Recovered: Cymatics

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

Moderators: MGmirkin, bboyer

Re: Recovered: Cymatics

Unread postby lizzie » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:57 am

How to convert EM waves into acoustic waves – just a phase transition?

Acoustic Waves Frequency Converter
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-wavelength.htm

A Sound Way to Turn Heat into Electricity
http://unews.utah.edu/p/?r=053007-1

"We are converting waste heat to electricity in an efficient, simple way by using sound," says Orest Symko, a University of Utah physics professor who leads the effort. “It is a new source of renewable energy from waste heat."

Using sound to convert heat into electricity has two key steps. Symko and colleagues developed various new heat engines (technically called "thermoacoustic prime movers") to accomplish the first step: convert heat into sound.

Then they convert the sound into electricity using existing technology: "piezoelectric" devices that are squeezed in response to pressure, including sound waves, and change that pressure into electrical current. "Piezo" means pressure or squeezing.


HIGH FREQUENCY SURFACE ACOUSTIC WAVE DEVICES FOR RADIO FREQUENCY APPLICATIONS AND THE METHOD OF FABRICATING THE SAME
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA= ... SPLAY=DESC

Surface acoustic wave (SAW) devices use piezoelectric materials to convert electromagnetic signals, in this case generally rf signals, to mechanical surface acoustic waves in the particular material.

Only surface acoustic waves with the requisite resonant frequency of the cavity will propagate in appreciable magnitude. In operation, a sending transducer converts electromagnetic radiation into a mechanical surface acoustic wave, and a pick-up electrode converts the mechanical wave to an electromagnetic wave, in this case an rf wave.


A laser motor directly transforms light energy into mechanical energy
http://spie.org/x8435.xml?ArticleID=x8435

Various types of light-driven actuators have been proposed. In most designs, laser irradiation induces heat, electricity, or phase transition and the subsequent volume change produces mechanical motion.
lizzie
Guest
 

Re: Recovered: Cymatics

Unread postby ColdCowboy » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:27 pm

Imagine, if you a large and powerful enough vibration generator, what you might find beneath the desert sands of Egypt, for example. Probably hidden temples, with ancient secrets. Some people have made the statement that ancient people knew of this phenomenom. This would could explain how Moses parted the Red Sea as he fled Egypt. Just a wild thought......
User avatar
ColdCowboy
 
Posts: 43
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:09 pm

Re: Recovered: Cymatics

Unread postby lizzie » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:05 am

Cold Cowboy said: Imagine, if you a large and powerful enough vibration generator, what you might find beneath the desert sands of Egypt, for example. Probably hidden temples, with ancient secrets. Some people have made the statement that ancient people knew of this phenomenom. This could explain how Moses parted the Red Sea as he fled Egypt. Just a wild thought......


Ah, perhaps it’s not such a “wild thought.”

What if the “rod and the staff” also functioned as a Tesla harmonic oscillator, magnifying transmitter and an ultrasonic transducer (ray gun)

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=946&p=16994#p16994
lizzie
Guest
 

Re: Recovered: Cymatics

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:59 am

Here's acouple of cymatics videos. Apologies if they have already been posted.
http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=lwdt2vdd7k
http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=6juoz68rep
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.
Grey Cloud
 
Posts: 2477
Joined: Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:47 am
Location: NW UK

Re: Recovered: Cymatics

Unread postby jorich » Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:01 pm

Here's some work on Fluidic Multiverse Theory, a cymatic approach to plasma cosmology featuring 30+ years of experiments with bubbles and bubble films. http://jupitersthings.googlepages.com/f ... ersetheory

[ post moved to this thread from this one, http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... ?f=3&t=634 - @rc-us ]
jorich
Guest
 

Re: Recovered: Cymatics

Unread postby bboyer » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:41 pm

jorich wrote:Here's some work on Fluidic Multiverse Theory, a cymatic approach to plasma cosmology featuring 30+ years of experiments with bubbles and bubble films. http://jupitersthings.googlepages.com/f ... ersetheory

jorich


I could do without the matter/anti-matter terminology but otherwise, for anyone who has kept up with or read through this thread from it's beginnings in May 2007, the ideas should probably ... resonate ... for the most part.
There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad
User avatar
bboyer
 
Posts: 2410
Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm
Location: Upland, CA, USA

Re: Cymatics

Unread postby WCSally » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:34 am

Personally I was hoping that quantum physics would "install" a huge paradigm shift in minds of scientists, a paradigm shift that tells us that things are not quite as they seem to be. Not that quantum physics is the ultimate tool of science (because it is flawed in many points), but the paradigm shift that it carries.


