Recovered: Cymatics

[bboyer]

Oh Bryan, Bryan, Bryan. You star.

Mmm, okay.

Aren't we all the "stuff stars are made of"? Guess it could just be propaganda, but still it sounds nice.

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1. In a fantasy book by either Raymond E Fiest or David Eddings, an older magician is teaching his pupil and he says to him that magic is just 'the Will and the Word'.
2. I'm not sure whether it is in Genesis or one of the books of the Apocrypha but what I'm thinking of is where Adam names all the animals. A similar thing is mentioned in the Popul Vuh. Academics don't get this but to me it is simple: when you 'name' something you create the vibration of that thing and bring it into being.
3. I read somewhere else, maybe an alchemy book, that it is Thought, Will and Word.

1-3 above, not in my experience as I have lived, or recognized, of recent years (say the past 2-3 yrs), but I have understood it similarly in the past.

Wow man, thanks muchly for pointing me at this thread.

I am more than a little pleased you found something of value in it. Thanks for checking it out!

Very Best,
bryan

[bboyer]

Tying this back to Lizzie's post in the Quantavolution thread.
What I think happens is that whenever we go through a 'seasonal' change in the precession we get a sort of re-tuning or moved on to a different frequency or something along those lines.
Any physical changes, e.g. bicameral mind, schizo-whotsit or whatever, are effect not cause.
And IMHO it should be bicameral brain not mind.

I'm not such a fan of standard cause-and-effect anymore. I guess I fall somewhere in between ... well probably some type of weird marriage, actually ... between the Tao and Advaita Vedanta (sort of, but not strictly accurate).

I'm not sure that one doesn't reflect the other re bicameral brain/mind, so it's fine with me either way. Tho' the brain does physically demonstrate the concept with that weird cross-wired corpus callosum thing it has going on, not to mention that little pea-sized pine cone pineal gland hocus-pocus.

[bboyer]

Another name which might fit into this tangled thread is Viktor Schauberger. For those who don't know him, he's like a Tesla for water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Schauberger

http://www.schauberger.co.uk/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAAArAiXGc
The vid is in German but you see a shot of one of his machines and log flumes.

Thanks for the links, Grey Cloud. His name has come up a few times recently; I'd never looked into his work before. His vortex ideas are interesting so will be reading more in depth when I get a chance. Too bad the video didn't have an English version available, but the visual aspect was interesting. Would liked to have known what was up with the water sputtering outwards and spiraling around - reminded me a bit of the "Cool Bubble Rings, More" thread in this forum, not to mention the stuff with sonoluminescence somewhere in this thead.

[StefanR]

Not sure if this is already in this thread, but still a nice experiment to observe:

Metronome Synchronization
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=29472

[bboyer]

Interesting. Weird, but interesting. Entrainment?

[redeye]

Not sure if this is already in this thread, but still a nice experiment to observe:

Weird indeed. Could it be similar to the phenomenon experienced by soldiers marching in unison across a bridge? They have to march out of step with each other or there is a sort of positive feedback thing that can bring down the bridge.

From Wiki regarding the Millenium Bridge in London:
The bridge's movements were caused by a 'positive feedback' phenomenon, known as Synchronous Lateral Excitation. The natural sway motion of people walking caused small sideways oscillations in the bridge, which in turn cause people on the bridge to sway in step, increasing the amplitude of the bridge oscillations and continually reinforcing the effect.[3]

The bridge opened on an exceptionally fine day, and it was included on the route of a major charity walk. On the day of opening the bridge was crossed by 90,000 people, with up to 2,000 on the bridge at any one time.

Resonant vibrational modes due to vertical loads (such as trains, traffic, pedestrians) and wind loads are well understood in bridge design. In these cases the forces which cause the vibration are transient, so do not need to be considered as participating directly with the structure; they just apply a force but do not interact with it.

In the case of the Millennium Bridge, because the lateral motion caused the pedestrians loading the bridge to directly participate with the bridge, the vibrational modes had not been anticipated by the designers (Arup).[4]

The lateral vibration problems of the Millennium Bridge are not unique to its design.[5] Any bridge with lateral frequency modes of less than 1.3Hz could witness the same phenomenon with sufficient pedestrian loading. The greater the number of people, the greater the amplitude of the vibrations. Other bridges which have seen similar problems are:

* Birmingham NEC Link bridge, with a lateral frequency of 0.7Hz
* Groves Suspension Bridge, Chester, in 1977 during the Jubilee River Regatta
* Auckland Harbour Road Bridge, with a lateral frequency of 0.67Hz, during a 1975 demonstration [6]

After extensive analysis by the engineers [1], the problem was fixed by the retrofitting of 37 fluid-viscous dampers (energy dissipating) to control horizontal movement and 52 tuned mass dampers (inertial) to control vertical movement. This took from May 2001 to January 2002 and cost £5m. After a period of testing, the bridge was successfully re-opened on 22 February 2002. The bridge has not been subject to significant vibration since.

An artistic expression of the higher-frequency resonances within the cables of the bridge were explored by Bill Fontana's 'Harmonic Bridge' exhibition at the Tate Modern museum in the summer of 2006. This utilised acoustic transducers placed at strategic locations on the cabling of the Millennium Bridge and the signals from those transducers were amplified and dynamically distributed throughout the Turbine Hall of the Tate by a program Fontana entered into the sound diffusion engine of the Richmond Sound Design AudioBox [2].

