BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by WCSally » Mon May 24, 2010 8:30 pm

GaryN wrote: Spill worsening according to this site, and the seafloor has collapsed. Oil venting not only from the damaged BOP, but from other sources. It is suspected the casing at an anulus, 300 ft down, has been eroded from the high pressure abrasive action, and oil is finding other routes to the seabed / surface. Will Obama bring in the Nukes?

http://monkeyfister.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... below.html
There are more images and video there now, and a BP explanation of what happened: .. "they dropped the bot"

The well pressure is 170,000 and the estimated gas is 10,000 more than the oil .. the uplift pressure is almost beyond comprehension This from Oil People ...
(beside the rig was not US certified, -- not flying right colors for INSPECTORS)

Here:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/45472

Under: Controls that should have been in place:
... ... ...
The well casing should have to be inserted well before the drill hits the deposit and it should have to be cemented in at least 2 weeks prior to finishing the hole down to the oil or gas. This is to give the cement time to set. The casing should have ridging to make this cement have a tight wedged grip on the miles of rock around it. This is required because the lift pressure on a pipe in this case could easily reach 20 million pounds of lift. This is an insane amount of up pressure. Even at 70,000 psi it would lift about 140 million pounds. (almost 64,000 long tons!)
The deposit is one I have known about since 1988. The deposit is very big. The central pressure in the deposit is 165 to 170 thousand PSI. It contains so much hydrocarbon that you simply cannot imagine it. In published reports, BP estimated a blow out could reach near 200,000 Barrels per day (165,000) They may have estimated a flow rate on a 5 foot pipe. The deposit is well able to surpass this.
--emphasis mine.
The deposit is so large that while I have never heard exact numbers it was described to me to be either the largest or the second largest oil deposit ever found. It is mostly a natural gas deposit. That is another reason not to blast too willy nilly there. The natural gas that could be released is really way beyond the oil in quantity. It is like 10,000 times the oil in the deposit.
This was the quote, "Energy shortage…, Hell! We are afraid of running out of air to burn." The deposit is very large. It covers an area off shore something like 25,000 square miles. Natural Gas and Oil is leaking out of the deposit as far inland as Central Alabama and way over into Florida and even over to Louisiana almost as far as Texas. This is a really massive deposit. Punching holes in the deposit is a really scary event as we are now seeing. … “


WORSE:
Same Pocket of Gas Rich Oil tapped and containment lost in 1997 ... same company doing the drilling!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/envi ... Popular%29

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I_oil_spill



On the settling of the sea floor, and more:
Neither crude nor methane will burn in the absence of oxygen. Nor will it explode underwater (or anywhere else since it doesn't propagate a burn through shock-wave.)
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True but something else which coincides with the blog-talk CAN happen... The sea-bed collapsing... We see this here in Holland... In the northern provinces where my parents live there is a serious problem caused by gas-drilling... the ground is literally lowering... they try to counter this by pumping water in the pocket. Now take into account the pressure 5000 feet under water and you have a hell of a combination. I can picture the sea-bed suddenly collapsing which would in turn create a pretty big increase in pressure on the oil-pocket... like jumping on a bottle of coke (cola)... if this happened down there the oil is gonna burst out violently after which it will stabilize, while possibly increasing the flow
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread574601/pg2

A side article which I meant to go back to .. was a referent to a biblical prophecy .. the destruction of "?? the world's oceans ??" ... Someone also (in that same block of links) stated a belief that there was enough OIL in this one area to completely destroy the Ocean Systems of the Planet! ... That is a huge claim ... but this is a huge deposit, too ... biggest in the world? ... only thing .. it has to go north on the conveyor before it goes down and gets colder and heavier likely not to rise again? ... I hope ... ... Could the conveyor capture the escaping oil ???

A come and rant site/forum/informed guys: .. hmmm ?
http://www.drillingahead.com/profiles/b ... e-bp-spill

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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by WCSally » Mon May 24, 2010 8:33 pm

lizzie wrote:City of London SCRAP merchants used nano-thermite to sabotage BP Deepwater Horizon rig to frame them in order to commit massive insurance fraud. They used nano-thermite on 911 to pulverise the WTC.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 271#p35673

http://www.abeldanger.net/2010/05/olymp ... ne_14.html
Abel Danger Global Operations Director clippered on Number 10 Loan-to-Own in Coalition of Serious Fraud identifies a $64 trillion pool extorted by HSBC-Rothschild agents from shareholders in companies such as BP. The BP directors were framed after Deepwater Horizon rig was sabotaged with nano-thermite to melt steel and destroy evidence of insurance frauds.
Goldman-Sachs shorted them the day before, too! ... [A little foresight can look pretty incriminating on your track record.]
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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by WCSally » Mon May 24, 2010 9:23 pm

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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by lizzie » Mon May 24, 2010 9:50 pm

WCSally said: Cavalier Cowboy attitude, Money soaked apathy toward serious responsibility, and greed + a little need ... = BIG PROBLEM!
The cavalier cowboys are waiting for the clean up contracts to be awarded to them; maximum damage = maximum profits; so why hurry. It’s just like war; you have to destroy first if you want to rebuild.

