Time-Reversed EM Wave

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby junglelord » Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:30 am

The quintessential proof of reverse time EM. Feynman and Mead and quantum devices of macroscopic size are the best understanding of reverse time EM in the public record.
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junglelord wrote:On Amazon.com, there is a book review for Collective Electrodynamics that almost looks like a worthy starting point ...one would have to take account of this seminal work to make the next step to quantum structure via APM. Notice the reverse wave function is a very important concept to include as this quote leads directly into the links I have made recently about Holographic principles, entropy, and reverse time EM. :D

Despite his preface upbraiding physicists for their work of the past 50-75 years, the main text makes reasonable claims based upon well-founded experimental and theoretical results. The book endorses earlier work of Einstein, Feynmann, Reimann, Lorentz, Maxwell, Planck, and others while making computational and conceptual adjustments to accommodate modern experimental results.

Also in the text, Bohr and other die-hard quantum statisticians are continually under attack for their poo-pooing of possible phenomena, algorithms, and concepts behind the observed quantum behavior. Bohr and his clan, apparently, claimed that the statistics made up the whole baseball team of quantum physics--and that we should not, and could not, look further. In refuting this micro-labotomic approach of Bohr, Dr. Mead makes reference to systems--macroscopic in size--that exhibit quantum behaviors. While he mentions lasers, masers, semiconductors, superconductors, and other systems in the text, the primary results of the book hinge upon experimental results from the field of superconductors.

He points out that physics can be split into several areas: Classical Mechanics explains un-coherent, uncharged systems such as cannon balls, planets, vehicles, etc.

Classical Electrodynamics explains un-coherent, charged systems such as conductors, currents, and their fields.

Thermodynamics explains how macroscopic statistics, such as temperature and entropy, guide the time evolution of systems.

Modern Quantum Mechanics tries to explain coherent, charged systems.

Here 'coherent' refers to quantum coherency, where many particles/atoms march to the same drum such as the photons in a laser, or the electrons in a superconductor, or any isolated one or two particles. Another description of coherency is that the states are quantum entangled; their time-evolution depends upon each other.

The thrust of Carver's book: QM applies to all matter--not just small systems or isolated particles--is well made. He brings up experimental data from superconductors to illustrate that the phenomenon of coherent quantum entanglement can, and does, occur at macroscopic scales; and that such behavior is very quantum. Thus he proves, quite convincingly, that quantum mechanics applies to all coherent systems.

He then closes by making some very important points. (1) He shows that quantum behavior of such systems can be expressed in quantum language (wave function), relativistic language (four-vectors), or electrodynamics (vector potential, scalar potential) in an equivalent fashion. This is important, as it proves that a superconductor is macroscopic, exhibits quantum behavior, and that these quantitative results agree with those found from the other approaches. (2) He makes the point that the quantum and relativistic equations show that electromagnetic phenomena consist of two parts: one traveling forward in time; the other backward in time. Feynmann and others have said this for a long time, and he shows how thermodynamics (or un-coherent behavior) forces what we see as only time-evolution in one direction in un-coherent systems. (3) He illustrates, modeling single atoms as tiny superconducting resonators, that two atoms that are coherently linked will start exchanging energy. This causes an exponential, positive-feedback loop that ends with each atom in a quantum eigenstate. Thus quantum collapse is neither discontinuous, nor instantaneous; and in fact makes a lot of sense. (4) He explains, using four-vectors, that all points on a light-cone are near each other in four space. This point--together with (2)--shows that there's no causality contradiction between relativity and quantum mechanics.

For example, he explains that two entangled particles, such as photons light years apart, can affect each other immediately if one falls into an eigenstate, since the four-dimensional distance between them (R1 dot R2) is zero. Although separated in three space, they're neighbors in four space. Through these demonstrations and proofs, he successfully suggests that there is a way to further develop the 'behavior of charged, coherent systems' such that quantum mechanics and relativity will agree--but the conceptual changes he suggests are necessary and must be further developed. Also, he admits that a better, more appropriate mathematical and computational methods will be needed, since the complexity of coherent systems runs as n^2.

