semi-official publication, All We Did Was Go To the Moon, said about the patch, which is replete with interesting symbolism:

The Apollo Program Emblem

The Earth and the Moon flank a large stylized letter “A” against a background of stars. The Constellation Orion, The Mighty Hunter, is positioned so that its three central stars, known as Orion’s belt, form the bar of the letter “A”. These stars are Mintaka, Alnilam, and Alnitak. The star shown above the Moon is Orion’s shoulder, the red star Betelgeuse, and his other shoulder on the right top side of the “A” is the white star Bellatrix. Under the rights side of the “A” is Orion’s foot, the blue-white star Rigel and under the left side of the “A” is Orion’s other foot, the blue-white star Saiph. Rigel is one of the Apollo Astronaut’s 37 navigational stars. Between the lines of the “A” is Orion’s sword and in the center of the sword is the Orion Nebula...

World Book Encyclopedia notes that “Orion was a mighty hunter in Greek mythology. He was the son of Poseidon (Neptune), who gave him the power to walk through the sea and on its surface.

“The goddess Artemis (Diana) fell in love with the handsome Orion. Her brother, Apollo, did not like this, and plotted to destroy Orion. One day while Orion was swimming, Apollo walked by with Artemis. Apollo challenged her to his the target bobbing in the water. Artemis did not know it was the head of her lover, and killed him with her arrow. Her sorrow was great and she placed Orion in the sky as a constellation.”

The face on the Moon represents the mythical god [sic], Apollo. (p. 41, emphasis added)

(By the way, that small brown blob on the patch just above the lunar disk seems to be a printing error, and not the lurking mothership, as it appears on many but not all renditions.)

There are several confusing things here. Looking at the patch, the three astronauts are seemingly identified with the three stars of the belt of Orion, just like the three major pyramids at Giza. Oddly enough, the Moon bears Apollo’s face, not that of his sister, the lunar goddess. Does this mean that the Moon is the key to the whole Solar System?

Some versions say that Orion was fleeing the Scorpion; and others claim that he had previously pursued the Seven Sisters, the Pleiades, whom Artemis placed in the sky to save them, before he become her lover. Perhaps significantly, Artemis blinded Orion for pursuing the girls. Orion was cured by turning his face to the rising sun — in other words, by Apollo.

This is a strange and contradictory story, to be sure. The myth raises other questions too, beyond such obvious one that if Orion could walk on water, why was he swimming? Why would Apollo save him, and then plot his death?

Most astronomers seem to think that the story is based on the motion of the sky, where the Pleiades are forever being fruitlessly chased by the Great Hunter who himself is opposite the Scorpion so that they are never visible at the same time. Could there be more to it than that?

According to Robert Graves (The Greek Myths, Vol. 1), Orion’s name means “moon man of the mountain,” while Apollo’s means “destroyer.” Equating Greek with Egyptian gods as the ancients did, Orion was mythologically identified not with Osiris, but rather with Osiris’ mortal enemy, his evil brother Set. Apollo, because of his solar connections, was identified with Osiris’ son, Horus. Mercury, interestingly, was associated with Thoth, the god of wisdom, but also Anubis, the god of the dead.

Yet there is no doubt that the Egyptians saw the star grouping we call Orion as Osiris, as Hoagland claims. Perhaps there is a deeper reason at play here. The mythology that is accumulating around UFOs generally states that the “Space Brothers” or Nordics — benign aliens that are essentially ideal humans — come from the Pleiades, a constellation identified with doves and young women, for some reason, all around the world — while the sinister, rectal-probing Greys hail from Betelgeuse or one of the other stars of Orion. The astral “Great White Lodge” of Freemasonry is said by some to be “headquartered” in Sirius, called the “Dog Star” by the Greeks, whom the Egyptians identified with the goddess Isis, the wife of Osiris.

The constellation of Orion, according to the pseudepigraphal Book of Enoch, was formed of the banished soul of Semyaza, the first leader of the Watchers, the “Sons of God” — fallen angels of Jewish lore who taught the arts and sciences to early humans. These heavenly beings then proceeded to mate with human women, as it says in Genesis 6:1-2:

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose.

The descendants of these were the “mighty men which were of old, the men of renown” (Gen. 6:4) — the Nephilim, a race of giants. With a hybrid breeding program of their own, the Watchers, it seems, had more than a constellation in common with the Greys.