Quantum Physics showed the need, but the bread and butter of the desired shift, and the telling items which will fall out of it ... I am guessing (with intuition) ... will be Torsion Physics.

But I would appreciate feedback on this .... :)
Hypothesis:
Until our understanding is suffiently comprehensive, we are at risk.
Those not suffiently careful are also at risk.

Breath is the Courser and Mind is the Rider. -- Zoroaster
User avatar
WCSally
 
Posts: 175
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:28 pm
Location: Somewhere between an end and a beginning!

Re: Cymatics

Unread postby WCSally » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:27 am

I really, really hope that the upcoming Grand Hadron Collider experiment will show us some most fundamental principles of the Universe, and that electricity will pop out as the "Grand Architect" of all that Is.


What is electricity but moving electrons? .. What is Scalar if it moves without electrons? What is AEther if it is all much, much more tiny than electrons? ...

Do not hang your hopes on electrons! Think instead of movement and spin. Have you looked at many fractals?
Fractals: Esp. Julia = SPIN-in!

Here is one more reason the crossing of the center of the galaxy in 2012 is important ... it seems to be a "cancellation" zone!! ... ( I had no idea Scalar were cancelling ... but maybe that is not 100% accurate?)

Cancellation Zone -- seems to be where the two tetrahedron which are spinning within any spherical mass in rotation in creation cancel each other out. (see Merkaba)

Our Sunspots have gone lack luster .. but our Earthly EM sheath is filling up with charged particles!! Woe is us, if the sunspot goes off with all that tucked inside our shield!! (Space dot com or maybe spaceweather?)

This is a special time for the solar system ... also a very spooky time if there are charged particle fields in the mix at the still place in the center of the galaxy ... so unpredictable are those charge carrying particle fields we cannot detect!

So ... don't champion the electron ... champion motion! There are many things which will be "in motion" and therein will we find our defining principles.
Quantum states which alter their motion .. it seems it would require some motion to change a motion!! ... Where does the "motion" of the thought come from which changes the particles in Bohm's work? ... It is a good question. He is certain it exists ... somewhere!!

On Deviant Art there are more fractals than you could look at in a month ... if you spent 14 hours a day looking!
But even if you spent two days looking ... you would see the patterns ... they repeat, they form in various ways, and they tell a very interesting story!!
Skilled:
***http://sundaymay.deviantart.com/

Big Groups Sites .. many contributions:
http://apophysis.deviantart.com/
http://aposhack.deviantart.com/
http://fractal-resources.deviantart.com/
http://fractaldreams.deviantart.com/

Uses Incindia 3D
http://djeaton3162.deviantart.com/

More Skilled:
Beautiful:
http://ard-choille.deviantart.com/
Incredible Esoteric!
http://kabuchan.deviantart.com/
Ten Groups here:
http://groups.deviantart.com/?section=groups&q=fractal

They make me think of Chakras ... which the book says are like funnels which occur in front of you and pass through your body, only to come around on the side to complete their circuit of energy.
Wiki gives it a good scientific spin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra#B.C3.B6n
Bön
Chakras, as pranic centers of the body, according to the Himalayan Bönpo tradition, influence the quality of experience, because movement of prana can not be separated from experience. Each of six major chakras are linked to experiential qualities of one of the six realms of existence.[11]
A modern teacher, Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche uses a computer analogy: main chakras are like hard drives. Each hard drive has many files. One of the files is always open in each of the chakras, no matter how "closed" that particular chakra may be. What is displayed by the file shapes experience.
The tsa lung practices such as those embodied in Trul Khor lineages open channels so lung (Lung is a Tibetan term cognate with prana or qi) may move without obstruction. Yoga opens chakras and evokes positive qualities associated with a particular chakra. In the hard drive analogy, the screen is cleared and a file is called up that contains positive, supportive qualities. A seed syllable (Sanskrit bija) is used both as a password that evokes the positive quality and the armor that sustains the quality.[11]


So I hope I am not out of line, but there will be a meeting of the hard science and the very ancient mystery school stuff ... it is all about the same thing .. ~ but Science has the Math ... and that is no small potato!!
Hypothesis:
Until our understanding is suffiently comprehensive, we are at risk.
Those not suffiently careful are also at risk.

Breath is the Courser and Mind is the Rider. -- Zoroaster
User avatar
WCSally
 
Posts: 175
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:28 pm
Location: Somewhere between an end and a beginning!

Re: Cymatics

Unread postby WCSally » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:37 am

So, maybe I'm not understanding quite yet? Waves themselves have characteristics: frequency, amplitude, etc. Basically measures of speed of oscillation and whatnot. But the method of delivery is generally different, yeah?