Pleasantly, then, the book makes elegant, defensible, mathematical and conceptual steps to resolve some nagging points of understanding. Also, the narrative gives the best introduction to electrodynamics and quantum mechanics that I've ever seen. Since the theoretical criticisms and experimental data are quite valid, his proposed resolutions are eye-opening and valuable. The methods he suggests greatly simply thinking about complicated quantum/classical problems.

New approaches for future theoretical research are also suggested. Despite the dark tone in the preface, the book is positive, enlightening, and well anchored to accepted, modern experimental results and theoretical work. It's a short book, about 125 pages, and well worth the read. Familiarity with classical and quantum physics, and special relativity, is required to get the most out of it. As you can tell, I enjoyed it tremendously.
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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby Muser » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:50 am

I want to say thank you to both of you for being so detailed in your posts. I am not a science buff sort of person, and whilst I think I managed to grasp some of the things you were saying, one or two others were slightly above my head. Certainly enough to make it impossible for me to discuss the matter with you with any confidence. However, the ideas you gave were certainly thought provoking, and at times I could relate to one or two of the situations you mentioned, and it would appear that you have given me the scientific answer I have been seeking to a very unusual event which happened to me twenty years ago.

I will relate it, not to bring the thread into any disrepute, or to produce some otherworldly paranormal charade, but because what happened to me, if dealt with in scientific language rather than that of the New Age personnel, could be a sort of "proof" that the idea expressed in this thread is not just a "mad idea" without any evidence.

My children were still very young, five and four, and my eldest was mentally disabled. I had taken them to a play park, and they loved to climb a very tall, spiral slide, which had a concrete base to keep it in place. My husband always let them play on it, although I was more wary. This particular day I gave into their pleas. My son (the eldest) went up first, and my daughter (the youngest) would follow as she was more alert and aware of her surroundings. Things were fine, and my anxiety diminished. I relaxed. Then suddenly, the children changed places. I noted this but didn't worry about it. Half way up the slide my daughter let go of the rails and turned to wave at me. She then started to climb but failed to grip the rails again properly and I saw her fall back, both arms off the rails, and this unexpected movement made my son fall back too, and he also let go of the rails.

As I watched I "knew" they would fall on the concrete and have at best a serious injury or at worst a fatality. I couldn't move closer to help as they were already falling. I screamed SILENTLY the word was "NO"!!! Suddenly I found myself in a black void, and I was just a form of awareness energy. (I have had this happen once before but have never been able to bring this state to mind at will) I saw what appeared to be a tv screen floating in mid air, and definitely on because the light eminating from it was extremely bright. I watched the whole thing happen again, and saw my children both letting go and falling. I somehow, on an emotional level, shook my head with the feeling of the word NO. I then saw a second tv screen come beside the first and saw the fall begin again but this time my son held on, stopping the event reaching its conclusion. I accepted this with a sort of emotional nod, and then I found myself drawn into the second screen and slowly I took up the control of my body, with the last thing to be regained being my hearing. I then found I could move and went to my children who were crying but still alive. I took my son down first, then went for my daughter who had somehow slid her legs through the top empty riser, with her body at right hangles to her legs and held against the iron step. She was gripping it, and my son had managed to hold her in that position until I came.

When I got home I went over what had happened. My husband came to the only conclusion he could think of - namely that I had somehow changed the event, gone back a moment in time, and amended the result. I could not stop the event happening, only the outcome. I didn't want to believe this was the truth. I couldn't see how it was even possible.

Others who I spoke to who were of a rational mind stated that I had imagined them falling together and that they had managed to save themselves from the beginning. I can't accept that as I saw the event three times in total! That would be impossible under normal circumstances as I have proved to myself in the past. I have had falls, blanked out during the fall, and then found myself on the ground without too many bruises. This was different, I followed the event THREE times.