Curiously, the Sons of God are generally described as tall and fair-skinned, like the Nordics. Yet a fragment of one of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Testament of Amran, apparently describes a conflict between several leaders of the Watchers — between a Nordic-looking Michael, and the demon king Belial, with a face “like a viper” -- a Reptoid, perhaps?

In Hamlet’s Mill, first published in that year of world-change, 1969, Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Decehend explored archaic cosmology and its echoes in the most ancient myths preserved around the globe. They persuasively argued that these hoary tales encode esoteric astronomical information, such as the 25,920 year cycle of the Precession of the Equinoxes. This, they contend, is the meaning of such stories as that of Amlethus or Amlodhi, Shakespeare’s prototype for Hamlet and also a version of Horus, who stole the great “Mill of the Gods”, which broke, sank into the sea, and created the Maelstrom, the great whirlpool.

They may have noted even more than they knew, as they cited such odd facts that to the Egyptian Hermeticists as well as to the New Zealand Maori half a world away, Rigel, the bright blue star indicating Orion’s left knee or foot, marked the “road to Hades” — another echo of the Greys?

Even more astonishing is the hint from the South Seas that in far-ancient times, some people knew that the cosmic whirlpool was actually in the sky, what we call the Galaxy, and that its center was near the constellation we call Sagittarius.

This is astronomical information that our civilization has only acquired recently with the aid of advanced optical and radio telescopes. For ancient humans to have known of the Galaxy and its core argues for Atlantis, the advent of extraterrestrials, or both.

And if such lore could survive for thousands of years among such “primitive” peoples until today, could it not have been preserved — along with who knows what else — by secret societies in our midst?

Mission symbolism

In any event, on the official mission patch, Apollo represents Humanity. Were the astronauts placed, then, under the Greys’ protection, even while the name “Apollo,” and his face superimposed on the Moon, signified NASA’s secret intention to claim our sister world from them? Could the timing and alignments all be part of a magical attempt to gain their protection?

In Leap of Faith, Gordon Cooper’s autobiography, he claims that he and Pete Conrad came up with the idea of mission patches, officially called “Cooper patches.” This was a logical application of the long tradition of military heraldry to the needs of each mission.

All six manned Mercury missions had the number seven appended after their name — Freedom 7, Liberty Bell 7, Friendship 7, and so on. Legend has it that this was in reference to the seven original astronauts, though Cooper said that #7 just happened to be the number on the assembly line of Shepard’s capsule, so he stuck it on the end of the name and it became a tradition.

This is not the only appearance of the mystic number seven — as the maximum number of occupants of the Shuttle can carry, it is the number of fatalities in both the Challenger and Columbia disasters. Other occult digits, such as twelve, for the dozen astronauts who have walked on the moon, are woven into the space program.

Hoagland claims this was a deliberate Masonic sacrifice to ensure success. Ironically, the crew was trapped because the hatch was hard to open — just the opposite of the problem that nearly killed Grissom on his first mission.

Of the later missions, some were named after astronomical features, such as the Lunar Modules “Orion” (Apollo 10), and “Antares,” (Apollo 14) a red star in the constellation of his eternal enemy, the Scorpion. Some were also named after famous vessels — “Yankee Clipper” (Apollo 12) “Endeavour” (Apollo 15) and “Challenger” (Apollo 17).

Of landing places on the Moon, only Apollo 11’s, “Tranquility Base” was actually named.

Apollo 13’s was the only patch to bear a true mythological image, that of Apollo’s sun-chariot, and the only one to bear a motto (“Ex Luna, Scientia” — “From the Moon, knowledge”).

Also, Apollo 13’s Lunar Module, which served as a lifeboat saving the lives of Lovell, Swigert, and Haise, was named “Aquarius”. According to the mission commander, Jim Lovell, “Contrary to popular belief, it was not named after the song in the play, “Hair,” but after the Egyptian God, Aquarius. She was symbolized as a water carrier who brought fertility, and therefore, life and knowledge to the Nile Valley, and we hoped our Lunar Module, Aquarius, would bring life back from the Moon.” (All We Did..., p.77, emphasis added)

Life back from the Moon? Aquarius did bring the crew back safely, but if the statement is not about the disaster, it’s rather odd for the Moon was considered not only a dead world, but one that had never been alive.

Maybe Lovell, who had previously flown around the Moon on Apollo 8, already knew of some kind of life there. After all, his famous statement after rounding the far side on the first orbit, “Mission Control, please be informed, there is a Santa Claus,” is thought by some to have been a coded acknowledgement that they had sighted a UFO, an alien base, or other indication of an intelligent presence.

