* I tried to explain last night on Gary's Ice Ages thread my current understanding of what the series of catastrophic events probably was that humans witnessed. [That's the same as what I posted above.]
* I'd like to know what you think about how much rock strata was deposited in one or more of the more recent events, 5 to 10 thousand years ago or so.
* The Hydroplate theory seems to make a very good case that the sedimentary rock strata in the area of the Grand Canyon were all laid down at the same time in a matter of weeks or months a few centuries after the Great Flood. I guess it contends that much of that rock came from a layer of water chambers about ten miles below the surface, whereas Cardona thinks it came from successive Saturn flares.
* If all of the Grand Canyon sedimentary strata were deposited just before the Great Flood within the past 10,000 years or so, does that mean all of the other continental sedimentary strata were probably deposited at that time as well? It seems that way, because I think there's granite and or schist under the Grand Canyon deposits and I think that also underlies the rest of the continental sedimentary deposits too, doesn't it? And I think I read that the continental sedimentary strata average about 2 miles deep.
* It appears that the continental strata were deposited before seafloor spreading occurred and that they were deposited mostly on one side of the Earth. Do you have any thoughts on that, whether in agreement or not?
* Since fossils are found only in sedimentary rock (I think), that would suggest that all of the fossils were laid down fresh during the Great Flood as well, which would mean that the fauna considered ancient are actually just as recent as most of the others, which is a bit hard for me to swallow offhand, although the evidence that humans and dinosaurs co-existed seems persuasive. I guess what's harder to swallow is that dinosaurs did not precede mammals or birds and didn't live for millions of years.
* If all of the sedimentary rock strata are young, then the rock strata existing before that would have been the granite, basalt, schist etc, I guess. Is that right? That would be the metamorphic and igneous. Do you agree with Juergens that granite seems to be formerly sedimentary rock that suffered electrical breakdown? If so, would that have been earlier sedimentary rock strata, maybe from earlier Saturn flares?
* In order for this all to be correct, there must not have been much ocean water previously, because submarine canyons on continental shelves, which go down one or two miles below present sea level (such as those off Monterey Calif., the Hudson River delta, the Nile delta etc), could not have formed under water. Cardona said the water was tied up in glaciation, but the only evidence of glaciation is on the continental surfaces, which apparently weren't there before the last deposition. So it seems that much of the ocean water came with the last rock strata deposition.
* I'd sure like to hear your thoughts on these points. [Other folks' thoughts are welcome too, but Webo seems to be our best expert around here.]
* I'm copying my previous message below.
Superwave Theory
* On the "Questioning the Ice Ages" thread, Gary said:* Here's my reply.If the geological and archaeological dates are to be believed at all, then it would seem that there have been catastrophes at around 13,000 year intervals. La V[io]lette's Superwave theory is probably the best known proposal. I'd also consider the event may be from something happening to our Sun without the galactic centre event. And I do believe we should heed the ancient Greek philosophers tales of many past and future catastrophes.
Saturn Theory
* The Saturn Theory seems to have a lot more going for it, since it conforms to both the mythological record and to the geological record. As Cardona, Talbott and others have shown extensively via comparative mythology, our Sun wasn't our Sun until the Saturn System first entered the Solar System about 10,000 years ago. So it wasn't the Sun that caused any series of catastrophes. And the Greeks were less knowledgeable about catastrophes than the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians, so their idea of future cataclysms is likely based more on imagination. I don't know that I've heard of the Superwave theory, but these facts:
1. Thornhill's finding about Saturn having been previously a brown dwarf star and
2. Cardona's finding that brown dwarfs are known to flare, apparently more spectacularly than the Sun normally does, and
3. that in a fluctuating electrical environment through which Saturn seems to have moved somewhat in a comet-like fashion, it would have flared periodically, probably every few thousand years,
-- show that periodic catastrophes would have been caused by flares from Saturn itself, with no need for help from the galactic center, the Sun, or other influences (though there are likely to have been occasionally a few other influences).
Rock Strata Deposition before Continental Breakup and Seafloor Spreading
* Something I'd like to understand is how many rock strata were likely laid down during each Saturn flare. Seafloor spreading must have occurred mainly after most of the strata were deposited, so it must have been somewhat recent, though Cardona said in his interview that he thought seafloor spreading (continental drift) occurred during more than one of the Saturn flare events (due to the flare's electrical forces putting the brakes on Earth's core or mantle spin, which caused the crust to slide over the mantle at the Moho layer, I think). He seems to think that seafloor spreading started during one flare event, then continued during later flare events. But, if that were true, the ocean floors would be thinnest in the latest spreading zones (around ocean ridges) and thickest in the earliest zones near continental margins, whereas the seafloors seem to have about the same thickness all the way across [I think it's mainly about 3 mile-deep basalt in 3 layers.
Seafloor Spreading at 10,000 BP or 5,000 BP?
* After thinking this over now, this is what seems most plausible:
From the 10,000 BP Event (the Saturn System entering the Solar System):
1) - first, Saturn's plasmasphere encountered and bounced off of the heliosphere several times
2) <causing> Saturn flares
3) <which caused> rock strata deposition on Earth etc
4) - then, the Saturn System finally penetrated the heliosphere
5) <which caused> Earth's core and mantle to brake (stop rotating normally) <which caused> continental sliding [i.e. the continents broke off of the former supercontinent and some of the continents slid apart over the slippery Moho layer]
6) - then, the Saturn System continued on an elliptical [or spiraling] orbit toward the Sun, which brought Earth into the Golden Age
7) - then, the Saturn System broke up near Jupiter
8) and the Saturn System planets continued toward their present orbits
9) <causing> Earth's ice age
* Cardona said (2) Saturn flares caused (5) mantle braking and continental sliding, but sliding had to occur after the youngest sedimentary rock strata were deposited. That's why I modified the order of events a little.
* It's also possible that (5) may have occurred at (7), which might even be a better fit and it might mean that Jupiter caused Earth's mantle braking, which caused the continental sliding.
* There are a lot of facts that need to be incorporated properly into a comprehensive theory, and I don't have them properly ordered yet myself. It'll be fun to see them all come to order.