I have always wondered about this event, and waited for some sort of scientific explanation to give a possible confirmation that this could happen. Believe it or not this thread and its time reversed EM wave does indicate the event I have described could, under certain circumstances, actually happen. For that I have to thank you both.
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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby junglelord » Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:03 am

I am a very rare spinal cord survivor, a walking quadraplegic in fact, or invisible is another term they throw my way. I had the dream of the accident, twice, when I was 10. This occured within the same month I had another dream that came true, the week I dreamed it, at school in class to Randell Beckstead and the teacher. Man did that blow my ten year old mind in grade 4.
:shock:

I never forgot those two car accident dreams and my after effect thingy....so that when I had the accident, I had also come to know the place as the "dark corner" due to other dreams about that place. So that after the accident, I am very mystified and often discuss this thing with my psychologist, that unlike your position where you had a choice, I had no choice.

I have had many dejevu since my accident, but that may be brain injury.

Since I had neurological symptoms for a day after the car accident dreams.....tell me what all that means about time, the future, dreams?
:?

Since I have seen it as an inescapeable event, I have taken it as a path that has merit in a larger sense, so I have learned that as a soft tissue pain specialist who was writing a new work based on my clinical experience, that from the inside a broken body is the best place to push the boundries of therapy. I am therefore the therapist and the lab rat....LOL.
:D ;) :lol:

This and the EU has allowed me to pull together the last threads of my biophysics along with APM and Tesla knowledge, and my graduate student, my therapist and best friend, well we have learned many things from my body.
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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby Muser » Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:22 am

All I can do is admire your grit and determination. Thank you for that insight and good luck for the future.

I still believe that this idea of a time=reverse EM wave is definitely on the right track, even if I can't discuss it in highly scientific language.

I have always said that time cannot be seen as a linear thing, future becomes present becomes past, and no-one can see what happens either side of this path. We live in a 3D world and so time should be experienced 3-dimentionally too (at least). I have also always considered an event in time to be like pebble dropped in a pool of water, the ripples go in all directions, so future has to have some effect on the present, and the past, and the past in turn must have some effect on the present and future, whilst the present tries to deal with the actual action.

One thing I can say is that our brains don't deal with all of the stimulus immediately, having filtered out some information first before even acknowledging what has occurred. This has to cause a time-delay, so that our conscious thought must always be of a time in the recent past. It is the subconscious thoughts that are more likely to be in the present, if we can respond to them without going through the logical conscious area of the brain - this does happen when you suddenly follow a hunch. But how much of the subconscious mind is actually receiving signals from the ripples of the future, even if they are only possible futures and not definites?

Logic finds it difficult to deal with illogical ideas unfortunately.
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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby webolife » Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:26 pm

Please let this proposition NOT de-amaze either of your stories...
I'm wondering, from the standpoint of neurochemistry and memory, if deja vu is simply a misplacement of a memory bit in a sequencially out of order position in the chronological sequencing section of the cerebral cortex; ie instead of going to the end of the line where it belongs, the most recent bit cuts in ahead somewhere, rendering it the status of a memory, rather than current event? Any insight on this JL?
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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby junglelord » Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:34 pm

I don't think I understand what your trying to say.
:?

Not sure that deja vu is the actual term for my precognative dreams. I have had many deja vu which is an experience while your awake, not connected to a dream.
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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby Muser » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:56 am

Deja Vu is something that could be linked to a time reversed EM wave, or it could be a misplaced memory as suggested. It could also be that we are going over a lifetime, similar to when you get involved with build-em-up games, and we are creating an identical situation, resulting in our memory somehow noticing the repetition.

It could also be something different altogether.

I once had an experience which surprised me, although many would consider it to be insignificant. For me, all memories have some form of emotional tag with them. The emotion may be small, or large, but it is always there. I can't comment on how other people remember, especially when remembering events, or environmental images (the world around them). Once I did something and I was aware that I had been through this whole situation, both visually and practically, before, yet, I felt as if I had no emotional tag to it at all and it was as if I had never experienced it before on the emotional plane, yet I had definitely experienced it on the practical "deja vu" level. This mixed memory was very disconcerting and I have never forgotten the way I felt and thought at the time.

