On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by mague » Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:33 am

Lizzie, do yourself a favor and read some real books :P

Like
http://www.amazon.com/Great-Dune-Trilog ... 449&sr=8-4

House Artreides, the rulers of the water world is falling. House Harkonnen, the sadists are rising. Worms traveling through wormholes and creating the most valuable substance in the whole universe.
Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam wrote: The mystery of life isn't a problem to solve, but a reality to experience.
Paul Atreides wrote: A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it.
Princess Irulan wrote: Muad'Dib learned rapidly because his first training was in how to learn
Fremen saying: wrote: Bless the Maker and all His Water. Bless the coming and going of Him, May His passing cleanse the world. May He keep the world for his people.
Princess Irulan wrote: God created Arrakis to train the faithful
Kynes wrote: Life — all life — is in the service of life

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by Grey Cloud » Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:27 am

Hi Mague,
Lizzie only reads fiction. :D
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by lizzie » Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:13 am

Is the Earth “turning inside out”?

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 285#p36033
Radiation causes the “push/pull” effects of gravity and inertia. Sound creates the “pressure gradient” that changes the field resonance or geometric pattern; the basic geometrical form is the torus. The torus creates the Merkaba. The animated Merkaba creates vortices and transforms into the icosa-dodecahedron.
Currently the Earth is changing from a Icosa-Dodeca crystal into a seed crystal that gives birth to the double penta-dodecahedron crystal.

Could “tectonic movement” be the result of changes in “radiation pressure” between the Sun and the Earth (and other planets)?
Does “radiant pressure” create the “piezo and pyroelectricity? How would that affect ferromagnetic crystals?
Electric Stars, Hydrogen Fusion, Electrostatic Induction, Piezoelectricity and Ferromagnetic Crystals
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 16a#p22882

The correct terminology is called “pyroelectric fusion”
Piezoelectricity and pyroelectricity
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 16a#p22897

As a magnetic material Magnetite is unique among minerals for its great magnetic susceptibility, approximately one-third that of soft iron

Some magnetites are permanent magnets, or lodestones.

Magnetites can be either inorganic magnets or biomagnets.

Magnetite is ferroelectric.

All ferroelectric crystals are simultaneously pyroelectric and piezoelectric as well.

Ferroelectricity is often referred to as the electrical analog of ferromagnetism.

Ferroelectrics are commonly antiferromagnetic, rarely ferromagnetic.

In order to exhibit spontaneous polarization, whether piezoelectric, pyroelectric, or ferroelectric, the electric charge must not be centered within the crystal lattice.
Ferromagnetism and Ferrimagnetism
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 110#p26956

Magnetite appears to be piezoelectric, pyroelectric, ferromagnetic, ferrimagnetic and ferroelectric. Besides being the first magnetic material and the first transition metal oxide with an insulator-metal transition, magnetite is also the first multiferroic material, a special class of materials exhibiting multiple ferroic properties (such as ferroelectricity, ferromagnetism, or ferroelasticity). In these materials, the ferroelectric and ferro/antiferromagnetic phases are coupled in such as way as to produce a cross phenomenon known as the magnetoelectric (ME) effect.

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by lizzie » Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:28 am

Mague said: Lizzie, do yourself a favor and read some real books
What’s to believe or what is “truth” when there are so many "teachers" of the “truth”; and all of them claim to be right? ;)
Gray Cloud said: Lizzie only reads fiction
Gray Cloud accepts only his version of “reality” as the “ultimate truth.” ;) Perhaps one man's "truth" is another man's "fiction."

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by Grey Cloud » Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:29 am

What’s to believe or what is “truth” when there are so many "teachers" of the “truth”; and all of them claim to be right?
All the great teachers agree with each other. None of them claim to be right - they say what they have to say and leave the rest to the student.
Gray Cloud accepts only his version of “reality” as the “ultimate truth.” Perhaps one man's "truth" is another man's "fiction."
Au contraire, I find, e.g. Mague's and Kevin's versions of reality to be perfectly acceptable to me I and learn from both of them. As for 'ultimate reality' I have no grasp of what such a thing may be.
That one man's truth is another man's fiction is without doubt true but there is also without doubt a Truth which is quite independent of man's notions - and I say that from knowledge not belief. Know thyself.

And there is a world of difference between proving someone wrong and proving oneself right.
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by mague » Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:33 pm

lizzie wrote:
Mague said: Lizzie, do yourself a favor and read some real books
What’s to believe or what is “truth” when there are so many "teachers" of the “truth”; and all of them claim to be right? ;)
You saw my smiley ?

I dont try to teach. I really read your posts and sometimes i reply something. Its up to you if you want to consider it. I dont mind and i keep reading your posts. I do think there may be a perspective i havent found yet.
lizzie wrote:
Gray Cloud said: Lizzie only reads fiction
Gray Cloud accepts only his version of “reality” as the “ultimate truth.” ;) Perhaps one man's "truth" is another man's "fiction."
Dont take him serious. He was joking, because Dune is labled as science fiction novel.

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by mague » Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:35 pm

lizzie wrote:Is the Earth “turning inside out”?

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 285#p36033
Radiation causes the “push/pull” effects of gravity and inertia. Sound creates the “pressure gradient” that changes the field resonance or geometric pattern; the basic geometrical form is the torus. The torus creates the Merkaba. The animated Merkaba creates vortices and transforms into the icosa-dodecahedron.
Currently the Earth is changing from a Icosa-Dodeca crystal into a seed crystal that gives birth to the double penta-dodecahedron crystal.

Could “tectonic movement” be the result of changes in “radiation pressure” between the Sun and the Earth (and other planets)?
Have you ever thought of earth as an organic planet. Although there are metals and minerals the whole "theme" of the planet is organic through and through. In that regard i could imagine the tectonic movement as sort of regeneration. Much like tissue is regenerating. Then the tectonic plates would be nothing else but living or dying cells.

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by lizzie » Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:02 pm

Gods Longitude
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... f7c#p38304

http://www.enterprisemission.com/millenn.htm
"12th planet" guru and Sumerian scholar Zechariah Sitchin has in the past tried to tie the seven-pointed star symbolism to the Earth, as opposed the more obvious conclusion that it meant to represent a star in the sky. One star, Sirius, shines brighter than any other and is also among the most prominent in the ancient astronomical religions of the Egyptians and the Dogon tribe of Africa, among others. The seven-pointed star is also well represented in both Sumerian and Babylonian cylinder seals, cuneiform texts and glyphs.