Larry Silverstein is a case in point. First he collected the massive insurance payouts; and then he was awarded the contract to rebuild. He didn’t even have to pay for demolition.
http://www.infowars.net/articles/march2 ... rstein.htm

Ms Schwarzer said Allianz has paid Mr Silverstein and the Port Authority almost $US550 million ($A704.72 million) and that the developer had more than enough money in the bank to begin construction at the lower Manhattan site
WCSally said: Goldman-Sachs shorted them the day before, too! ... [A little foresight can look pretty incriminating on your track record.]
Ah but they are counting on no one ever having the foresight to check their “track records”; just the “luck of the draw”, don’t you know.

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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by GaryN » Tue May 25, 2010 11:38 am

A side article which I meant to go back to .. was a referent to a biblical prophecy .. the destruction of "?? the world's oceans ??" ... Someone also (in that same block of links) stated a belief that there was enough OIL in this one area to completely destroy the Ocean Systems of the Planet!
Ah, I see what they are up to. The destruction of the Oceans, the sinking of the US south-east. Just pop the caps off a few hundred of these... :o

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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by WCSally » Tue May 25, 2010 2:10 pm

GaryN wrote:
A side article which I meant to go back to .. was a referent to a biblical prophecy .. the destruction of "?? the world's oceans ??" ... Someone also (in that same block of links) stated a belief that there was enough OIL in this one area to completely destroy the Ocean Systems of the Planet!
Ah, I see what they are up to. The destruction of the Oceans, the sinking of the US south-east. Just pop the caps off a few hundred of these... :o

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I think that is if the whole pocket under the Gulf were released into the water (if that is even possible?) .. It is massive, and that volume going out to sea is not a good thought. The methane is a problem, however.

What about the similar occurrence in Mexico (done by the same drilling company) ... a well blow out which took 9 months to control, --- and it was "shallow" .. ???
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/envi ... Popular%29

Even on Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I_oil_spill

And the techs not giving a hoot as they ran the ram into the O-ring as it was being tested just before the whole thing went sky high? (from the 60 minutes transcript)

I don't know about "sinking the US south-east"
...
I did wonder if the big crater in the Yucatan might have hit one of these Big pockets of Oil, and cause the sinking of the land between there and Cuba (why we see all those pyramids on the ocean floor). I had no other explanations for a whole avenue of great buildings on the floor of the sea ... until this presented itself. The pyramids off the US East coast, those were lost to water rising. ... Well .. I have to admit I have no topo for the Cuba drop off zones, anyway. But Chicxulub crashing one of these domes would certainly have helped in outing the dinosaurs.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kring/e ... _hires.jpg

There was a page about all the seismographs going off yesterday about 11 pm, too. But no one felt anything.
The charts for the South near this well were the worst, the needle did not even stay on the page!!
Blasting? ... Or mother nature?
http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/heli2.shtml/

What about the pumping of mud into this well, ruining all the adjacent wells?

What about the Methane (which is much more prevalent than the oil) killing the oxygen breathing life in the gulf?
Good thing it is not a global plankton-farm location!!

I don't think we have good current news anymore ... must be some reason .... ??? :?:
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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by WCSally » Tue May 25, 2010 2:42 pm

Ongoing animation of the spill ... nice ...

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/animati ... um=twitter
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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by lizzie » Tue May 25, 2010 9:28 pm

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread574920/pg1

Something very strange hit almost EVERY seismograph in the US at the same time!!!

Apparently at about 1620-1630 MDT a large seismographic reading hit almost every station in the world!

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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by ElecGeekMom » Wed May 26, 2010 7:41 am

That link to USGS doesn't work. Do you have another one? I'd like to read about all those seismographs going off the chart the other day.

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Post by WCSally » Wed May 26, 2010 2:50 pm

ElecGeekMom wrote:That link to USGS doesn't work. Do you have another one? I'd like to read about all those seismographs going off the chart the other day.
Sorry for not thinking about those posters not belonging to ATS ... I thought the link would be visible for all viewers, registered or not.

The off the chart one was down in the South US (Disney Wilderness Preserve, Florida, USA) / Aleutians / China / Russia / Japan ... others also registered ...
Really odd I thought: Pitcairn Island, South Pacific -- and some other Islands (Wake) .... Interesting ... ? Yep!!