We tend to remember the memories of experiences that were "one offs" or different in some way to the normal routine, at least on a conscious plane. Routine actions, events, end up in what I term the "automatic" part of the brain where little of the event actually is processed in the conscious brain. Because there is nothing to be noted about the event/action it "goes through on the nod" to the "automatic" part of the brain to be carried out.

Clearly our brains do not work in quite the way we have been led to believe.

I would also add that there is "time delay" effect which scientists have recently found out in a study they carried out. I can't remember the web address for it but I was not surprised to learn that there is a time delay between the body getting stimuli, and then acknowledging and acting upon it. Apparently the amount of time delay is as much as 10 seconds.

Time is not what we have been led to believe it is, and our brains are different too. Not everything can be satisfied logically it seems.
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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby webolife » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:27 pm

JL, Muser seems to get my drift... I understand that PET scans show that the brain maps memories in a way that is surprisingly similar to a 3D mapping. Locations for the muscle memory for example trace out a shape in the cortex which is highly suggestive of/correlated to the body shape. I figured you might be familiar with this finding. The mapping of chronological sequencing likewise is multidimensional, leading to association of recent experiences with places, memories, emotions, etc. as Muser was also implying, that occasionally cause out-of-sequence (sequencially split)mapping of the memory bit, hence the experience is interpreted as a memory, which I analogized to "cutting in line", rather than going to the back (in correct chronological sequence). This would occur any time especially awake, not just in dream sequencing.
However, since dream sequencing for most of us mixes/connects chronological sequencing and emotional bits fairly randomly, a strongly felt or remembered dream could be the shortcutting device to a non-chronological bit placement, ie deja vu.
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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby junglelord » Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:32 pm

I figured you might be familiar with this finding.

Very familiar, infact I can even "cure" phantom limb pain....via the homunculus, sight and mirrors.
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Brain scans have taught us much about things like pain, emotions, etc.
The body runs in both forward and reverse EM wave mode, specificly because of impulse nerve transmission (scalar, soliton). Sensors of the body detect time reversed information.
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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby Divinity » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:55 am

junglelord wrote:
I figured you might be familiar with this finding.

Very familiar, infact I can even "cure" phantom limb pain....via the homunculus, sight and mirrors.
:ugeek:
Brain scans have taught us much about things like pain, emotions, etc.
The body runs in both forward and reverse EM wave mode, specificly because of impulse nerve transmission (scalar, soliton). Sensors of the body detect time reversed information.
;)


Very interesting, this whole topic of reverse EM waves, Junglelord. Could this be the physics explanation behind why our thoughts directly correlate to the health of our bodies? i.e. As Chopra and others (Christian Scientists, specifically) have claimed, that with disciplined, loving, thoughts, our cells can replenish faster and we are able to reduce ageing, disease and other physical phenomena we previously thought were 'natura'l?

People who heal 'ley lines' , sacred sites and Earth vortices know their thoughts affect energy/chi and can free-up blockages (using mental Soliton waves by focused intent?) of negativity. I've always believed that with the correct mind-power, one can do this with one's body too and heal almost anything. Are you saying, perhaps, that the reverse EM waves could potentially avert ageing and/or replace damaged cells with healthy ones? If so, can you imagine the potential? :shock:

(There is a belief system, too, that the more mind-power one uses, the younger a person can become because the body becomes 'fooled' to believe it's living longer, i.e. the brain/body doesn't 'believe' in time - it ages depending on what it's actually doing/the events which pass. As its information which tells the cells to regenerate, die or get older, I'm wondering just what limits there are on the human psyche, if any, relating to our own well-being plus how we actually do it!). :ugeek:

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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby lizzie » Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:36 pm

Divinity said:

Junglelord. Could this be the physics explanation behind why our thoughts directly correlate to the health of our bodies?