"The starting point of creation is the star which revolves round Sirius and is actually named the "Digitaria star"; it is regarded by the Dogon as the smallest and heaviest of all the stars; it contains the germs of all things. Its movement on its own axis and around Sirius upholds all creation in space. We shall see that its orbit determines the calendar."

Undeterred, these critics then pointed to a further Dogon belief that there was a third smaller "Red Dwarf" star in the Sirius system and claimed that the absence of such a star was "proof" that the Dogon were just making a lucky guess. Temple predicted the existence of such a star in 1976, shortly after the original publication of the book. Astronomy and Astrophysics Vol.299, 1995 pp621-8) states that a small red dwarf star, Sirius C, seems to exist in the system of the star Sirius.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/millenn2.htm
Researcher Carl Munck has found that beyond having overwhelming importance to the people of Egypt, the "Giza meridian" was the true meridian marker of ancient cultures the world over. Munck has shown that nearly every significant megalithic or ancient sacred site was set up on a grid designed around the Giza meridian -- as opposed to the Greenwich meridian we use in modern times. Recently, this work has been extended by researcher Mary Weaver, who has proposed that the terrestrial grid was set up in order to mirror the celestial prime meridian running through Alnitak, the "Great Pyramid" star in Orion's belt.

The alignment of Sirius on the Giza meridian at precisely the turn of the "new Millennium" is a feat of astronomical engineering that is as inexplicable as it is awesome to behold. In fact, our entire system of time, the "Gregorian" Calendar we use today, was apparently specifically designed -- literally thousands of years ago -- so as to arrange the precise astronomical conditions around which this one unique celestial event could majestically unfold.
To truly understand the implications of what has happened, it is first necessary to appreciate just how improbable it is that Sirius would be on the meridian -- the "precessional marker" -- at the ultimate precessional observatory, the Giza plateau, precisely at Midnight, January 1, 2000 -- the precise dawn of the new Millennium.

In this particular epoch, 2000 AD, Sirius crosses the meridian at midnight at Giza on only one date throughout the year, January 1. It doesn't work on the second of January, or the 31st of December. Only on the 1st of January is Sirius so close to the "midnight meridian."
http://www.enterprisemission.com/millenn3.htm
Our modern calendar, the "Gregorian Calendar," came into being in 1582 after Pope Gregory 13th issued a Papal Bull (order) to reform the calendar. The previous calendar, the "Julian," created by Julius Caesar of Rome (the Julian calendar had been adopted by the Christian Church at the council of Nicaea in AD 325, the first of the general councils of the Church), had become increasingly inaccurate and by 1582 many key religious celebrations, like Easter, had drifted far from the dates they were originally celebrated.

The reason for this is astronomical. Calendars are measurements of time, which ultimately is measured by the movements of the Earth, Moon and stars. In the Julian calendar, the average year (one Earth orbit around the sun) was measured as 365.25 days. In reality, the length of the year is significantly different. Although astronomers disagree as to the correct length of the year [either 365.2422 days ("mean solar days" of the "mean tropical year") or 365.2424 days of the "vernal equinox year"], the difference of the length of the Julian calendar year from the length of the real solar year is thus 0.0078 days (11.23 minutes) in the former case and 0.0076 days (10.94 minutes) in the latter case.

This error accumulates, so that after about 131 years the calendar is out of sync with the equinoxes and solstices by one whole day. Thus as the centuries passed, the Julian Calendar became increasingly inaccurate with respect to the astronomical Seasons. Since the sliding calendar date of Easter is determined in reference to the fixed Spring (Vernal) Equinox (a day in which the amount of daylight and darkness is very close to being equal), measured relative to the moving phases of the Moon, it was critical for the Church to have an error-free, fixed calendar reference point (the Spring Equinox).
http://www.enterprisemission.com/millenn4.htm
In discussing the decision by the Church to ignore Na'amat Allah's 33-year (with repeating "8-leap-year") cycle, Cassidy and Steele have pointed to the ability of that system alone to determine an exact "true Equinox" longitude on Earth. Under Allah's system, the Equinox, while neatly confined to a 24-hour period, would necessarily straddle two consecutive calendar dates. Assuming, however, the ultimately correct 11-day calendar change, under Allah's system the Equinox would always fall between midnight and midnight, but only within a narrow band of specific longitude. Along this strip of longitude the Equinox would always have occurred on March 21st. Therefore, this specific band of longitude would be the only one on Earth within which the Nicene edict could stay for literally thousands of years astronomically correct. This would probably have come to be seen as "God's Chosen Meridian," by all Churches that recognized the Nicene council.

That longitude is 77° West.

Observers will note that this is the longitude, to a high degree of precision, of the capitol city of the United States, Washington D.C. Cassidy and Steele are also convinced that the English came to America not for any of the conventionally accepted reasons, but to claim a piece of " God's longitude."

At the time of Gregory, this strip of longitude in the New World was the exclusive province of the Spanish.
The relevance to the entire issue of deliberate "calendar manipulation" is best understood when we look at Dee's involvement in the English response to the Gregorian Reform.

In it, Dee called for an 11-day correction, as opposed to the Gregorian 10-day correction for 1582. But a note attached to the work allowed for a 10-day correction in 1583. This, however, was not done, and England stayed on its own calendar until 1752, when they finally acceded to the Gregorian Reform that most of the rest of the world had long been using but with an 11-day correction (instead of the "Gregorian" 10). In doing so, they actually set (by their own clock) the date of the Vernal Equinox on March 21st but only on "God's Longitude."

What is happening here is that Dee is embedding a code -- a deliberate and obvious error in his calculations -- which just happens to come out to a "decimal harmonic" of "33!" He was trying to signal to anyone "in the game" the significance of the cycle of "33."

Shortly after Dee had returned to England in 1589, a young law student named Johann Bayer (1572-1625) made a contribution to astronomy that almost certainly sprang from this "secret knowledge" that Dee had apparently been spreading "on the Continent."

What Bayer did was to literally "carve out" a new constellation from the stars of Canis Major. Canis Major of course contains the key celestial player in the Millennium madness -- Sirius. Bayer's new constellation is also located precisely on the meridian with Orion, a relationship which we took to be a "marker" of some kind for future events. He named this new constellation "Columba," apparently after "the dove that is sent out from Noah's Ark to search for dry land after the deluge." What we next needed to do was figure out the history and mythology of this new constellation, and any connection to the New Atlantis Dee and Bacon had been seeking.

"Columba was made up from the southwestern outliers of Canis Major, near to the Ship [Argo] -- Noah's Ark -- and so it was regarded as the attendant Dove."

So, why did the authors of Genesis depict a dove in this key role? So, "doves" equal a priestly code for "earth measurement." And "doves" in the Noah story indicate a need to determine exact lat/long again, after a major, watery catastrophe.

Robert Temple, author of the aforementioned "Sirius Mystery", has exhaustively explained the deeper connection between the Argo (the Ark) and Sirius. Most interesting is his discussion of the deep (hidden?) relationship between the true nature of the companion to Sirius, Sirius B -- the amazing white dwarf -- and a little known visible star in the same constellation of Canis Major, called by the Arabs, "Al Wazn" -- "Weight".

Temple goes on to equate this nomenclature, applied to a visible member of Canis Major, with the ancient, degenerate, "hidden knowledge" regarding the actual existence of Sirius B -- the super-dense (but invisible to the naked eye) white dwarf that orbits in the Sirius system. What Temple did not know was that when Bayer "stole" some of Canis Major's stars to compose the new constellation, "Columba," in 1603 -- one key star of the new constellation was this same "Al Wazn" ... "Weight!" It is the same star that Temple, just under 400 years later, identifies with a "secret" knowledge of the Sirian system itself.

So, there is an undeniable connection (through this star) between the "Sirian Complex" of the Dogon myth and mythos of Canis Major and the "new" constellation of Columba, "the Dove."

The other strong connection to Temple's Sirius Mythos comes with Columba's association with "Argo" -- the Southern Constellation representing "Noah's Ark"and its classic use as an escape from a great planetary flood/disaster.

"The Egyptian story said that it was the ark that bore Isis and Osiris over the Deluge." If you refer to the major MIT science historian, the late Livo Stechini you find that Stechini makes an excellent case that the "doves" of the Noah story are actually a classic Egyptian reference to "a standard Egyptian glyph for the stretching of meridians and parallels."

It's clear that the "secret" creation of a visible new constellation called "the Dove" (Columba) in 1603, out of some Canis Major stars, linked with Argo and the entire Sirian Complex, was not accidental. It was, instead, secretly emblematic at that precise time of the transposition of the terrestrial Egyptian "meridians and parallels" into the sky!

Now, why do you suppose just after the Big Calendar Change at the end of the 16th Century someone would have wanted a visible (Egyptian) marker in the sky to denote "celestial meridians and parallels? Would it be to visibly mark in the sky (to those "in the know") the orientation of the critical "plane of the Earth's axis" at the end of the Twentieth Century when Sirius would cross the Meridian at Midnight in "2000?

As Knight and Lomas have shown in "Uriel's Machine" there was a Sixth Century monk who took the Church from Ireland to Scotland. He also was heavily involved with the importation of a "sacred stone" imported from the holy land used in all subsequent Scottish (and later English) Coronations. His name was Columba!

Why was he named "Columba?" And why did the Founding Fathers (mostly Masons from "Columba's" new home in Scotland centuries later call the New Republic they created in the New World "Columbia?" Actually Columbus was only rediscovering the "lost Atlantis" that most learned men of the day already knew was out there.

In light of these abundant symbols, however, we also think it highly likely at this point that Columbus himself was something of a carefully-crafted "fabrication." The literary choice of a "Columbus" (Columba) as leader of this later 15th Century expedition to the New World would have been supremely appropriate as another secret "code" carefully meant to memorialize to "the chosen few" this ancient geodetic knowledge of the New World and its crucial coming role in "the next Flood."

America: the ultimate "Columba" marker to the celestial ticking clock that only can be understood from this unique New World when time runs out again.

The sudden astronomical appearance of the "dove" of Columba in sky charts, circa 1603 indicates the need to determine the exact lat/long of "God's Longitude" in the New World, to accurately predict the next catastrophe ergo the "hidden multi-leveled symbology" of "the Dove." And that is exactly how Columba can be used today as the "clock" just south of Orion, to indicate (together with Sirius) exactly how much time we have left and measured from where (the United States) until "Noah" happens again.

And even more, this "rogue society" must have understood the danger to their plans if the truth ever came out about the significance of the 33-year cycle calendar. Because, of course, the 33-year calendar is based not on "the life of Christ" at all; it is based, instead, on a major secret held close by the Masonic order itself, and on the curious geometry of some very old things in another old "Atlantis" ... literally on another world ... at a place called Cydonia.

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by lizzie » Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:10 pm

Mague said: Dont take him serious. He was joking, because Dune is labled as science fiction novel.
True, Dune may be labeled as “science fiction” but many people think of it is as having a “higher truth” not found in most “science fiction. ;)
Mague said: Have you ever thought of earth as an organic planet. Although there are metals and minerals the whole "theme" of the planet is organic through and through. In that regard i could imagine the tectonic movement as sort of regeneration. Much like tissue is regenerating. Then the tectonic plates would be nothing else but living or dying cells.
Yes, I have; and that is what I think the Earth is doing; it would be similar to turning over the soil; it is “rebirthing” itself.

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by mague » Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:19 pm

lizzie wrote:
Mague said: Dont take him serious. He was joking, because Dune is labled as science fiction novel.
True, Dune may be labeled as “science fiction” but many people think of it is as having a “higher truth” not found in most “science fiction. ;)
A least it is able to inspire...
lizzie wrote:
Mague said: Have you ever thought of earth as an organic planet. Although there are metals and minerals the whole "theme" of the planet is organic through and through. In that regard i could imagine the tectonic movement as sort of regeneration. Much like tissue is regenerating. Then the tectonic plates would be nothing else but living or dying cells.
Yes, I have; and that is what I think the Earth is doing; it would be similar to turning over the soil; it is “rebirthing” itself.
Maybe then geometric forms are not the last truth.

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by lizzie » Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:50 am

Mague said: A least it is able to inspire...
Different strokes for different folks? ;)
Mague said: Maybe then geometric forms are not the last truth.
I have no doubt that geometric forms are not the “last truth.” I make no claims to have discovered the “last truth” since it most likely may not be the same as your “last truth” or every other person's "last truth". ;)

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by kevin » Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:44 am

Talking of geometry,
Grand cross on the 7th
Kevin

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by lizzie » Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:04 am

Kevin said: Talking of geometry, Grand cross on the 7th
Just yesterday I was asking myself, “Where is Kevin”? Is he checking out the “geometry” and the “energy flows” ;)

On Columba, Phoenix, Phaeton, and Phoebus Apollo

It seems that all of the above “stars myths” are interrelated.