To gain power over the Earth, it has been suggested that it would be necessary to dominate the Moon. Not just in militarily “taking the high ground” but by symbolically taking dominion — by possessing some portion of the only region of the Earth/Moon system humans had not reached.

[StalkingGoogle]

WTF!

[lizzie]

A Mason on the Moon
http://www.weirdload.com/moon2.html

Of possible secret societies involved behind the scenes in the space program, the Freemasons are the most widely known suspects. However, they may not be the only ones.

Jack Parsons, for instance, was a brilliant chemist who was one of the founding members of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which oversees most of America’s civilian unmanned space probes. Parsons was also a practicing occultist and sex magician, a student of the self-proclaimed Great Beast, Aleister Crowley, and for a while a fellow conjuror with none other than L. Ron Hubbard, the science fiction writer who founded the cult of Scientology. (An excellent book, Sex and Rockets, has been written about Parsons, his role in the formation of JPL, and his occult connections.)

Sometime after Hubbard ran off with Parsons’ girlfriend and boat, Parsons was blown to bits in an explosion in his home workshop. Since then, JPL no longer boasts of his role in its creation. It is impossible to say whether Parsons was the only occultist involved in JPL, or how he may have influenced its future development. However, the evidence gathered by Richard Hoagland is quite suggestive that something funny is going on with the space program.

Astronauts with aprons

It is claimed by some that a number of astronauts, including Gus Grissom, Neil Armstrong, and Buzz Aldrin, were Freemasons. I have not been able to find any documentary proof in the case of Armstrong, and it appears most unlikely.

However, Aldrin certainly was, or rather, is a 33rd Degree Mason. In the Headquarters of the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite in Washington D.C. there supposedly hangs a Masonic Banner Buzz took with him to the Moon.

In Aldrin’s autobiography, Return to Earth, the only mention of Masonry is when he says that he temporarily lost his grandfather’s Masonic ring that he wanted to take to the Moon while suiting up for the mission. He says nothing about that banner nor the “SPECIAL DEPUTATION” that he undertook for the Texas Grand Lodge on the Moon. However, the charter of the Tranquility Lodge in Waco indicates it was to “claim Masonic Territorial Jurisdiction” on the Moon for the Lodge.

So Aldrin apparently claimed the Moon for Texas Masons. The whole thing, frankly, sounds like a fraternity prank; except that there is no mention of the banner whatsoever in his book nor at the site of the Supreme Council. It is a secret, just like the ceremony was. Since the mission, timed to the second, did not allow for much playtime, perhaps it was more important than it seems.

Lunar rites

It is perhaps all the more remarkable then, that Aldrin performed a rite that he was not so reticent about discussing. It is another one of his “firsts” — he was the first man to perform a religious ritual on another world, shortly after landing.

Unclaimed Territory and the Alien Presence
http://www.weirdload.com/moon3.html

Though Old Glory was planted upon the Moon, the United States did not claim our natural satellite for itself, and took deliberate pains to make sure it did not appear like it was. (Buzz watched the flag fall over, as a matter of fact, during lift-off.) But why was the Moon not claimed, in defiance of all the great land-grabbing traditions of our homeworld and nation? Especially as supposedly a big part of the reason for going in the first place was to prevent our Communist rivals from doing so? There was the UN’s Outer Space Treaty that forbad such imperialistic adventures, but was that the only reason? Or was there an alien influence behind that as well?

It is at this point, I believe, where the real influence of the mysteries of Majestic and the Space Race converge. Among the many Majestic 12 documents that have been brought forward is one that was supposedly written jointly by Albert Einstein and Robert Oppenheimer. The “Father of Relativity” and the “Father of the Atomic Bomb” apparently came together in that fateful summer of 1947 to birth a report called “Relationships with the Inhabitants of Celestrial Bodies”.

This document, supposedly drafted shortly before Roswell, examined the legal and diplomatic implications of extraterrestrial contact. If authentic, it demonstrates that the government was already worried about the strange portents in the sky, even before the first “flying saucer” sighting of modern times.

This is what it says about what would happen if the aliens came to stay:

If they consider our culture to be devoid of political unity, they would have the right to colonize. Of course, this colonization cannot be conducted on classic lines.

A superior form of colonizing will have to be conceived, that could be a kind of tutelage, possibly through the tacit approval of the United Nations. [Emphasis added.]

In other words, given that the overall state of disunity on the Earth resembles that in the Americas at the time, the aliens would have as much “right” to colonize our planet as the Europeans did the “New World”. It seems like sheer optimism, however, that such colonization would be as benign as “tutelage”.