Cheers!

[bboyer]

Not sure if this is already in this thread, but still a nice experiment to observe:

Weird indeed. Could it be similar to the phenomenon experienced by soldiers marching in unison across a bridge? They have to march out of step with each other or there is a sort of positive feedback thing that can bring down the bridge.

Yes, I think you're correct.

From Wiki regarding the Millenium Bridge in London:
The bridge's movements were caused by a 'positive feedback' phenomenon, known as Synchronous Lateral Excitation. The natural sway motion of people walking caused small sideways oscillations in the bridge, which in turn cause people on the bridge to sway in step, increasing the amplitude of the bridge oscillations and continually reinforcing the effect.[3]<snip>

Yessiree. Check this post here in this thread about the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse - http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... rrows#p422 - as noted in the post, check the video at the end of the Wiki article. Fantabulous.

Well, guess it's just as easy to post the link directly to the article and video:

The article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge
The Video: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Taco ... uction.ogg

[Grey Cloud]

Weird indeed. Could it be similar to the phenomenon experienced by soldiers marching in unison across a bridge? They have to march out of step with each other or there is a sort of positive feedback thing that can bring down the bridge.

I'm not so sure. A body of soldiers marching all bring down their heel at the same moment, add to this the fact that a given number of soldiers would occupy a smaller area than a similar number of civvies walking, and you get more of a jack-hammer effect rather than a swaying one.

On the Millenium Bridge thing, were the people only walking across from from end? If they were crossing from both ends, surely the lateral thing would cancel out? Even if they were crossing from one end, it seems unlikely that they were all swaying together. And once the bridge started swaying, then surely the movement of the people would have been to try to compensate for the sway rather than to go with it.

Sounds to me thae the bridge builders just cocked it up with their trendy design. I'm British and I can tell you that everything involving experts in this country goes t*ts-up.

[bboyer]

In the (U.S.) army we were trained to "break cadence" whenever we marched across a bridge; in other words no march-stepping in unison but were to assume an individual "natural gait" until across. The reason given was to ensure a resonant beat wasn't induced into the structure. Not that "they" often gave out reasons for doing anything they do or that questions were particularly encouraged.

If you haven't watched it yet, check out the Tacoma Narrows Bridge video clip. Awesome.

[Grey Cloud]

In the (U.S.) army we were trained to "break cadence" whenever we marched across a bridge; in other words no march-stepping in unison but were to assume an individual "natural gait" until across. The reason given was to ensure a resonant beat wasn't induced into the structure. Not that "they" often gave out reasons for doing anything they do or that questions were particularly encouraged.

If you haven't watched it yet, check out the Tacoma Narrows Bridge video clip. Awesome.

I was in the British army and we also were taught to break step before crossing a bridge.

Not that "they" often gave out reasons for doing anything they do or that questions were particularly encouraged.

Ditto.

[redeye]

Interesting. Weird, but interesting. Entrainment?

I hadn't heard of entrainment
before. Wiki describes it as negative feedback. The first thing that springs to mind is the synchronisation of menstrual cycles amongst women who live in close proximity, although I don't know much about this either. I assumed that the synchronisation of the metronome was due to the wobbly board they were placed on.

Sounds to me that the bridge builders just cocked it up with their trendy design. I'm British and I can tell you that everything involving experts in this country goes t*ts-up.

Yeah, it's the same up here in Scotland. Our parliment complains about oil revenue going to Westminster whilst they sit in there £414million debating chamber....oops, uh....plasma!

I remember watching a documentary about the Tacoma bridge collapse (amongst others).
Poor Tubby!

Cheers!

[Rick]

Here is some ray-trace art that shares features with the cymatics material: http://mysite.verizon.net/rickmsmith/mf ... mages.html

For anyone who knows about ray-trace rendering, the shapes are produced from extremely simple starting conditions instead of having the shapes defined for the program to render. I bring this up simply to show yet another domain that has shapes derived in an unexpected way.

[redeye]

Fascinating images. Never seen ray tracing used like this, I remember the first ray tracing programs taking days to produce a simple image of a sphere. I love the idea of organisation out of chaos, it seems to be a recurring theme on this forum, from hexagons formed of dichotron instabilities to mankind rising from the ashes of the kt boundary.

Meanwhile mainstream science formulates theories relying on stability and homogeniety (if that's actually a word) whilst also trying to scare us with notions of change.

Cheers!

[lizzie]

Grey Cloud said:

Tying this back to Lizzie's post in the Quantavolution thread.
What I think happens is that whenever we go through a 'seasonal' change in the precession we get a sort of re-tuning or moved on to a different frequency or something along those lines.

Yes, I agree with that. We get "recharged" so to speak.

[Grey Cloud]

Grey Cloud said:

Tying this back to Lizzie's post in the Quantavolution thread.
What I think happens is that whenever we go through a 'seasonal' change in the precession we get a sort of re-tuning or moved on to a different frequency or something along those lines.

Yes, I agree with that. We get "recharged" so to speak.

Or like the rollout of a software upgrade on a network? Except that up till now we have been downgrading (involution). This next one will be the first upgrade.