Where do Phoebe and Helios fit into the picture?

What is the common thread that seems to tie all these “stars” together? Is it a star called “wazn” or “weight”?

There are three stars associated with the name “wazn” or weight

Delta (δ) Canis Major, Wezen, (Sirius)
lambda Argo Navis (Alsuhail) (Vela)
alpha Centaurus (Rigil Kent) (Centaurus)

However, there were two stars “usurped” from Canis Major (Sirius) when Bayer created the constellation called Columba:
The part thus usurped was called Muliphein from al-muhlifein. These two stars are now alpha and beta Columbae (Phaet and Wazn). Muliphein is recognized as comprehending the two stars called Had'ar, ground, and al-wezn, weight.
Is the star Phaet related to Phaeton?

Phaet and Wazn are considered to be a “ground” and a “weight” which is the same association Phillip Coppens made between Sirius (the arrow) and Canopus (the plumb line)
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 882#p35124

Its colleague in those tasks was Canopus, which we have already identified with the plumb line, if only in its concept of ‘heavy’. One of the reasons why Sirius and Canopus are deemed to measure the Abyss is because Canopus is situated virtually directly South from Sirius. Visually, a line connecting Sirius and Canopus would thus be considered a ‘plumb line’, with Canopus the weight at the bottom of it.
Columba, the Dove (Phact and Wezn) guides Argonauts and the Ark (Argo Navis) (Isis and Osiris) safely between the clashing rocks, the Symplegades (vortex?) to the land of the Golden Fleece (Paradise)
http://messagenetcommresearch.com/myths ... cks_1.html

The twin rocks were located near the entrance to the Euxine and would clash together whenever any living thing tried to pass between them; when the Argonauts were on their way to Kolkhis (Colchis) to retrieve the Golden Fleece, they were forced to negotiate the formidable Clashing Rocks, which were also called the Kyanean (Cyanean), i.e. Dark-Rocks and Wandering Rocks.

The blind prophet, Phineus, told the Argonauts to send a dove through the rocks before they attempted to sail their ship through; if the dove survived, it would be safe for their ship, the Argo, to proceed; the dove made it through the Clashing Rocks with only the loss of its tail feathers and the Argo sailed boldly into the passage; Athene held back one of the rocks with one hand and pushed the Argo through with the other; after the Argo survived the Clashing Rocks they became stationary islands and never menaced sailors again.
Was Helios the “Old Sun” Saturn?

Phaeton the planet that exploded
http://thiaoouba.com/phaeton.html
The name and status given to Phaeton confirms beyond doubt that Phaeton was one of the brightest and the most prominent objects in the sky at night. As a "Son of Sun" Phaeton was as prominent during the night as Sun was during the day. There is no possibility that Phaeton was an asteroid, meteorite or some cometary debris. Phaeton was definitely a planet.
Phaeton
http://www.blavatsky.net/science/atlant ... haeton.htm
The book Cataclysm, that I have referred to frequently, identifies the Greek mythical character of Phaeton with the cosmic intruder. So this letter will examine Phaeton.

HPB mentions Phaeton twice in the SD. It appears clear in the following that she is associating Phaeton with a tilt in the axis.

"Thus, on the blind faith of his “ignorant” religion, which taught that Phaeton, in his desire to learn the hidden truth, made the Sun deviate from its usual course—Xenophantes asserts somewhere that, “the Sun turned toward another country”; which is a parallel, however slightly more scientific, if as bold, of Joshua stopping the course of the Sun altogether. Yet it may explain the teaching of the Northern mythology (in Jeruskoven) that, before the actual order of things, the Sun arose in the South, and its placing the Frigid Zone in the East, whereas now it is in the North." (SDii535)

In this second quote she also seems to associate Phaeton with an axis shift.

"In the myth of Phaeton it is said that at his death his sisters dropped hot tears which fell into Eridan and were changed into amber! Now amber is found only in the northern seas, in the Baltic. Phaeton, meeting with his death while carrying heat to the frozen stars of the boreal regions, awakening at the Pole the Dragon made rigid by cold, and being hurled down into the Eridan, is an allegory referring directly to the changes of climate in those distant times when, from a frigid zone, the polar lands had become a country with a moderate and warm climate. The usurper of the functions of the sun, Phaeton, being hurled into the Eridan by Jupiter’s thunderbolt, is an allusion to the second change that took place in those regions when, once more, the land where “the magnolia blossomed” became the desolate forbidding land of the farthest north and eternal ices" (SDii770 fn)

In passing we should also note the reference to "amber". Phaeton's tears became amber. And amber is only found in the northern seas, in the Baltic. I remember wondering years ago why his tears should be associated with the North. Now it is clear. That is where the cosmic intruder passed by and caused the amber. (Some other time I may find the references that link the amber to the major event of 12,000 years ago.)
Helios
http://www.theoi.com/Titan/Helios.html
HELIOS (or Helius) was the Titan god of the sun. He was also the guardian of oaths and the god of gift of sight. Helios dwelt in a golden palace located in the River Okeanos (Eridanus?) at the eastern ends of the earth. From there he emerged each dawn driving a chariot drawn by four, fiery winged steeds and crowned with the aureole of the sun. When he reached the land of the Hesperides (Evenings) in the West he descended into a golden cup which carried him around the northern streams of Okeanos back to his rising place in the East. Once his son Phaethon attempted to drive the chariot of the sun, but losing control, set the earth on fire. Zeus then struck him down with a thunderbolt.
Is Phoebe a moon of Saturn or a moon of or created by Phoebus Apollo?

Phoebe
http://www.pheebs.net/Phoebe_%28mytholo ... opedia.htm
D.S. Robertson noted, reasoning that in the three great allotments of oracular powers at Delphi, corresponding to the three generations of the gods, "Ouranos, as was fitting, gave the oracle to his wife Gaia and Kronos appropriately allotted it to his sister Themis." In Zeus' turn to make the gift, however, Aeschylus could not report that the oracle was given directly to Apollo, who had not yet been born, Robertson notes, and thus Phoebe was interposed. These supposed male delegations of the powers at Delphi as expressed by Aeschylus are not borne out by the usual modern reconstruction of the sacred site's pre-Olympian history.

Chiron was one of the Centaurs, half-man and half-horse. He was the son of Philyra and Saturn. Phoebus Apollo took his newborn son Aesculapius to his cave for protection. He is represented in the sky by the constellation Centaurus, which contains the nearest star to the sun, Alpha Centauri. Begot by Saturn disguised as a horse. His home is on Mount Pelion. He was Peleus’s grandfather and the future tutor of Achilles.
Phoebus Apollo
http://www.swedenborgstudy.com/books/C. ... ns/26.html
As the god of the sun, Apollo was known as Phoebus, in order to distinguish him from the earlier sun-god, Hellios, the Titan son (Saturn?) of Ouranos and Gaea, whose office of driving the horses and chariot of the sun was inherited by Apollo, just as Neptune inherited the watery kingdom of his uncle, Oceanos. Helios, (whose name is clearly derived from the Semitic El or "ha-El," "the god," just as Apollo is derived from "ha-Baal"), stood for the idea of God as a man in the sun of the spiritual world.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 450#p38416

And there is little doubt, in fact none, that Phaethon came to be understood as Saturn. There is the testimony of Erastosthenes' Catasterisms in dealing with the planets, beginning with Jupiter according to which the planet Saturn was Phaethon who fell from the chariot into Eridanus.
The Phoenix
http://www.mythicjourneys.org/newslette ... foah2.html
I'm trying to write about the phoenix, the bird of the sun, the bird of beautiful song. The firebird is ever self-renewing, but there is only one alive at a time.

In ancient Egypt, the phoenix, Bennu, was sprung from the heart of Osiris, the dying and resurrecting god and called 'the soul of Ra', the god of the sun.

The firebird is gold and red and orange. In the Russian stories, even one feather from the bird can light an enormous room.

When the new phoenix is born from the ashes of the old, it then gathers those ashes, mixes them with myrrh and brings them to the altar of the sun in Heliopolis.

As I began to look at the phoenix, I got interested in the word, which made me think of Leto's children, Phoebus, the Sun and Phoebe, the Moon, Apollo and Artemis. Phoibus is Greek for radiant, bright, pure. So here is the phoenix, the sun, the servant of the sun, with a faithfulness that always goes the full length, through and beyond death to return to us again.

Within the ash of the phoenix nest, an egg appears. A red egg. After the bird is grown enough, she mixes the ash with myrrh, a resin of purification and preservation, and brings it to the altar of the Sun. Even immolation has not completed the purification or the journey of the ash. It must be brought to Phoebus' altar and offered up.
Wezen
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Wezen.html
Delta (δ) Canis Major, Wezen, is a light yellow star in the Greater Dog.
Wezen, from Al Wazn, Weight, "as the star seems to rise with difficulty from the horizon"; but the German astronomer Ideler (1766-1846) justly calls this an astonishing star-name.

It also was one of the Muhlifain particularly described under Columba.

The name Al Muhlifain is used in reference to the following stars: gamma (Muliphein), zeta (Furud), lambda Argo Navis (Alsuhail), delta Canis Major (Wezen), and alpha Centaurus (Toliman), and also to the stars in Columba of which Allen p.167. says
Royer cut away a portion of Canis Major, and constructed Columba Noachi therewith in 1679.

The part thus usurped was called Muliphein from al-muhlifein, the two stars sworn by, because they were often mistaken for Soheil, or Canopus, before which they rise: these two stars are now alpha and beta Columbae (Phact and Wazn). Muliphein is recognized as comprehending the two stars called Had'ar, ground, and al-wezn, weight.
Columba
http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/conste ... lumba.html
Phaet (Alpha Col) (ground)
Wezn (Beta Col) (weight)


Phaet (Phaeton?)
http://www.erectus.it/namedstars/phaet.html
(Alpha Columbae). Down below Orion lies Lepus, the Hare, Orion's prey, and below the Hare is a flying bird, Columba, the Dove. A modern constellation carved in the seventeenth century from the western outlying stars of Argo, Jason's ship, Columba was meant to represent Noah's Dove (Argo as Noah's Ark). Yet the little constellation still has some claims to ancient heritage, vague mention of it made almost 2000 years ago. As well there should have been.

Set into a fairly blank area of sky, the principal part of Columba is a rather prominent triangle, the brightest star of which, Phaet (appropriately the Alpha star), is just over the line into third magnitude (2.64). The star's name comes directly from Arabic, and means "the Ring Dove." Phaet is a fairly hot star of class B, with a surface temperature of 13,600 Kelvin. Its distance of 270 light years (allowing for ultraviolet radiation from its hot surface) tells of a star that radiates just about 1000 times the energy of the Sun. Seven times the solar diameter and 4.5 times the solar mass, phaet is classed as a "subgiant," a star that has just ceased (or is about to cease) the fusion of hydrogen into helium in its core. Evolution will now proceed rapidly as over only the next few million years the star will expand and cool to become a bright orange giant. Phaet is more specifically classed as a "Be" star, the "e" standing for "emission," for light radiated by hydrogen (and other atoms) at specific wavelengths or colors.

Like most class B stars, Phaet is spinning rapidly, at a speed of at least 180 kilometers per second at its equator (90 times that of the Sun), and maybe much higher. The rapid rotation causes the star to flatten at its poles and to spin off a low density envelope about twice its radius, from which the emissions come. Similar stars dot the sky, among them Achernar, Alcyone in the Pleiades, and the very odd star Cih. Ordinary hydrogen-fusing stars like the Sun (even such subgiants as phaet) divide rather neatly at a surface temperature of around 6500 Kelvin, those below it spinning slowly, those above very rapidly. The reason is that cooler stars, in which gases move turbulently up and down, generate magnetic fields that are pulled away by winds. The dragging magnetic fields then act over billions of years to slow the cooler stars down. The Sun must once have been rotating much more rapidly than it does today (and that's a Phaet; sorry, irresistible).
Phaet
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Phact.html
Alpha (α) Columba, Phact, is a star in the body of the Dove.

This star, alpha (α Phact), along with beta (β Wazn) were the "Good messengers" or "Bringers of Good News", which were consecrated to the Appeased Deity. [Allen, under Wazn, p.167-168]

Phaet, Phact, and Phad are all modern names for this, perhaps of uncertain derivation, but said to be from the Hadar (the Arabic hadar for "Earth" or "Ground") already noted under the constellation. The stars of this constellation were cut away from Canis Major in 1679. The part thus usurped was called Muliphein "the two stars sworn by". Muliphein is recognized as comprehending these two stars in Columba; this star alpha called Had'ar, ground, and beta (Wazn) al-wezn, weight.

Although inconspicuous, Lockyer thinks that it was of importance in Egyptian temple worship, and observed from Edfu and Philae as far back as 6400 B.C. And he has found three temples at Medinet Habu, adjacent to each other, yet differently oriented, apparently toward alpha (α Phact), 2525, 1250, and 900 years before our era: all these to the god Amen (Amun). He thinks that as many as twelve different temples were oriented to this star; but the selection of so faint an object for so important a purpose would seem doubtful.
When Zeus struck Phaeton with a thunderbolt, he fell into the river Eridanos.

Eridanus
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Co ... danus.html
The Eridanos was a purely mythical river of the north which was later variously identified with the Istros (Danube) of Hungary and the river Padus or Po of northern Italy [1]. The constellation Eridanus traditionally represents the river into which Phaeton fell when slain by Jupiter for having set the world on fire by misguiding the chariot of his father Phoebus.

According to Isidore the name Eridanus seems to have been an appellation for Phaeton, whose body fell into the Eridanus:

“The Padus (i.e. the Po), a river in Italy flowing from the Alpine heights, arises from three sources. The name of one of these sources is Padus, which, having spread out like a lake, sends the river from its lap. The river Padus is named from this. The Greeks also give it the cognomen Eridanus, from Eridanus the son of the Sun, whom people call Phaeton. After being struck by lightning he fell into this river and died. It is fed by melting snows at the rising of the Dog Star [Sirius, in Canis Major, representing the hot dog days of summer which causes ice and snow to melt on mountains and flow into rivers], and with the addition of thirty other streams it empties into the Adriatic Sea near Ravenna
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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by lizzie » Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:26 am

Surely Tiamat must have been Saturn. What remains today is a shattered world. It was mutilated by none other than Jupiter just like all the myths claim. Ogo is Jupiter and Saturn is "Nommo Semi", the "sacrificed fish god" who was crucified and hung on the Kilena Tree (the Axis Mundi).
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 390#p37688

Were the “moons of Saturn” created as a result of the destruction of the planet Maldek (Tiamat).
Is Phoebe the “Ark of the Nommos” or the "Ark of Sirius"? If Phoebe is the 10th moon; then its star is Saturn. Perhaps it means that Saturn will be reborn as a “new star.” Is Phoebus Apollo the Phoenix, the Firebird, the “new star”? Is Saturn "reborn" with the arrival of the Phoenix?
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 390#p37582

The Dogon call Saturn the "star of limiting the place" and say that when the Nommo left they became the "star of the 10th moon" - Phoebe is the 10th moon of Saturn and although little is known about it, what is known about it is quite odd. It is about 200 Km in diameter and has an orbit that is unlike the other moons of Saturn. It is much further out, goes round the other way and at a much different angle. It is black as soot and appears to be made of rock - but if it was made of rock it would be about 5 times heavier than it actually is. It is also much more spherical than you would expect for an object with almost no gravity. The only picture I can find of Phoebe shows a round object that looks like a pollen grain under a microscope.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 420#p38041

Further, this tends to support Temple's (The Sirius Mystery) hypothesis that Phoebe is a hollow object, possibly a space-ship or ark of the Nommos. Temple reports that it is a Dogon legend that seems to suggest the "Star of the Tenth Moon" is Phoebe, the tenth satellite of Saturn. This space-ship may have been parked in Earth orbit during the Nommos visit to Earth thousands of years ago.

Except for Phoebe, the satellites of Saturn orbit close to it and in nearly posigrade circular orbits. Most (except for Iapetus and Phoebe) are found at orbital inclinations close to Saturn's spin plane. Seven are tiny (a few tens of kilometers in size) and are probably captured asteroids or residue from a "detonated" tiny satellite that produced Saturn's rings. Phoebe is almost four times as distant as Iapetus, Saturn's most remote major satellite, and in an elliptical retrograde orbit. Phoebe's orbital plane is close to the ecliptic (the plane in which Earth and most other planets orbit the Sun), rather than in Saturn’s equatorial spin plane as are most of Saturn's other satellites.

If Phoebe were moved from Earth orbit to an orbit about Saturn, it is reasonable to expect that it would be inserted in a more distant orbit than any of the other major satellites and in an elliptical orbit contained in the ecliptic plane because Earth is likewise located in the ecliptic plane. The reason for its retrograde motion is not clearly understood, but it stands out from the posigrade motion of Saturn's other satellites.
Phoebus is older than Saturn? Could it have been part of the Sirius star system? Sirius C perhaps?

Ten Enigmas Revealed By Cassini & Huygens
http://divinecosmos.com/forums/archive/ ... -6318.html
Phoebus, one of the moons of Saturn, which is considered a newcomer from the outer spaces of the Solar system and is older than Saturn, reflects only 6% of falling light and revolves around the planet in the direction, opposite to other satellites. Probably, Phoebus in the times immemorial was seized by Saturn from Kniper's belt, where the remote planets had been formed.

If this hypothesis is confirmed, scientists will obtain important information about planetary formation on the boundaries of the Solar system. Sensational is the fact that the rings of Saturn apparently consist of soil, very similar to that of Phoebus.

The landscape of distant Titan is similar to that of the Earth, it has traces of erosion, caused by winds and hydrocarbon flows.

The atmosphere of a small satellite Enceladus influences the magnetic field of the giant Saturn.

Rings and moons interact constantly, which changes the appearance of rings. Terrestrial devices watched a satellite with the glorious name Prometheus shamelessly stealing stones from the ring F.

A new radiation belt around Saturn was discovered, which was located between the ring D and an apex of the atmosphere.

A mysterious wall on the satellite Iapetus with the height of 20 km was discovered. May be some time in the past, Iapetus did encounter rings and as a result there appeared a scar at the equator in the form of a mountain range.
The Star of the 10th Moon Phoebe
http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/om1.htm
After reading Illuminatus, but before reading Cosmic Trigger, I stumbled across more revelations about Sirius in Kenneth Grant’s book, Aleister Crowley and the Hidden God, stating that Crowley’s magical order, the A..A.. was named after the Argenteum Astrum, or Silver Star, which is Sirius, and that it is connected with the awakening of the Kundalini — the “fire-snake” coiled at the base of the spine - dormant in most people, but capable of being aroused by special techniques, to make its way up the spinal column, giving enlightenment and super-normal powers.

Murry Hope has studied Egyptian mythology and has come up with a theory to explain why not only the Egypyians but also the Hindus, Greeks, Babylonians, Chinese, Romans, Incas and Mayans used a 360-day year. The Egyptians added only 5 days, so their calendar moved out of synchronisation by one day every four years, taking 1460 years to return to its starting point. (This 1460-year cycle was known as the Sothic cycle, after Sothis, or Sirius, which is the only star in the sky by which the true Earth year can be measured “The Sothic cycle is established on the coincidence every 1460 years of the vague year of 365 days with the Sothic (or Sirian) year of 365 & a quarter days”).

“Although various magical and mystical interpretations have been placed upon these stories by scholars, psychics and romantics, what the myths are basically telling us is that as a result of some drama played out between Earth, the moon and some solar energy external to our star system, the calendar had to be changed, and that it was Thoth, a LUNAR deity, who affected the alteration. In other words, a change in the Earth’s orbit involving the moon, which precipitated a change in the Earth s axis, was responsible for the five extra days we now have in our calendars.”

Zecharia Sitchin spent 30 years researching ancient mythology, especially Babylonian and Sumerian myths, revealed by archaeological excavations, in particular, from the bilingual library at Ninevah. Among these myths, he informs us, are the much older original creation stories, from which the Old Testament creation story was derived, and other stories, such as the Tower of Babel, and Noah’s Ark. 17

Sitchin has found evidence that there is a massive planet, on a huge elliptical orbit around our sun. It takes 3,600 years to complete one revolution round the sun, passing near Earths orbit on its way to, and again on its way back from its perihelion, creating havoc in the geomagnetic equilibrium of the Earth as it passes. The havoc could include pole-reversal, which geologists tell us has happened many times in Earth’s history, according to the magma in oceanic ridges; also axis tilt.

It is interesting that Murry Hope sees Sirius as "the third, and probably most influential player in a celestial drama", which caused the orbit and axis changes to the earth and Moon, and that it is due, in the near future, to cause a speeding-up of time, and an evolutionary quantum leap for life on earth. This is why:

Robert temple spent 8 years investigating the Dogon tribe, from Mali, West Africa; in particular, their detailed knowledge, not only about other planets in our solar system, but information concerning orbit times and the presence of a white dwarf in the Sirius system. They say they were given the information many centuries ago, by extra-terrestrial visitors from Sirius.

Temple has traced their ancestry back to Egypt. These beings are called "Nommo", which is a collective name for them. They came to earth in an ark, while, what Temple presumes to be their "interstellar spaceship hovering above in the sky at a great distance", is actually described by the Dogon as "appearing in the sky as a new star, and leaving with the Nommos at their departure from Earth". They call it "star of the tenth moon".

When it appears, the description is more like a materialisation than the approach of an object. "The star is not easy to see as the ten rays, placed in pairs, are inside the circle because the star has not yet "emerged"; it will be formed when the Nommo's ark descends, for it is also the resurrected Nommo's "eye" symbolically".

Here we have a possible connection with Sitchin's "12th Planet", as he says the asteroid belt was originally a planet (the tenth), with 11 moons, which was destroyed when it collided with one of the moons of "Marduk" (Nibiru) - the 12th planet on the 3,600 year orbit. What's more, that too was loaded with extra-terrestrial visitors.

The Dogon say that the Nommo will come again. "A certain "star" in the sky will appear once more" - the star of the tenth moon. The Dogon also say that "po tolo (Sirius B) and Sirius were once where the Sun now is".

All this is very strange, but it’s getting stranger...

This brings us back to the Tarot, and Atu 17, The Star, which Kenneth Grant tells us, is the "key to the Aeon of Horus", as it represents Sirius, the Star of Isis, the mother of Horus, who is "the son of this God, and the sun or father of our solar system". In Antoine Court de Gebelin's pack, of the late 18th century, Atu 17 is titled "The Dog Star", which is Sirius, and is accompanied by 7 other stars, which probably represent the constellation of Canis Major, The Great Dog, of which Sirius is a part (or possibly Ursa Major).
Transplutonic Isis
http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/om2.htm#transp
So, can we find any connection between the star Sirius and a comet, asteroid or planetoid that might appear in this solar system?

In 1953, Kenneth Grant, (O.H.O. or Outer Head of the Order, of the O.T.O., or Ordo Templi Orientis), founded an esoteric order called “New Isis Lodge”. This was a branch of the O.T.O., which means Order of the Eastern Templars, and claims descent from the Knights Templar — the famous Crusader Order, whose leader, Jaques de Molay was burned at the stake by the Inquisition. Anyway, the Templars supposedly learned esoteric secrets from the Sufis, who may, in turn, have inherited knowledge from Egyptian sources.

The purpose of this Lodge concerned “the influx of cosmic energy from a transplutonic power-zone known to Initiates as Nu-Isis.” This purpose was elsewhere described as, “receiving transmissions from the transplutonic planet, Isis”, and also for “transmitting the Magical Knowledge of Nu-Isis”.

This transplutonic, or “beyond Pluto” planet is also described as “Seat or Focus of the Forces radiating from the A..A..”, or Argenteum Astrum, which was the name of the Inner Order of the famous Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, but, as Grant reveals in his first book, actually refers to Sirius.

He also tells us, “Isis, transplutonic, is not of the solar system but of its outer rim; it is the pylon of another system, vaster than ours”. Also; “ the Star or Soul of Nu-Isis is the Dog Star (Sirius) which radiates its mysterious energies from transaeonic gulfs of inner space.
The Dark Star Theory
http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ds1.htm
I envisage the home-world of the Anunnaki being an Earth-like moon in close orbit around Nibiru, rather like Europa around Jupiter. A close reading of Chapter 2 of “Genesis Revisited” would reveal many descriptions of Nibiru that sound more like a giant planet or brown dwarf than an Earth-like world.

I propose that the symbol of the Phoenix, or Bennu, is this brown dwarf. Here is a quote from R.T. Rundle Clark:-

"The Egyptians had two ideas about the origins of life. The first was that it emerged in God out of the Primeval Waters; the other was that the essence – Heka – was brought hither from a distant magical source. The latter was the ‘Isle of Fire’, the place of everlasting light beyond the limits of the world, where the gods were born and revived and whence they were sent into the world. The Phoenix came from the far-away world of eternal life… to land, at last, in Heliopolis, the symbolic centre of the earth where it will announce the new age…"

In conclusion, my hypothesis is outlined below:

1. The much sought-after Planet X, or "12th Planet", is in fact a sub-brown dwarf.

2. It has a variable periodicity, between 3400 and 3800 years, and last appeared during Christ's lifetime. It has an elliptical orbit with the long-axis pointing out into the Oort cloud, where the brown dwarf currently resides.