They go on to discuss what changes would have to be made in the UN in that eventuality, for the United Nations is not a “supra-national organization” that could deal with the problem on a planetary scale. In other words, a New World Order would have to be created.

The document goes on to discuss options if an extraterrestrial power should choose to colonize another body in the solar system.

The idea of exploitation by one celestrial [sic] state would be rejected. They may think it would be advisable to grant it to all others capable of reaching another celestrial [sic] body. But this would be to maintain a situation of privilege for these states.

Does this mean that an alien starfaring race might only recognize a species with space travel capabilities as being intelligent also? The first nation to get to the Moon might be the one most favored by the aliens.

In any case, the Report then considers dividing up celestial bodies, which would lead to problems of distribution or establishing “indivisible co-sovereignty” which would lead to anarchy and conflict. It then says:

A moral entity? The most feasible solution it would seem would be this one -- submit an agreement providing for the peaceful absorption of a celestial [sic] race(s) in such a manner that our culture would remain intact with guarantees that their presence not be revealed...[Emphasis added.]

Thus, even before Roswell, the seeds of the cover-up involving not just our own governments but the active co-operation of the alien powers were sown. Not only that, but a policy of secret colonization was foreseen, exactly what Prof. David M. Jacobs and other abduction researchers fear may be happening.

Einstein and Oppenheimer hoped for a “peaceful absorption” of our new neighbors, possibly through an international treaty. But they had this to say about alien occupation of previously uninhabited worlds:

Res nullius is something that belongs to nobody such as the moon. In international law a celestrial [sic] body not subject to the sovereignty of any state is considered res nullius. If it could be established that a celestrial [sic] body within our solar system such as our moon was, or is occupied by another celestrial [sic] race, there could be no claim of res nullius by any state on earth (if that state should decide in the future to send explorers to lay claim to it). It would exist as res communis; that is that all celestrial [sic] states have the same rights over it. [Emphasis added.]

In short, the US, the Soviet Union, or any other human state on Earth could not claim the Moon as their exclusive property — because it was already occupied by extraterrestrials.

The aliens, on the other hand, may very well have claimed our Moon to be exclusively theirs. It has been rumored, after all, that several saucers landed next to the Eagle at Tranquility Base, and that no one has gone back because we were warned not to return.
Spy satellites

Since the heady days of Apollo, there has been little exploratory activity of the Moon. Significantly, the first American lunar probe launched since then was not sent so much by NASA but by the Pentagon. In fact, Clementine was under the aegis of the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization — that’s right, the “Star Wars” program! This probe, which provided the first indication that there might be ice at the lunar South Pole, later mysteriously “disappeared” after scanning the Moon on its way to an asteroid, just like the Mars Observer would years later. Lost in space, destroyed by aliens, or on a secret mission?

It was followed to the Moon by the Lunar Prospector, whose instruments were designed to map lunar gravitational and magnetic fields, to detect water and, interestingly enough, elements like uranium and thorium. It finally was intentionally crashed into the Moon to see if it could raise a cloud of water vapor. There was no sign of impact. Could it have been shot down or otherwise intercepted?

Lunar Prospector also carried some ashes of the great lunar geologist, Eugene Shoemaker, the first human to have his remains interred on another world. This brought a protest from various American Indian tribes over its desecration, showing that the Moon is still considered sacred by many.

Thus, the mysteries of the Moon endure.

[StalkingGoogle]

A Mason on the Moon...etcetera

Um...what is the point of these humongous block quotes, lizzie?

[lizzie]

Space Gate - Ultra Top Secret UFO Program
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm3Cw_JFwzA

Secret Space Program: Peter Levenda [Full Length]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj2qrl6Q ... re=related

Richard Dolan and the Secret Space Program
http://dad2059.wordpress.com/2010/06/14 ... e-program/

It’s been quite a while since I posted my thoughts about the US secret space program. In fact, it’s been covered up even more by the ongoing fight over the puny mainstream NASA budget in Congress, which is only $19 billion.

Hard to believe isn’t it? NASA’s budget over the past 30 years has averaged $17.5 billion/year. From that little amount we got the International Space Station and flew the shuttle at least twice a year, if not three.
Compare that to the DoD (Pentagon) budget ($700 billion) and DARPA ($50 billion), taxpayers got alot for little money (which probably gave the illusion of larger budgets).

But the secret space program has a black budget, which means the money just plain disappears off the books. By the trillions.