Antoine Priore-Healing powers of longitudinal waves
http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=650407

Healing via longitudinal waves, time reversal of cells (de-differentiation), Priore's machine, Bearden's proposed "blanket" version, using the electric power grid for healing waves or for broadcasting disease patterns.
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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby Muser » Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:34 am

Looking at a different aspect of time altogether, I have recently been rereading the book by J W Dunne, An Experiment in Time. This was written originally in the 1920, and revised at the third edition in the 1930s. I was reminded of this book when I heard a programme on UK Radio which included a talk by Michael Bentine. He was known to have psychic abilities and to have studied the subject. He also stated in this programme that he knew Dunne and had spoken with him several times.

Because of this the rereading of the book began and I admit I found it easier to relate to what he was saying, now that I am twenty years older, than before.

Dunne has as part of his theory the idea that dreams incorporate both past and future events, and then integrate them into the dream form we are sometimes able to remember. He may not have talked about a time reversed EM wave, but his work does indicate some sort of message coming back through time to the from the future to the past.

Has anyone read his book? How many people are able to remember their dreams? How many dreams have been prophetic?

I would like to know more, just out of curiosity.
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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:28 pm

Muser and Junglelord, thank you for sharing your very interesting anecdotes and, borrowing from Webolife, please let this proposition NOT de-amaze either of your stories...

Muser's story of the incident in the park was very much a NOW! thing, whereas Junglelord's dream of his car accident was set in the future. I think my interpretation can cover both cases.
To show where I'm coming from I would like to start with a couple of quotes which state things better than I can.
Hindu cosmology is non-dualistic. Everything that is is Brahman. Brahman is the eternal Now, and in eternity there is no “before” or “after”, for everything is everywhere, always. To use the words of Pascal “it is a circle the center of which is everywhere and the circumference nowhere.” (Sudhakar S.D, 1988. P5)
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http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Philosoph ... ndu.Quotes


We start with the archetypal, the world as an idea, a thought, a mathematical conception such as space, which contains all things. To this idea we add a creative impulse, and the world is endowed with a will to unfold itself and we enter the sphere of time, of thought in extension. From this unfolding emerges form - geometricity, or a multiplication of spaces, shadows of things to be. So far there is no materiality; only mathematics, numbers, and letters; symbols, of shapes which are still dreaming. Lastly, in these forms movement is born and they become what we call substantial; then only do we enter the physical world of action - of materialized thought.
JFC Fuller - The Secret Wisdom of the Qabalah. Page 36.

I will try to keep this brief but it will probably come out wrong. Thought, Will, Word: Before the act of creation the Creator <insert name of god here> 'thought' through everything - every variable, permutation, possiblity, etc. Everything that could ever be now exists in potentio. The Creator then Wills the creation into existance and issues the Word to make its Will manifest - Hey Presto! We have a Universe.

Now moving forward in (non-existent) time to Muser in the park with her children. The children begin to fall. Muser then, instinctively, does Thought, Will, Word - thinks 'I don't want my children injured; (from deep within herself) her Will is activated and she issues the Word (No!). Because of the threat to her children, she has effectively dropped the automatic pilot (the brain) and gone over to manual (her higher-self or her mind or her soul). The Universe (or the Dao) responds, as it must. Muser however, has effectively issued a negative command, so the Universe pauses and takes her off-line if you will - she is removed from the physical or sensory Universe and brought back to the underlying Reality. Muser is then 'shown' the paths which can be taken or the variables available at this juncture or point in 'time'. Muser then chooses her option and everything goes back online again. (I'm not sure what would have happened if Muser had tried to choose an option that involved not leaving home in the first place, probably it would still have worked).

Junglelord. Junglelord is a child at the time of his dreams. His brain (transceiver) has not completed it's hard-wiring (it had not finished being programmed or conditioned by experience in the sensory world; put simply - it has not been told it can't do this). JL dreams of his car accident and unfortunately (I'm guessing) for him between the dream and the actual event all the variables in his life lead him to the actual accident as dreamt (like logic-gates in electronics?). Now when he had the dream, his higher-self, mind or soul (which is in effect the thing doing the dreaming) 'knows' that the dream is going to pan-out into (JL's physical) 'reality' and introduces him to what he called his dark corner. Now, I'm guessing here, but I suspect that JL's dark corner is the same place to which Muser went when it all went dark prior to seeing the 'images' on the 'screen'. Because (the actual) JL is in his dark corner and not in his physical body he is able to heal his body (or at least to a better extent than he would if he was still in it and subject to the same trauma as the body).

This is essentially how prophecy works (or not as the case may be). Your prophet or seer 'sees' an event of the future but whether he gets it right is dependent on whether the variables between his vision and the event play out in the correct way. (It also, of course, depends on the ability of the prophet).

Any of that make any sense?

I would like, if I may, to have a quick word with Webolife who wondered:
...if deja vu is simply a misplacement of a memory bit in a sequencially out of order position in the chronological sequencing section of the cerebral cortex

Memory bit? :shock: Chronological sequencing? :shock: And they say romance is dead. Where's your soul, man? :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

With regard to Muser's musings on time and how the brain deals with it, I once watched a documentary about an American scientist doing experiments which involved sitting peole in front of a monitor and showing them random images and measuring the body's reactions. These images consisted of pleasant, unpleasant and neutral. They were shown in random order and with a variable time interval between images. What the guy found was that the body reacted a split-second before the image appeared on the screen. And that it always(?) reacted correctly, i.e it cringed prior to an unpleasant image and relaxed before a pleasant image. Not what he was expecting.

Now Muser's 'emotionless' deja vu experience is, to me, explained by her 'experiencing' the potential 'thing' at the same time as she is putting the potential into realisation. She had not actually experienced or done the thing previously - hence the absence of the 'emotional tag'. Just out of curiosity, was this before or after the incident in the park?

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in fact I can even "cure" phantom limb pain....via the homunculus, sight and mirrors.

Did you steal that off Ramachandran? I've watched some fascinating documentaries featuring him and his work.

If you want to know what the human mind can do, check out Kevin's Dowsing and the Lattice thread it's the best on the forum ;)

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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby Muser » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:15 am

Grey cloud, thank you for your thoughts. I will have to dwell on them deeply to fully appreciate them.

What I will say here which I think needs to be said, as no-one I have ever read has ever said this: When we say, NO, we actually mean KNOW! By this I mean that the sound is what is important, and the two words sound the same but have different meanings.

When you say to a child, NO, you are saying, wait, do you know the consequences of your actions? If the child has thought everything through and is prepared to take responsibility for the consequences there is no alternative but to let the child go and do what it wishes, even if you as a more mature and experienced person recognise the dangers in that action.

I say that I said NO, silently, and at the time I did, but years later I began to realise that it was the sound I said, not the meaning of the word I had at the time. In a way, I was answered the query, KNOW, because I was given the chance to see two possibilities, and also realise that it was impossible for me to change the actual event, but I was able to change the OUTCOME! This can only happen if I KNOW if any other outcomes are possible, and if I am then able to select the outcome I want.

Since then I have been fascinated with the sounds of words, the meanings, the way words and meaning change from language to language, especially the older forms.

As for the eternal NOW. Yes, I believe there is a possibility of an eternal now, but I also believe there can be some form of free will. This is true if life is a form of computer game, which has certain rules and forms already in place which can never be changed, but also some flexibility as to how these forms and rules operate - this flexibility is what we call FREE WILL. I was able, for once in my life, to exercise that free will and at just the precise right moment temporarily stop events and opt for a change in the pathways of preset life.

The deja vu incident happened AFTER the time in the park.

But thanks again Grey Cloud. Your ideas are worth exploring in more depth.
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Re: Time-Reversed EM Wave

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:52 am

Muser,
I understand where you are coming from with the 'no' - 'know' thing but I would suggest that it only applies in English.
To me the important thing about the 'no' that you issued that day in the park, whether vocalised or not, was not the word itself but the intent behind it and the sincerity. The fact that it was done for others rather than yourself may have added weight to it also.
Virtually everything I read (esoteric, spiritual, metaphysical etc) says that the heart is the centre. Logic lives in the brain but intuition lives in the heart. You spoke from the heart.
The heart chakra is the middle (4th) of seven chakras. It is also the first of the higher chakras. Interestingly, to me anyway, there is no chakra associated with the brain as such. The two chakras in the head, the brow and the crown, are associated with the pituitry and pineal glands respectively.

A couple of years ago I had a problem with my left shoulder. At first I thought it was a pulled muscle or a trapped nerve or similar. Basically, I was not in any pain or discomfort until I moved my arm in a certain way, e.g. reaching for something at which point a bolt of pain would hit my shoulder. This wnet on for months, with the afected area gradually spreading along my shoulder up my neck and into the bottom of my head, and down my arm to my elbow. I'm left-handed which didn't help. It got to the stage where I couldn't hold out my left arm at 90 degrees from my body let alone raise it above my head.
Even at this stage I wan't in any pain unless I moved my arm. I didn't see a doctor as I have absolutely no time for my G.P., the NHS or Western medicine in general. I was going to arrange to see a friend of friend who practises Shiatsu.
Anyway, one day I was sat on the edge of my bed and, without thinking, reached across to the dressing table to grab a pen or something, and Whammo a bolt of pain hit me from down below my left elbow to up behind my left ear. Instantaneously, and without thinking, I issued a (very) heartfelt F*** OFF! (in a much larger font than this). And much to my surprise, it did. It took me a week or two to be able to get my arm above my head again but that was because it had been months since my arm had been that far North. The pain went at that moment and has never returned. My left arm is just as good as my right in terms of movement, strength etc.
So my point is that it doesn't appear to be what you say but where it comes from.

Muser wrote:
Since then I have been fascinated with the sounds of words, the meanings, the way words and meaning change from language to language, especially the older forms.

I have been interested in words all my life. Words have power, and not just in the obvious sense that they can make you laugh or cry. Words are vibrations. In one of your posts you mention dropping a pebble into a pond and the ripples moving outward. This is a useful analogy but it does not go far enough because the ripples on a pond move in two dimensions. Words (including thoughts) move out in 360 degrees in three dimensions (spherically).
I think a large part of today's problems (speaking from a UK perspective) is due to the breakdown of language (or language breaking-down might be better). Everything from postmodern philosophy (including Derrida's Deconstruction), to political correctness (which is in fact the negation of politics), to valuing diversity (where they in fact value conformity), to advertising (where everything is described in superlatives and hyperbole etc), to the yoof-of-today (many of whom do not appear to be capable of sentence structure when I hear them speak/grunt/mumble), to 'the information age' (which in fact contains little worthwhile information but much mis-, dis- and duff information).
G.I. Gurdjieff (very interesting chap) makes the point, in one of his books, that the ancients did not invent words willy-nilly like we do. They stuck with the vocabulary they had and wrote in allegory, what Gurdjieff calls 'making like alike' (or something along those lines). I constantly see evidence of the veracity of Gurdjieff's position in my reading. Apart from a lot of ancient material I also read a lot of academic books and academics and scholars would not know an allegory if they tripped over one. A couple of good examples are Homer's Iliad on which scholars have used an ocean of ink and forest's worth of paper trying to determine exactly where and when all this was happening and what it is about. Whereas, if one reads, say, Renaissance alchemists, you will see them referencing the Iliad to illustrate some part of the alchemical process. Alchemists have been doing that for over 2 thousand years actually and they also reference the likes of Plato and Aristotle among others notables.
The other example is Jason and the Golden Fleece check out the wiki article here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Fleece
Whoever wrote the article lists 17 interpretations which have been proposed. These range from farm management to the forgiveness of god to a fabric woven from sea silk.
Oops, I appear to have taken us somewhat off-topic so I will close.
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I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
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