IE, light can be transmitted through a classical "vacuum," whereas since there is "nothing" in the vacuum, sound cannot propagate in it. Right? (afterhtought: but what if the [vacuum] 'sea of nothing' is actually a 'sea of something': neutrinos, as Thornhill suggests?)

To me it seems a bit like mixing apples and oranges, if one says that sound and light should all be lumped together? (afterthought: unless we're saying their either all-collisional, or all-EM...)


I think you have it right there ... it is apples and oranges.
AND ... it assumes or requires the AEther or neutrino field -- whatever you choose to call it.

The waves ... they are the causal function ... the light, sound, etc are the attributes of that function. Like a reflection.

The waves cause, and the light or sound, or cymatic pattern is the reflection of the action of the wave.
Hypothesis:
Until our understanding is suffiently comprehensive, we are at risk.
Those not suffiently careful are also at risk.

Breath is the Courser and Mind is the Rider. -- Zoroaster
User avatar
WCSally
 
Posts: 175
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:28 pm
Location: Somewhere between an end and a beginning!

Re: Cymatics

Unread postby WCSally » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:09 am

A 1hr audio by an acoustic archaeologist who tries to separate science and the art of experience, how we interpret experience, and those who "control" experience.

http://www.sound-space.info/media/symposium_aw.pls hacked url
http://www.sound-space.info/media/ss_symposium_aaron_watson.mp3 hacked url


When you go to the redirrect ... you get a "this server hacked by this hacker message" ... for fun ... :(

FYI
Hypothesis:
Until our understanding is suffiently comprehensive, we are at risk.
Those not suffiently careful are also at risk.

Breath is the Courser and Mind is the Rider. -- Zoroaster
User avatar
WCSally
 
Posts: 175
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:28 pm
Location: Somewhere between an end and a beginning!

Re: Cymatics

Unread postby WCSally » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:21 am

Barsoum's site at Drexel seems a little more credible in that he's not promoting a book. Plus he's done actual analysis that you can learn about without having to buy something. I don't recall if Morris had actually done any of that herself or if her contribution was basically the theory itself or maybe just its prime promoter.


Basically Both types of technology exist, and the poured aggregate now has 2 books out, one hopefully in your library, as it is out of print (but it was a good read, he even translated the Famine Stella on Elephantine!), and a new book out in 2009 .... which I am waiting impatiently for my library to obtain.

The aggregate theory is Barsoum's ... I don't know where the lady came from, but she sounds a bit hostile.

Dunn's theory holds up and if you have not seen it, the Pump model for under the pyramid is amazing as well.

Has anyone actually figured out what went boom in there to displace the stones in the King's Chamber?
Hypothesis:
Until our understanding is suffiently comprehensive, we are at risk.
Those not suffiently careful are also at risk.

Breath is the Courser and Mind is the Rider. -- Zoroaster
User avatar
WCSally
 
Posts: 175
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:28 pm
Location: Somewhere between an end and a beginning!

Re: Cymatics

Unread postby bboyer » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:28 pm

WCSally wrote:
A 1hr audio by an acoustic archaeologist who tries to separate science and the art of experience, how we interpret experience, and those who "control" experience.

http://sound-space.info/media/symposium_aw.pls hacked url
http://www.sound-space.info/media/ss_symposium_aaron_watson.mp3 hacked url


When you go to the redirrect ... you get a "this server hacked by this hacker message" ... for fun ... :(

FYI


Thanks for the heads-up. Looks like this link should be good - Watson's talk is the 2nd one down the listing.

http://www.sound-space.info/2007/prog.htm
There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad
User avatar
bboyer
 
Posts: 2410
Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm
Location: Upland, CA, USA

Re: Cymatics

Unread postby WCSally » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:20 pm

arc-us wrote:Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, I have seen the power plant hypothesis before. The cast blocks, however, is new. Were they cast in place?

Dead link:
Webcast of 2/23/07 Seminar
http://media.irt.drexel.edu/mediasite/viewer/?peid=cd83d501-eccb-497e-ad63-3d08a26de747

OP "lite-brite"


There was a book written 20 years back in which he says the blocks were cast in forms of long cedar planks (most likely) and that there is a pattern of 10 forms used, in repeated sequence patterns (which were discernible). This book is now out of print, as he has published a new one in 2009! I mailed the web site, looking for the images of the aggregate they brought back to study .. but that link is here on ThBlts! ...

All in all it makes a great deal of sense for the aggrigate components to come up the structure in those time worn baskets they use for moving sand ... and then the water would have come up by the pump, and the mixers likely just danced in the forms until it was mixed and ready to harden. Rinse water would have had a high priority I suspect.

HTH
Sally
Hypothesis:
Until our understanding is suffiently comprehensive, we are at risk.
Those not suffiently careful are also at risk.