Rumors and rumors of rumors abound around the secret space program. Large spaceships in orbit, extraterrestrial “officers”, secret Mars bases, secret alien cities on the Moon, ancient derelict spaceships in orbit around Mars, UFOs and the list goes on about connections to it.

Peter Levenda - Secret Space Program & NASA's Nazis (Mar-2011)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnxUwmBZqLA

Ed Grimsley: Secret Space Program Conference Amsterdam 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e51_bwX ... re=related

Secret Space Program: Richard Dolan [Full Length]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsJDsxmz ... re=related

Hoaglands Secret Space Programs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW9r17nE ... re=related

[lizzie]

Breakway Civilization – What does that mean for us?
http://www.afterdisclosure.com/2011/04/breakaway.html

Now ask yourself, given (a) great secrecy, (b) great amounts of money, (c) several decades, (d) enough genius-level scientists working for you, and (e) extraterrestrial or alien technology to study, is it possible for key breakthroughs to be made without the rest of the world ever learning of them? Breakthroughs so substantial that they create new areas of scientific study, new technologies, new capabilities, new interactions with these “others,” and as a result a radically new understanding of humanity itself and the cosmos within which we live?

Would such changes result in a clandestine world so different that it might qualify as a separate civilization? One that has broken away from our own?

One thing is for certain: some agency or group has been operating aerial vehicles that are well beyond the capabilities of any known aircraft. Military jets of the U.S. and other nations have chased them. They do not resemble known types of vehicles. They have sometimes invaded sensitive airspace.

Whether these UFOs are “ours” or “theirs,” it means that an advanced and secret infrastructure must exist in order to account for them, and advanced concepts in physics are being applied by someone.

In addition, there is a strong likelihood that several UFOs have been recovered by military units. This is based on several specific accounts (most famously Roswell but many others), as well as on unconfirmed (but plentiful) statements by military personnel who have quietly relayed their knowledge to researchers. These include descriptions of extraterrestrial bodies being examined, flying saucers being studied and replicated, and a wide range of space-based activity that points to a secret space program.

If, as I believe, some claims of recovered UFOs are true, it would mean there has been a program to study and replicate them. How could it be otherwise? No agency with a crashed or otherwise downed UFO would simply sit on its hands for sixty years, looking at it.

At some point, we must assume, breakthroughs of understanding would occur, even if the alien artifacts could not be duplicated. Buried within the protection of a largely privatized national security structure, who can really trace definitively the stories behind some of the key patents of the Cold War?

Major breakthroughs would also threaten to destabilize society and challenge the structure of power. Cheap and portable energy, as implied by flying saucers, would revolutionize our world so completely that no one can truly fathom what the world would look like once it became available. The same can be said for technologies that might enable people to live for 150 years or longer.

With a secret fleet of vehicles utilizing field propulsion and able to explore beyond Earth’s orbit, it is easy to see how the cadre of people involved in such a program would develop new vistas of experience and imagination.

Timothy Good: Secret Space Program Conference Amsterdam 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y5TMUib ... re=related

Panel Discussion: Secret Space Program Conference Amsterdam 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsuSm38D ... re=related

[lizzie]

HALF A CENTURY OF THE GERMAN MOON BASE
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/moonger.html

Following the belief that the Germans had gained advanced technologies in the early 1940's (possibly from recovered crashed UFOs or through contact with an alien culture), this article by Vladimir Terziski, President of the American Academy of Dissident Sciences, is a study of the Germans involvement in the exploration of the Moon and Mars.

The Germans landed on the Moon as early as probably 1942, utilizing their larger exoatmospheric rocket saucers of the Miethe and Schriever type. The Miethe rocket craft was built in diameters of 15 and 50 meters, and the Schriever Walter turbine powered craft was designed as an interplanetary exploration vehicle. It had a diameter of 60 meters, had 10 stories of crew compartments, and stood 45 meters high. Welcome to Alice in Saucerland.

In my extensive research of dissident American theories about the physical conditions on the Moon I have proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that there is atmosphere, water and vegetation on the Moon and that man does not need a space suit to walk on the Moon. Everything NASA has told the world about the Mood is a lie and it was done to keep the exclusivity of the club from joinings by the third world countries. All these physical conditions make it a lot more easier to build a Moon base.

Ever since their first day of landing on the Moon, the Germans started boring -and tunneling under the surface, and by the end of the war there was a small Nazi research base on the Moon. The free energy tachyon drive craft of the Haunibu-1 and 2 type were used after 1944 to haul people," materiel and the first robots to the construction site on the Moon.

When Russians and Americans secretly landed jointly on the Moon in the early fifties with their own saucers, they spent their first night there as guests of the Nazi underground base. In the sixties a massive Russian - American base had been built on the Moon that now has a population of 40,000 people, as the rumor goes. After the end of the war in May 1945, the Germans continued their space effort from their south polar colony of Neu Schwabenland.

GERMAN-JAPANESE MILITARY R&D COOPERATION:

According to Renato Vesco again, Germany was sharing a great deal of the advances in weaponry with their allies the Italians during the war. At the Fiat experimental facility at lake La Garda, a facility that fittingly bore the name of air martial Hermann Goering, the Italians were experimenting with numerous advanced weapons, rockets and airplanes, created in Germany.

In a similar fashion, the Germans kept a close contact with the Japanese military establishment and were supplying it with many advanced weapons. I have discovered for example a photo of a copy of the manned version of the V-1 - the Reichenberg - produced in Japan by Mitsubishi. The best fighter in the world - the push-pull twin propeller Domier-335 was duplicated at the Kawashima works.

A Japanese friend of mine in Los Angeles related to me the story of his friend's father, who worked as technician in an aircraft research bureau in Japan during the war. In July of 1945, two and a half months after the war ended in Germany, a huge German transport submarine brought to Japan the latest of German inventions - two spherical wingless flying devices.

The Japanese R&D team put the machines together, following the German instructions, and there was something very bizarre and other-earthy standing in front of them - a ball shaped flying device without wings or propellers that nobody knew how it flied. The fuel was added, the start button of this unmanned machine was pressed* and it disappeared with a roar and flames without a in the sky. The team never saw it again. The engineers were so frightened by the unexpected might of the machine, that they promptly dynamited the second prototype and choose to forget the whole incident.

GERMAN-JAPANESE FLIGHT TO THE MOON AND MARS IN 1945-46:

According to the authors of the underground German documentary movie from the Thule society, the only produced craft of the Haunibu-3 type - the 74 meter diameter naval warfare dreadnought - was chosen for the most courageous mission of this whole century - the trip to Mars. The craft was of saucer shape, had the bigger Andromeda tachyon drives, and was armed with four triple gun turrets of large naval caliber (three inverted upside down and attached to the underside of the craft, and the fourth on top of the crew compartments).

A volunteer suicide crew of Germans and Japanese was chosen, because everybody knew that this journey was a one-way journey with no return. The large intensity of the electro-magnetogravitic fields and the inferior quality of the metal alloys used then for the structural elements of the drive was causing the metal to fatigue and get very brittle only after a few months of work of the drive. The flight to Mars departed from Germany one month before the war ended - in April 1945.

It was probably a large crew, numbering in the hundreds, because of the low level of automation and electronic controls inside the saucer. Most of the systems of the craft had to be operated like these on a U-boat of that time - manually. Because the structurally weakened tachyon drives were not working with full power and not all the time, the trip to Mars took almost 8 months to accomplish. An initial short trust towards Mars was probably used the strong gravitational field close to Earth, after that the craft was "coasting" for 8 months in an elliptical orbit to Mars with its main drives turned off.

Later trips to Mars by the joint Soviet - American craft in 1952 and by the Vatican craft of the Marconi project from Argentina in 1956 reached Mars in only 2 - 3 days, because their drives were working during the whole flight: accelerating in the first half and decelerating in the second. Smaller Kohler converters were probably used to power the systems and life support equipment on board. I do not have any information at the present time about any artificial gravity capability on board the craft, but that could have been easily done with the large antigravity drives of the ship.

After a heavy almost crash landing, the saucer slammed to a stop, damaging irreparably its drives, but saving the crew. That happened in the middle of January 1946. The crash landing on Mars was not only due to the crippled tachyon drives of the craft - it was also due to the smaller gravitational field of Mars generating less power for the tachyon drives; and also due to the thinner atmosphere on Mars, that could not be used as effectively for air breaking as the Earth's atmosphere could. The craft was shaped as a giant saucer - a form that is very efficient as an air brake, when it is entered into the atmosphere with its luge cross section perpendicular to the trajectory of descent.

One question that I have not answered yet in the affirmative is how the Germans were able to regenerate the air inside the craft for 8 months for this big crew. Quite probably they were using advanced life support systems, developed initially for their larger Walter turbine and free energy submarines that were cruising the oceans without resurfacing.

The radio message with the mixed news was received by the German underground space control center in Neu Schwabenland and by their research base on the Moon.