[[The spacing in time, and the "?" resonance signatures of what may have been an ?inside the oil dome blast? are quite enlightening! ....]] -- Thank you for making me look at this a second time (taking a little time to do so).

http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/heli2.shtml
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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by WCSally » Wed May 26, 2010 5:58 pm

WCSally wrote:
ElecGeekMom wrote:That link to USGS doesn't work. Do you have another one? I'd like to read about all those seismographs going off the chart the other day.
The off the chart one was down in the South US (Disney Wilderness Preserve, Florida, USA) / Aleutians / China / Russia / Japan ... others also registered ...
Really odd I thought: Pitcairn Island, South Pacific -- and some other Islands (Wake) .... Interesting ... ? Yep!!

[[The spacing in time, and the "?" resonance signatures of what may have been an ?inside the oil dome blast? are quite enlightening! ....]] -- Thank you for making me look at this a second time (taking a little time to do so).

http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/heli2.shtml
This is odd, quoting myself .. hmmm

The most odd thing is the NO DATA from BRAZIL ... item .. I wonder where to look for that data now?

Watching Top Kill on the CNN Oceaneering portal ... amazing stuff ...

All that methane snaking around the ocean floor, if it goes into the current (which is warmer) will it flash point to the surface as gas?
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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by ElecGeekMom » Thu May 27, 2010 9:09 am

I'm on the ULFELF group on Yahoo Groups. There is a thread that seems to be related to this occurrence. Many of those folks have devices that detect fluctuations in the electrically-related fields of the planet. Check it out.

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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by seasmith » Thu May 27, 2010 5:07 pm

by lizzie » Tue May 25, 2010 11:28 pm
Something very strange hit almost EVERY seismograph in the US at the same time!!!
[Same time as quake in South America?]

One hears a tale
think as you smell,

Bang on Brazil
globe rings like a bell.


Don't think that note was caused by a leak in the Gulf of Mexico, but also haven't heard anybody blame HARP,
yet.
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Re: BP oil spill caused by methane bubble?

Post by lizzie » Thu May 27, 2010 6:29 pm

Seasmith said:

One hears a tale
think as you smell,

Bang on Brazil
globe rings like a bell.
Ding dong bell
Oil in the well
What a foul smell
Who will ever tell
Who rang the bell?

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _15533200/
Great quake in Bolivia rings Earth's bell - June 8, 1994 earthquake's depth has far-reaching impact for seismological research

Like a bell, Earth has its own natural frequencies -- or normal modes -- which start ringing if the globe is hit hard enough. The most persistent of these modes causes the planet to expand and contract every 20 minutes, almost as if it were breathing. Scientists can detect this mode even 3 months after a great quake.
http://www.onelight.com/thei/hollowmoon.html
Another piece of evidence pointing towards the theory that all heavenly bodies are hollow is that, as you would expect with a hollow sphere, both the Earth and our moon are known to "ring like a bell" when hit with a shock wave.

In "Moongate: Suppressed findings of The US Space Program" (1982), Nuclear Engineer and researcher/writer William L. Brian II presents evidence proving that the moon, as any hollow sphere would, "rings" when hit by asteroids or heavy space junk. And that's not all. According to Dr. Brian, "the evidence provided by Apollo seismic experiments also points to the conclusion that the moon is hollow and relatively rigid." (1)
He also reports:

"It is not commonly known that the Earth displays the same bell-like ringing or reverberations as the moon. Since the Earth is 81.56 times more massive than the moon, it takes a much larger explosion or shock wave to generate this effect.
Who needs HAARP when there is nanothermite and ultrasonic lasers; nanothermite could have been placed in strategic areas on the platform and triggered with ultrasound.

http://thefutureofthings.com/news/7440/ ... laser.html
Previous researches have tried to develop sound-emitting devices, but this is the first time a device emits sound waves in the terahertz frequency range. As for the beam itself, it consists of coherent acoustic waves, produced at nanometer wavelengths. The scientific and technological applications vary; one example of the Saser’s potential is the sonogram, a device that can scan for defects in nanometer scale objects like micro-electric circuits.

Another application converts the Saser beam to terahertz electromagnetic waves. These can be used for medical imaging and security screening. In the nanotechnology field, high intensity sound waves can be used to change nanostructures’ electronic properties; therefore, the Saser could be used as a high-speed terahertz clock, which could make the computers of the future a thousand times faster.
http://stevenengineering.com/Tech_Suppo ... LULTRA.PDF

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Post by WCSally » Thu May 27, 2010 9:43 pm

Seasmith:

One hears a tale
think as you smell,

Bang on Brazil
globe rings like a bell.
Not going there, not doing that ... never .. never .. never!!
Not my team, not my belief system, not my path ... isn't going to happen!
=Abdication of the human condition .. abdication of the evolution of all, for the power of a few, and the rest can watch on the telly, or at the vid. Nope, the machine serves to reincarnate in times of mass issues, not for it's own furtherance ... what you describe is life in the belly of Dr. Droid. Underbelly on steel ... no thank you ... Been there, forced to do that, no, no, no!, not ever again, I have Patrick Henry -- ism.

On the other hand ... "This ring of stones" turns the past wheel again .. choose your day ...
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