BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

[WCSally]

Having overcome this afternoon's vitriol ...

I had this to put up ...
There is more oil on the sea bed, and a bigger leak 6 miles away!!
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/05/ ... heres.html

Matt Simmons was an energy adviser to President George W. Bush, is an adviser to the Oil Depletion Analysis Centre, and is a member of the National Petroleum Council and the Council on Foreign Relations. Simmon is chairman and CEO of Simmons & Company International, an investment bank catering to oil companies.

Simmons told Dylan Ratigan that "there's another leak, much bigger, 5 to 6 miles away" from the leaking riser and blowout preventer which we've all been watching on the underwater cameras:

I have no idea whether or not Simmons is right. The government should immediately either debunk or admit his claim.

If accurate, the bigger leak could have been caused by the destruction of the well casing when the oil rig exploded. That is Simmons' theory.

Or it could be caused by a natural oil seep, although the odds of a seep of that size occurring right around the time of the Deep Horizon disaster is nearly zero.

There is another possibility.

It is well-known that there were previous accidents at the Deepwater Horizon rig. For example, as AP notes:

From 2000 to 2010, the Coast Guard issued six enforcement warnings and handed down one civil penalty and a notice of violation to Deepwater Horizon, agency records show.
On 18 different occasions during that period the Coast Guard cited the vessel for an "acknowledged pollution source."

These fellows from the US Oil People say there is a big bunch of crude lying on the bottom off Delaware ... waiting to be sucked up by hoses and taken to market ... -- they also say that it came from "another leak 6 miles from the disaster" ... and that no one has even looked at it ... and imply that it is also a BP issue ....

[lizzie]

Seasmith said: globe rings like a bell.

WCSally said:

Not going there, not doing that ... never .. never .. never!!
Not my team, not my belief system, not my path ... isn't going to happen! What you describe is life in the belly of Dr. Droid

Well in all fairness to Seasmith, he is simply reiterating what Tesla said. Whether he’s a believer in Dr. Droid remains to be seen.

Good vibrations from the stars: Our planet rings like a bell after a large earthquake. Stars can ring, too. Astronomers use these vibrations to probe stellar interiors and even estimate the age of the Universe
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg1 ... verse.html

ASTRONOMERS and geophysicists share a common handicap. Neither can see directly inside the object they study. The interiors of stars are completely shielded from view: astronomers can see less than 0.01 per cent of our Sun, the star we know best. Most of the Earth is also out of reach. The deepest oil wells and mines barely scratch the surface of our planet. The Earth's core, separated from us by only a few thousand kilometres, might as well be light years away. Despite this, geophysicists have a fairly detailed idea of the internal structure of the Earth, carefully pieced together through seismology, the study of earth tremors. In recent years, the discovery of vibrations on the surface of the Sun and a few other stars has inspired astronomers to adopt a similar approach. This new breed of stellar seismologists hopes to uncover some of the secrets hidden in the centres.

Solar waves make Earth ring like a bell
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/21/earth_bell/

Sounds generated deep in the fiery depths of the Sun make Earth, its atmosphere, and even its magnetic field ring like many cosmic bells.

According to researchers on the Ulysses mission, there are distinct tones that are thought to be generated by energy and pressure waves in the Sun. Now, researchers have identified these same tones in the Earth's seismic data, and even in induced voltages in ocean cabling.

The vibrations in the Sun have two causes: pressure waves and gravity waves, which are referred to as p-mode and g-mode, respectively. Scientists hope to use the g-mode waves to study the interior of the Sun, in the same way that seismic data can provide an insight into the inner workings of Earth.

But although the p-mode solar oscillations have been observed by the SOHO observatory, g-mode vibrations are not optically detectable. But the evidence of the waves is there, and easily detectable, in data on Earth.

Lead researcher David Thomson says data from the Ulysses mission provides clues as to how the sounds reach Earth. He suggests the vibrations are picked up by the magnetic field at the Sun's surface. The solar wind then carries the field into interplanetary space, where space probes like Ulysses can pick up the signal.

The solar wind also interacts with the Earth's magnetic field, causing it to vibrate in sympathy. From our magnetic field, the signal is picked up by our many technological systems, as well as the planet itself.

The researchers add that the tones are far beyond the edge of human hearing, some 12 octaves below the lowest detectable note. While orchestras tune up to the A above middle C, at around 440 Hertz, the Earth rings at a much more stately 100-5000microHz. That is one vibration every 278 hours, or 11.5 days.

http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/in ... 50677.html [Is that you, Junglelord? Kevin will help you to understand the "spiral patterns" required and to select the proper "ferrous material" - Hornsfels
http://www.meteoriteimpactsite.com/albu ... cones.html ]

I have a quick and dirty question to ask. I have earlier posted about how to make a coil resonate at the Schumann resonance frequency (or multiples of if), and thank you all for your help so far. I thought I may as well tell you what I am trying to do here. I have an idea for a way to make an electrical generator that would be powered by the Schumann resonance frequency. The idea is rather simple and I am confident that I could get it to work if I could get all the tuning issues worked out.

The basic idea is to take a toroid ring made of some ferrous material, and wrap three coils around it (spaced 120 degrees apart but with spaces between them). One of the coils would be tuned to resonate at the Schumann resonance once a magnet is placed next to it. The idea here is that the coil that is resonating would induce a current in the other two coils that are on the toroid loop and cause them to resonate too. But since they are spaced 120 degrees apart, the resonance would be three-phase (I think, this is all hypothetical here). The idea here would be to get these three coils to resonate out of phase to cause the toroid as a whole to appear to have a rotating magnetic field (to mimic a normal bar magnet being mechanically spun). I'll have to stop right here with the explanation because this is where I'm running into a lot of trouble. I'm not even sure if what I am describing here could work, but it seems like there should be some kind of way to do this.

Ideally, the thought is that if I could get this rotating magnetic field effect to work, I could wind one big secondary coil around the entire toroid to induce an electrical current in it. I know I'm making a lot of assumptions here and I really don't have the technical background to really make this work on my own. So I thought I'd get a few ideas on it. What do you all think? Is this something that could possibly work?

[junglelord]

I was listening to a CBC radio show today.
The guest said that a larger spill by the Saudi government took place.
The CBC interview said "We never heard about that"
He replied that they operate under "different channels".
He said the thing was, that the Saudi's took immediate action with massive oil tankers.
They sucked up the oil at the surface, no dispercent (which is very toxic).
He has passed this on to BP, as it was EFFECTIVE and prevented the spill from moving away.
They have yet to act on this idea...as it is under consideration.

Go figure.

[StevenJay]

Meanwhile (I watched this a couple weeks ago), amidst all of the finger-pointing and worthless speculation, these two experienced "hayseed" problem-solvers are being completely ignored (no surprise). Am I missing something? I think not. This, like virtually every war being fought, isn't meant to be "won," merely prolonged as possible for whatever nefarious agenda.

Was it caused intentionally? Who knows. Is it being played like a royal flush? You frillin' betcha.

[WCSally]

I was listening to a CBC radio show today.
The guest said that a larger spill by the Saudi government took place.
The CBC interview said "We never heard about that"
He replied that they operate under "different channels".
He said the thing was, that the Saudi's took immediate action with massive oil tankers.
They sucked up the oil at the surface, no dispersant (which is very toxic).
He has passed this on to BP, as it was EFFECTIVE and prevented the spill from moving away.
They have yet to act on this idea...as it is under consideration.

Go figure.

They said there were so many boats and things in the water a tanker would not be safe, and they have to be tugged, and that would not be safe either ... they did try a little with the one boat which got some oil.

All that dispersant .. that was to cover the lie about how many gallons per day I suspect ... a very bad call.

I hope we find a way to see it with the satellites ... it should not be too hard.
Ah speaking of which:
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featur ... index.html
Spill in cyan:
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featur ... 520-b.html
Big Image:
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/4564 ... 0-full.jpg

I figure this is a big money thing for big money people who like to play big money games, and don't give an blink about what it does to the rest of humanity or the planet ... This entire concept seems to me corrupt from the get go ... so we tend to say ... Oh heavens .. such a scenario could never be ... [{{Old, old leather does not exist even in the Big Easy.}}] ...
But that is just "me" being overwhelmed by the very strange mix of not-showing but still there: frothing panic, cold 'unreasonable' sort of logic, and THE total mess up (Disaster Capitalism style) of the whole thing from an ecological point of view, and a handful of tales on what went wrong and who to blame. Plus there is way more oil 6 miles away, and there is proof of gulf Seepage from years of NASA pictures:

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilslick.html

Hu and colleagues then defined a geographic area of the western Gulf and obtained MODIS images for the month of May for nine consecutive years (2000 to 2008) from NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. The team reviewed more than 200 images containing sun glint, and found more than 50 with extensive oil slicks

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Those US oil men say using a Balloon-item under the sea to maintain down pressure would work ... so here is another tac.

I have not heard anymore about the oil getting into the Atlantic (thought it has -- more beach clean up ahead?) ...
Nor about the oil raining down on people's cars ... reports ...

OR ... what South Coast people should do to protect their lungs!!
...
This stuff will aspirate from the ocean in the wave action and onshore winds and it will be AROUND LONG ENOUGH to really be a serious health threat!!

Clean up workers have gone to hospitals already .. boats have been pulled from spills .. is this a certain type of Petrol Product which is more harmful that CRUDE? ... this orange stuff?

The Benzine RING is a natural invader and alter-er of carbon based life form life .. it's got the grab power, and it's got the right form to change a lot of body things ... mutations will happen in the gulf, too.

... and so many things will die from swimming through that dispersant stuff the red tide will be over joyed at the banquet!
... can you imagine that stuff on gills? ... on eyes? ...

Will we need Gulf Refugee Camps? for people who want to maintain their health??

Maybe this is Obama's Chernobyl!!

[junglelord]

Well according to the CBC interview, the Saudi deep oil leak was a larger one then this one, and the tanker idea worked...perfectly, so well, we NEVER heard or knew about it....so you can use tankers and you can give them space to suck up oil....but they do not. So unlike the Saudi one this one is visible from space, because they do not contain nor suck up the oil.

[seasmith]

Seasmith:

One hears a tale
think as you smell,

Bang on Brazil
globe rings like a bell.

Not going there, not doing that ... never .. never .. never!!
Not my team, not my belief system, not my path ... isn't going to happen!

WCSally

Eh ??

I was alluding to a possible connection between a "quake" in Brazil and a near simultaneous resonant response over a bell-like globe.

Vitriol is bad for the soul.

~

BP
Bringing Petroleum to America's shores

[GaryN]

Wrestling another one in the North Sea, too.

Gas build-up threatens North Sea oil rig

Workers evacuated as Norwegian engineers pump cement into offshore well to prevent explosion as Deepwater crisis highlights environmental dangers of drilling

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... gas-threat

[WCSally]

Seasmith:

One hears a tale
think as you smell,

Bang on Brazil
globe rings like a bell.

Not going there, not doing that ... never .. never .. never!!
Not my team, not my belief system, not my path ... isn't going to happen!

WCSally

Eh ??

I was alluding to a possible connection between a "quake" in Brazil and a near simultaneous resonant response over a bell-like globe.

Vitriol is bad for the soul.
~
BP
Bringing Petroleum to America's shores

Yep, I got that! But I was thinking that the resonance was that of Methane and Crude .. and where there were large deposits of this stuff the Earth would tell us in this fashion. ... So ... Oil under Brazil .. boy howdy, and Florida, certainly, and other places (thought the islands threw me). Strange way to wild cat oil, but hey, if it works...

Our "Spaceship" EARTH .. I think her core is Quartz (still have not gotten that link, sorry) ... I think the below grounders can change the axis (mostly because it only changes by increments of 15 degrees each time) ... and why would it only change by fixed amounts (so they do not mess up their map of exits, entrances, water and air ducts, sanitation, etc .. nor put the harmonics out of balance.) .. So call me a weirdo ... but I think we are just one of the races here ... one doing much of the work, and getting too much of the bad stuff, because of bad decisions: Wreck the language, wreck the eco system, wreck the infrastructure, keep 'em on the ropes, and we have not learned to come together to fix the forcing of these issues. ... YET ...

Peru a Thought:
http://browse.deviantart.com/scraps/?or ... y#/d1icrro
Reminiscence:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2 ... =809802727

Apologies I "really" should not type when my emotional temperature is three times higher than my standard rational temperature and it overpowering all other systems.

Some 13 odd years of dropped phrases, odd hints and double talk about the sense of smell -- (which I lacked!)~ (coupled with my cousin's ability to taste something completely different from what he is eating) ... have made me a tad sensitive to smell items ... and it is nothing you could have known about. PLUS yesterday was a lolla-polusa of a bad, bad day ... from one point to another it was one of those days you want to just forget ever happened .. yet you dare not!! For you must remember that you likely alienated someone (spiritually hidden and high) in a very bad way and it will likely turn back up in a very bad time! I HOPE NOT!! ARGH!!! .. So much for standing up for your principles when the person opposite you is child-esque.


... and it spilled over here ..... so I apologize .. ...though Brazil is terribly intriguing, there are cannibals in Olde Hie Brasil near the city of Ma-Noa ... & it has enough of those exotic diseases that I will forebear from ever visiting! ... The young archeology students and the wealthy explorers can try it. I expect we could find that S. America has "far more" to offer than Egypt will ever give up ... until/unless we get underground over there.

Please forgive the small personquake of unrestrained response to a purely personal issue.
I could not smell until my boy was born, and now he is gone, I only have "instances" but if I avail myself of those, I give him away to others -- who are not kind. ... I know how it works, but my waters are very uncool.

[WCSally]

Well according to the CBC interview, the Saudi deep oil leak was a larger one then this one, and the tanker idea worked...perfectly, so well, we NEVER heard or knew about it....so you can use tankers and you can give them space to suck up oil....but they do not. So unlike the Saudi one this one is visible from space, because they do not contain nor suck up the oil.