Breath is the Courser and Mind is the Rider. -- Zoroaster
User avatar
WCSally
 
Posts: 175
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:28 pm
Location: Somewhere between an end and a beginning!

Re: Recovered: Cymatics

Unread postby webolife » Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:08 pm

Sally,
You said, and most around here probably concur, that waves "are the causative function" wrt sound and light... I disagree with the acoustical view of light, having proved to my own satisfaction and those I demonstrate it to, that the "interference" phenomenon of Young's double-slits cannot be interfering waves at all. Apart from this experimental context there is little to even suggest a wave nature to light. Au contraire, I propose that waves follow from the field geometry of the unified centropic pressure field of the universe, rather than cause it. So gravitation, ES, light, are all operations of a "condensing" universe... no inherent expansion or radial acceleration possible. Having thus said, I would also suggest, as I mentioned briefly on the cymatics thread somewhere, that the interaction of matter we see as sound or other mediated wave phenomena is fundamentally an ES phenomenon. Particles never really bump into each other at this level, they interact electrostatically causing a transfer of energy from point A to point B... this is not seen in light behavior.
Truth extends beyond the border of self-limiting science. Free discourse among opposing viewpoints draws the open-minded away from the darkness of inevitable bias and nearer to the light of universal reality.
User avatar
webolife
 
Posts: 2534
Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:01 pm
Location: Seattle

Re: Recovered: Cymatics

Unread postby WCSally » Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:46 pm

webolife wrote:Sally,
You said, and most around here probably concur, that waves "are the causative function" wrt sound and light... I disagree with the acoustical view of light, having proved to my own satisfaction and those I demonstrate it to, that the "interference" phenomenon of Young's double-slits cannot be interfering waves at all. Apart from this experimental context there is little to even suggest a wave nature to light. Au contraire, I propose that waves follow from the field geometry of the unified centropic pressure field of the universe, rather than cause it. So gravitation, ES, light, are all operations of a "condensing" universe... no inherent expansion or radial acceleration possible. Having thus said, I would also suggest, as I mentioned briefly on the cymatics thread somewhere, that the interaction of matter we see as sound or other mediated wave phenomena is fundamentally an ES phenomenon. Particles never really bump into each other at this level, they interact electrostatically causing a transfer of energy from point A to point B... this is not seen in light behavior.


Fascinating! .. I have just gotten some Haramein and Rodin Video URLs I have to go view in the library (no sound here).

I agree that the Photon is a special case ... the question being why.

"A field geometry of the unified centropic pressure field of the universe" (but the universe as we know it is mostly chopped into 3 distinct domains) ... This is a great idea, but I think it may be physically delimited by distance, and perhaps we experience only those from the largest emitter near us? Perhaps Galaxy Center? If particles have matching signatures in this domain might that account for quantum entanglement (which leads us to how and why particle signatures -- which would lead me to a BEC domain which we have yet to even think about).

Electrostatic is a concept I have little familiarity with, but will keep an open mind.
I am an adherent to the AEther theory .. the tiny tiny (Planck length domain?) particles of energy so small we do not see them as discrete but as background (like air [or water if you are a fish], sunlight if you live in our solar system).

"... no inherent expansion or radial acceleration possible" .. yet we have redshift data suggesting that we are still moving apart .. from some previous heretofore unknown event? ...

But I am also a Steady State person, and believe that the forces which move the objects of the domain are causal, (and not that we are basically inert), but that the system is dynamic and has many factors which can influence it at any time) ... For instance the 2004 Tsunami correlated with the impact on Earth of the faster than light particles from a Gamma Blast .. and we only detected the secondary wave of faster than light particles ... making the universe a much more risky place to be in!!

And are you familiar with the Variable Jetting Star in The Swan/Cygnus? There is some good theory that this is capable of influencing our DNA (native with BEC's) from a distance. And it is aimed right at us, as well. This work was first done by Andrew Collins (currently Author of the month on Graham Hancock web board) .. and is on Mr. Collins Web site. It is a very interesting read.

Yes, I am only about half way through this Cymatics thread --but I am also itching to read other threads on the board. If you want to recommend a couple. ... ?? I have been away from science for some time, and it is nice to come back and find that such amazing new and coherent theory has been generated in the interim!! :D :!:

Thanks for the prompt reply!
Hypothesis:
Until our understanding is suffiently comprehensive, we are at risk.
Those not suffiently careful are also at risk.

Breath is the Courser and Mind is the Rider. -- Zoroaster
User avatar
WCSally
 
Posts: 175
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:28 pm
Location: Somewhere between an end and a beginning!

PreviousNext

Return to New Insights and Mad Ideas

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests