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There is some kind of relationship between Saturn and Sirius. There are numerous references to Sirius, Set or Seth, Satan, Saturn and the Black Sun. Why is this?
The “black sun” could be a reference to a sun who was once a “brown dwarf”. There are references to Saturn being “banished” or imprisoned in “the “abyss”. Does this mean Saturn moved from its original location to “deep space”? Saturn is also presented as the “dead” or “dreaming king” waiting to return or be “reborn.”
It always seemed to me that the “Saturn Theory” made good sense. It’s assumed that Jupiter was the interloper who was responsible for the destruction of the Saturn system; but there seems no information about the real origin of either Saturn or Jupiter.
Was Saturn, along with the Earth, Mars and Maldek (if it existed) once part of the Sirian star system? Could our current Sun have come from the Sirian system as well?
Could it have been the explosion of Sirius B that disrupted the Saturn system?
LODGE SOTHIS
MAGICAL MANIFESTO
http://www.dragonrouge.net/sothis/english/manifesto.htm
The name 'Sothis' seems to naturally fit the intents and the magical inclinations of the Lodge: Sothis/Sirius B is the dark star of Set, the ancient stellar body mysteriously 'discovered' more than 5000 years ago by the Dogons of Mali, and from which the darkest currents of magic emanate. Sothis is connected to Emme Ya (Sirius C), a bizarre star that constitutes the closest astronomical match to the concept of Black Sun, and from which Atlantean Lore says that many of the entities and intelligences today known in Pantheons sprang from. So, Sothis stands as the stellar, pulsating centre of the Draconian Current and of the energies that move the opposite side of creation - Sothis as 'Astrum Nigrum' (Black Star), soul of Black Isis and cosmic vehicle of Set.
Star Magick
http://www.shadowtarot.net/darkness/star_magick.asp
In Hecate's Fountain, Kenneth Grant speaks of the planet Emme Ya in the Sirius star-system as the origin of the Loa—Voudoo goddesses and gods, the Orisha in Yoruba tradition. The Dogon know Emme Ya—Star of Women—as the planet of the primal goddess, the Orisha Yemoja. Mother of all African goddesses and gods, Her name—Mother of Fish—recalls ancient tales of the amphibious Nommos, powerful beings of god-like stature who brought civilization to earth from the star system of Sirius, and whom the Babylonians knew as the Musari.
Lucifer of the Black Sun
http://hiddenlight777.wordpress.com/200 ... black-sun/
Lucifer is the goddess of the Black Sun which is truly the great dragon Typhon the mother of all creation and of humanity. Typhon’s self begotten son was Sut the ancient Egyptian god which was Sothis or Sirius. Which in later reckonings Sut was then named after the planet Saturn which was called in earlier times in history concerning Christianity Satan, or Lucifer. Lucifer is not just female or male Lucifer is androgynous, meaning that this very ancient creator is both female and male.
Typhon and Sut are known to be joined as one in an androgynous existence, so the Egyptian myths of these two gods as separate beings are basically not correct. Adam and Eve of the Garden of Eden is just another myth not of the microcosm of godhood as seen by Typhon and Sut being self begotten but as the microcosm in the creation theory of humanity
The Black Sun is indeed hidden and not recognized by the masses as the true sun god but the people are led to believe in the sun that is represented as yellow the visible color we see in the sky. Yet the mystery deepens since this is the microcosm of our existence, the true black sun or the true Lucifer is hidden deep in more symbolism in the macrocosm.
There are three forms of Suns known in esoteric literature; the third is largely hidden in many books in the past and present. There is a term called the Sun behind the Sun, which may be termed as the Sun behind our local Sun called Sirius. There are three Sirius planets A, B, and C which also cosmically allude to the existence of three Suns. The third Sun is called the galactic Sun which is a black hole in the depths of our solar system.
The Black Sun
http://vinlandfolkresistance.blogspot.c ... mcvan.html
The Black Sun is the star Sirius which was long thought to be the brightest and most powerful of stars. Sirius is actually two stars, the gigantic Sirius A, and the much smaller Sirius B. As the moon reflects the sun so does the sun reflect Sirius. Since far distant times Sirius was believed to be the very cradle of all life throughout the extended universe.
Saturn
http://old-mage.com/Meanings/S/saturn.htm
Babylonian astrologers considered Saturn the same as their Black Sun (the solar god entombed) and addressed him as "Lord Saturn the cold, the dry, the dark, the harmful ... crafty sire that knows all wiles, who is deceitful, sage, understanding, who causes prosperity or ruin."
Because of its dark color, and because Phoebe's orbit is irregular (elliptical, outside the plane of Saturn's equator and retrograde), scientists think the moon is probably a captured object, possibly a comet, asteroid or Kuiper Belt Object (KBO).
The Astrological Black Sun
http://www.horusset.com/RIKB/bsastro.htm
The association between Saturn and the Black Sun as an alchemical and occult symbol is traditional. In alchemy, the Black Sun represents the nigredo stage of the alchemical operation, the stage of calcination or blackening of the first matter by burning. The color black has been associated with Saturn since ancient times, and is not merely a feature found in contemporary Western Occultism. Finally, another of the epithets of Saturn in ancient astrology is "Great Lord Dark Sun" and "Son of the Sun." In these symbols, the Black Sun is conflated with Saturn himself.
Primordial Light
http://www.tresman.co.uk/harold/35light.htm
At one point in the narrative Dr Velikovsky hints that Jupiter must have previously wreaked havoc in our Solar System and that much of the confusion between Jupiter and Venus in the myths could be attributed to just this cause. It is his opinion that Venus was born from Jupiter; thus Jupiter would have been in collision with another of the major planets to cause the disturbances in the Solar System.
"The large number of asteroids between the orbits of the planets Mars and Jupiter suggests that at some unknown time another planet revolved there; now only these meteorites follow approximately the path along which the destroyed planet circled the sun. Possibly a comet ran into it and shattered it."
Sieff sees Jupiter as an invader of our System (then a double star system); moreover, he sees Jupiter as having caused the disintegration of Saturn, the one-time companion to the sun.
Further examples of Saturn as a primary for satellites may be found in Robert Temple's equation of Osiris (as the Saturn-god) with the Sirius system - a well-known binary star system.
The Star of the Sun
http://www.varchive.org/itb/sunstar.htm
Saturn is not a conspicuous planet in the sky. Were it not for its sluggish movement, an unaided eye would hardly distinguish it from the surrounding stars. In many ancient sources Saturn is called “sun.” The usual name for Saturn in Chaldean astronomy was Alap-Shamas, meaning “Star of the Sun.” Diodorus of Sicily reported that the Chaldeans called Cronos (Saturn) by the name Helios, or the sun, and he explained that this was because Saturn was the most conspicuous of the planets; Hyginus also wrote that Saturn was called “Sol.” In the Babylonian astrological texts the word Shamash (Sun) was used to designate Saturn: “We learn from the notes written by the astrologers that by the word ‘sun’ we must understand the ‘star of the sun,’ i.e., Saturn.” Ninib was the Babylonian name for Saturn: “Ninib in various places is said to shine like the sun.” He was known as UT-GAL-LU, the “great sun of storms.” The Greeks used to call Saturn Phaenon, “the shining one.”
All that we have considered up to now indicates that Saturn once exploded in a nova-like burst of light. The date of this event I would be hard-put to specify, even approximately, but possibly it took place about ten thousand years ago. The solar system and reaches beyond it were illuminated by the exploded star, and in a matter of a week the Earth was enveloped in waters of Saturnian origin.
THOTH - A Catastrophics Newsletter
http://www.kronia.com/thoth/thothv09.txt
The proto-Saturn system could have its origin outside our Solar System. It approaches the ecliptic, and as it encounters the Sun's electrical environment, the proto-Saturn system destabilizes, and it breaks apart.
I'm sure many people have found the Saturn Model compelling (the mythological evidence is overwhelming), but aspects of it difficult to reconcile. The collinear nature of the Earth-Mars-Venus-Saturn system being a case in point; the system appears to be inherently unstable, so how could it possibly have existed in our Solar System. The answers from the conference were that the polar configuration is indeed unstable. It could not have existed for long in the Solar System. Indeed, on entering the Solar System, the previous Saturnian System would have met the Sun's electrical effects (on reaching the heliopause), and this would have been the cause of the formation and dissolution of the polar configuration, as well as the electrical effects seen during its breakup (as comets are similarly affected on approaching the Sun).
How would the Earth have survived outside the Solar System? Saturn would have been a brown dwarf, one of the most common objects in the Universe. There was even suggestion that collinear systems are formed by plasma currents (Birkeland currents) as exemplified by Herbig-Haro objects, some of which "consist of highly linear chains or jets", and the accretion of material in a plasma Z-pinch, where "Most models of young stars and their immediate environments incorporate magnetic fields. Magnetic fields in the collapsing, rotating cloud core are advected with the accretion flow and form an hour glass shaped B field that is pinched inward by the forming disk."
The Late Great Planet Tiamet
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/herco ... bus_26.htm
This solution derives from the continuing research of neo-catastrophists, that is, followers of the late Immanuel Velikovsky, and is known a the ’Saturn Myth’ theory...
The basic requirement for an attenuated perception of gravity involves the Earth being in a very close orbit around a smaller and much cooler stellar body (or binary body) than our present Sun.
One pole would always be pointed directly at this nearby small star or binary system. The intense gravitational attraction would pull the Earth into an egg shape rather than its present spherical shape, so that the planet’s center of gravity would be off center towards the small star. This would generate the torque necessary to counteract the natural gyroscopic force and keep the Earth’s pole pointed in the same direction as it revolved around the star.
"The state of the present solar system indicates that this previous system was eventually captured by a larger star, our present Sun. But the pieces of this old system have not vanished. The influential small star or binary system of the past remains, though its reign of power has ended."
Indeed, if the Earth was once in fifth position, its closest neighbors would have been Jupiter and Saturn.
"The relation of Jupiter to the Sun appears to follow a definite and significant ratio. The system of Jupiter, in number of satellites, their size, distance, speeds of revolution and so on, seems to present to us an exact model of the Solar System." As Collin explains, "Jupiter, like the Sun, is a complete living entity or cosmos."
King James Bible
http://www.knowledge.co.uk/xxx/cat/kjh/
The star Sirius is 8.7 light years from the Sun. Earth's position in the model is second, but Earth's density is greater than Mercury's. What could have caused Earth's density to increase? The mass necessary to increase Earth's density of the models second position to be greater than Mercury's density in the first position would be greater than the mass of Mercury itself.
For those that have the tools that are needed to make mathematical models of the interactions suggested in this paper, it would be prudent to note that the present orbital calculated mass for the system of Sirius of 3.34 solar masses is contrary to uniform principles that common stars would have nearly the same densities. Sirius B is taken to be 0.99 solar masses and is considered a most uncommon star. If Sirius A had the same density as the Sun, then Sirius A at 1.76 diameters of the Sun would be about 5.5 solar masses or twice its orbital calculated mass and density. It is said by the Dogon that the system of Sirius has another companion and that this Sirius C has the same orbital period as Sirius B but a greater orbit [3]. If this is true, then the unusual nature of Sirius B should be taken into account. If Sirius B is the jovian planet of that system, then Sirius C is the saturnian planet of that system with an orbital distance about twice Sirius B. An orbital calculation of the mass for the system of Sirius with Sirius C at twice the distance but the same period as Sirius B gives a calculated orbital mass of about 5.5 solar masses for Sirius A.
SIRIUS THE DOG STAR -THE LOST AND MISSING STAR
http://www.greatdreams.com/dogstar.htm
Champollion (1790-1832) unravelled the secrets of Egyptian writing but so far nobody has demystified Egyptian beliefs. Astrophysics is the key. 11,650 year ago, a supernova exploded close to Earth in the direction of Orion's Belt. It became the god Osiris who donated metals and resembled a scarab beetle (expanding nova). Twenty-eight years later the binary star Sirius B (the god Horus) exploded, sending a plasma tongue looking like a fiery dragon or winged serpent (Seth) speeding towards Earth.
Do you know something else about the Orion Constellation?
http://www.ukqna.com/science/442-science-ukqna.html
The three stars in Orion's Belt do not merely represent an alignment with the three pyramids on the Giza Plateau. All of these represent the Sirian Trichotomy (Osiris, Isis and Horus), being the three stars: Sirius A, B and C (technically or Sun, Sol), which, contrary to conventional science, were formerly unified into the Osirian Trinary Stellar System, our former system composed of these three stars and eleven planets. The Constellation of Orion acts as a 12,000-year time clock to gauge the periodic arrival of the Sirius Binary in a great transversion, the Sirian-Solar Reconvergence, an extinction level event precipitated when the two halves penetrate through each other. This is why Plato said that the Great Pyramid was constructed to determine the arrival of Sirius, the Great Dog Star, the missing half of our Solar System. The two parts split in half due to the celestial dynamics produced by the Nebula Discontinuity Event of our original paternal star, Sirius B (Osiris/Orion), which was at the end of its Red Giant Star phase, a cool burning helium star. This event also created the Local Compression Bubble.
Hence, the Great Pyramid is Sirius B (Osiris/Orion); the mid-pyramid is Sirius A (Isis); and the smaller of the pyramids is Sirius C (Horus, our Sun). This Sirian Trichotomy is actually the “Sacred Triad” in pagan religion throughout the world, being the Great Father Begetter God (Sirius B); the Great Mother Goddess of the Gods (Sirius A); and the Great Child/Hero God (Sirius C, our Sun).
Beyond 2012
http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/6.htm
The Dogon say that the "spaceship" of the visitors - the Nommo - looked "like a new star", and that they will return one day, when "a certain star will reappear", and there will be a "resurrection of the Nommo". The star will be invisible before it "emerges", and is drawn with the rays inside the circle. It will only be "formed when the Nommo's ark descends for it is also the resurrected Nommo's "eye" symbolically." Temple thinks this is Phoebe - Saturn's tenth moon.
The Star of the Tenth Moon
http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/5.htm#beyond201
They came to earth in an ark which was actually described by the Dogon as "appearing in the sky as a new star (the Blue Star Kachina?), and leaving with the Nommos at their departure from Earth". They call it "star of the tenth moon". When it appears, the description is more like a materialisation than the approach of an object. "
The Dogon say that the Nommo will come again. "A certain "star" in the sky will appear once more" - the star of the tenth moon.
The Real Tomb of God: The Grail, The Ark, the Emerald Tablet, and the Forgotten Father of Mankind
http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/realtomb-twyman.htm
Indeed this "Sleeping God" or "Lost King" who will one day awaken/return is an extremely prevalent archetype. It has been applied to the Greek Kronos/Saturn, Satan/Lucifer of the Biblical legends, as well as Jesus Christ of the same, an entire host of Sumerian gods (which became, in Lovecraftian lore, the "Dead but Dreaming God Cthulhu"), and the "Fisher King" of the Grail Story, to name but a few.
Now the alchemical process, both the physical and the figurative, involves a stage called Dissolution, when the elements (or the base emotions and Ego of the aspirant) are dissolved, to be replaced later by purity of spirit, or Gold. This stage is symbolized by a Black Sun! And this black sun stage is equated with none other than Saturn, or Kronos, the Sleeping God buried in a subterranean tomb who is called "The Hidden One."
Thus alluding perhaps to his seclusion inside of the Earth, and that many researchers have equated him with the prototype for Satan, given that he was horned, rebellious, and cast down into the Abyss (the Chronian Sea) to become Lord of the Underworld. Also note that, like Satan, he was also called "The Lord of the Earth," and that Saturn and Satan may be etymologically linked, as many have argued. Furthermore, Saturn is also called the "Lord of the Mountain," and so is Satan.
Thus, the sleeping, half-dead gods who inhabit the subterranean tombs of Saturn, Satan, Hermes, Hercules, and even Christian Rosenkreutz (as an embodiment of Osiris, the solar God-King) could all mythically represent the same fallen kingdom, which, having lost the Grail and its mandate to rule, has occulted itself, gone underground, become invisible, or fallen asleep, until such time as the proper individual shall come along to liberate him/it.