How about the possibility that Corexit could go airborne and be absorbed into clouds, and travel the globe raining down destruction?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread576471/pg1

I hope someone does work on this (good hard lab work or field work) and gives us the details on yeah or nah ... whether this is an issue or a non-starter ... it is in large part deep in the water, but may rise with ocean heating in the summer; and it may get out!! It could come in on beaches father north in the Atlantic ... ?? get into clouds -- travel the world?? .... not a nice idea, but better prepared than sorry.

I think minds (which know they blew it ... and are in deep trouble) ... may not be able to get back to good solid thinking!! ... It looks to me like the guys who called the mistakes .. just kept on calling them ... to cover up this, to not say or deny that ...to keep up the pretense and keep down the facts ... very bad catastrophe-manship.

They get the benefit of the doubt (until we get their e-mails).

What would really hurt ... is if they were forbidden from drilling in US waters for a while (say couple/few years) ... because of the safely record, and because of the lack of trustworthiness.

That would hurt more than any amount of chastisement .... I think they only think in dollars and time ... that is why the did not tell about Top Kill 1 not working until the market closed for the day! There was a push to buy (undervalued) BP in the market on Top Kill One day.

According to the NASA data you could siphon crude off the bottom of the Gulf very often ... there is a 10 year data set to prove it!!
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilslick.html

From today's Gulf Pics:
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featur ... index.html

[GaryN]

Good links WCSally, I think most people will be very surprised to learn just how much oil enters the ocean naturally.
It seems that the oil that seeps naturally from the seabed though, has had a chance to 'cook' to a point where it presents less of a problem to nature than the 'greener' stuff that we are taking from the lower levels. The extreme high pressure, and the abundance of gas at these deeper levels would seem to confirm that oil is being created and modified as it rises through the layers of the earth. The oil in the tar sands has had to rise the furthest, so is the thickest? I suspect if we went looking, we would find asphalt mounds or even mountains, much larger than those off the California coast.

[GaryN]

Just having a look at the sea-floor in the Gulf, in Google Earth, and came upon this. An asphalt volcano. There are dozens if not hundreds of mounds around the Gulf, some of them many miles in diameter. Wonder if they are all asphalt?

Asphalt, commonly known to us as the material that covers our streets, has been found flowing out of mounds that rise 450 to 800 meters above the desert-like floor of the Gulf of Mexico.

http://www.marum.de/en/Asphalt_volcanoe ... vered.html

"Chapopote-A Deep-Sea Asphalt Volcano" lat=21.9, lon=-93.433

Anyway, it looks to me now that the compounds emanating from the deep sea oil vents may well be the 'food' for the very lowest levels of life, that have allowed for the emergence of all higher lifeforms on the planet. We just shouldn't mess with the deep, young oil that nature hasn't finished processing.

[WCSally]

Those vent dwelling bio-forms have some pretty spiffy adaptation ... or their internal flora/fauna do ..

That largest entropy system on the planet --- Bacteria ... and then the phages and the changes begin! (Lateral Transfer of DNA is one of my FAV Books!!)

Ah .. new edition!! http://www.amazon.com/Lateral-DNA-Trans ... 835&sr=1-1

[WCSally]

Someone has brought up (in yet another web place) the ability of this oil pocket to change the tectonics of the Gulf.

That is somewhat spooky!! Where does one look for the hard facts on this stuff -- and the hard facts about Corexit's ability to get airborne and into clouds?

The Crude is heading up the coast ... long time fighting Crude.

One video says the Deepwater Horizon was blown up by Halliburton and 10 guys from Blackwater.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvoEgbNFSZo

When I was young I did not believe in Evil .. now it seems to be not only real .. but much worse than people said.

[lizzie]

Patent pool – power analysis – Deepwater Horizon – cat bonds
http://www.abeldanger.net/2010/06/paten ... .html#more

Hawks CAFE asks you to investigate a possible fraud on Lloyd’s of London by Hillary Clinton, the patent-pool wife of Bill Clinton (a.k.a. Slick Willie) for her apparent use of patent pool devices pertaining to an electronic trading system to simulate the trading of carbon dioxide equivalent emission reductions associated with the blow out of the Transocean drilling rig Deepwater Horizon.

Our KSM agents have evidence that Mrs. Clinton structured a CO2e patent pool to simulate trades in CO2e emission reductions which provided benefits for her husband and Franklin Raines – both former Rhodes Scholars at Oxford University – and Barack Obama, after an April 21 blow out triggered cat bonds for traders such as the BBC Pension Trust in the simulation which killed 11 crew members and sank the Transocean rig.