3. It has moons around it, at least one of them habitable. In fact, a race of god-like extra-terrestrial humanoids could exist there, and may have played a major part in our own evolution.

4. The location of the brown dwarf lies in the southern hemisphere skies during perihelion, with its orbit inclined at about 30 degrees to the plane of the ecliptic. It is travelling towards us, so its light will be blue-shifted. Its orbit is retrograde.

5. The periodic passage of this brown dwarf through our Solar System has been the cause of much of the anomalous properties of the other planets, as well as wreaking devastating environmental effects on Earth when appropriately aligned.

6. Sitchin's "12th Planet theory" has ignored the last crossing of Nibiru which occurred at the time of Christ.

7. The presence of UFOs in our skies and around Earth, the pervasive governmental cover-up, the lack of clear progress in space exploration over the last 2 decades, all point to the presence of another intelligence in the inner Solar system. This may prove to be connected with the existence of the Sun’s Dark Sister.

8. The brown dwarf opens up new avenues for those trying to understand the mysteries of the ancient Egyptians, including the Phoenix, and Osiris in the Duat myths.

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Re: On “gods”, genes, alchemy, bioluminesence, and longevity

Unread post by lizzie » Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:02 pm

They had to align two new calendar cycles -- that belonging to Sirius A & B and the other belonging to Jupiter/Saturn.

The “exploded planet” was the original Saturn. Perhaps Saturn was originally Sirius C or Phoebus, and Phoebe was its planet/moon. Or Sirius A, C (Phoebus/Saturn), and Sirius D (Sol) as well as Jupiter were all formed as a result of the explosion of Sirius B (the sacrificed Nommo Semi).

The Phoenix or Nibiru could be the remnant star of the original Phoebus or Sirius C and it returns cyclically to the Zep Tepi – where it all began.

Before the destruction of Saturn, the calendar functioned according to divine harmonic mathematics. Afterwards it became necessary to combine the two cycles: the Sirius cycle (Sirius A and B – 49.5 or 50 years) and the Jupiter and Saturn cycle. Sixty years was the first Grand Conjunction between Saturn and Jupiter after the completion of one revolution of Sirius B around Sirius A. Thus a complete cycle would have been 120 days (two Saturn/Jupiter grand conjunctions and one complete cycle of Sirius B around Sirius A - a complete Figure 8).

The Jupiter–Saturn Cycle: 2010–2011
http://mountainastrologer.com/tma/the-j ... al-changes
Every 20 years, Jupiter and Saturn conjoin in the heavens and mark the beginning of a new cultural, political, and economic era. These alignments have historically been described as “Grand Conjunctions” or “Royal Conjunctions.”
The Hidden Calendar - On the Saturn-Jupiter Conjunction, Maldek, the “Lost Chord”, and the missing 54 days
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 390#p37690
What we have to realize here is that at one time, the Solar System functioned in a perfectly Divine and beautiful way, with elegant harmonic mathematics. Among many other things these mathematics allowed the conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn to be exactly 7,200 days in length, thus precisely matching the numbers inherent in the Sunspot Cycle. But, after Maldek’s explosion, the planets were knocked out of place, creating a very acceptable 54 days of extra time between each conjunction. But, even though they were knocked slightly out of place, their effects as the driver of the Solar Cycle could not be disputed; they were the two biggest planets in the Solar System.
The Phoenix Cycle and the Trigon
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 405#p37812
The phoenix life-span of over 1,000 years refers to half an Age (i.e. 1,080 years), or one twenty-fourth of a Great Age. Put in other words, there are two incarnations or appearances of the phoenix in every Age, and twenty-four in a Great Age. The alternative phoenix life-span of 500-600 years refers to one half of this time-period (i.e. 540 years), which is one-quarter of an Age. This gives forty-eight incarnations or appearances in a Great Age.

Is it because Jupiter takes 12 years to move around the Zodiac and that there are 12 constellations instead of some other number? 12 by 30 gives 360, the number of degrees in a circle or a Zodiac of 12 signs of 30 degrees each. On the Equinoxes we have 12 hours each of daylight and night. The day has 24 hours (twice 12) of 60 minutes (twice 30) each. The number 360 is also close to the number of days in a year. The ancients had a calendar of 12 months of exactly 30 days each, the extra five days inserted between calendars being dedicated to the Lord of Misrule because they didn't fit in to the system. This was the festival period of the Saturnalia when the normal order was suspended and the fool was paraded as mock king.
Saturn and Jupiter
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 450#p38416
Of Saturn I intended, already for some two decades, to write in a volume “Saturn and the Flood,” in which, as the title discloses, I would endeavor to identify this planet as the prime cause of the greatest of all catastrophes in human memory—the universal flood, or Deluge. This part of Worlds in Collision was conceived and drafted together with the parts dealing with Venus and Mars, but the elaboration of details was postponed and other labors claimed my attention and I am still before work unfinished. I will, however, disclose in a few sentences what is the subject of that part of reconstruction of world history.
Dr Velikovsky leaves us with no doubt as to where he proposes the collisions took place within our System. "The zodiacal light, or the glow seen in the evening sky after sunset, stretching in the path of the sun and other planets (ecliptic), the mysterious origin of which has for a long time occupied the minds of astronomers, has been explained in recent years as the reflection of the solar light from two rings of dust particles, one following the orbit of Venus, the other an orbit between Mars and Jupiter, places where, according to Worlds in Collision, collisions of planets and a comet took place."
Collin also notes that both Jupiter and Saturn support "complete systems of satellites and may even be faintly self-luminous, though this luminosity is rendered unnoticeable by the infinitely greater brilliance of the Sun."

Collin notes that Jupiter and Saturn "are evidently trying to become suns."

He also notes that, "every 390 days, Jupiter and Saturn return to a mean relation with the Earth, and make equal angles with the Earth and Sun, and their influences become balanced."
The Hidden Stars and Constellations
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 465#p38497
Robert Temple, author of the aforementioned "Sirius Mystery", has exhaustively explained the deeper connection between the Argo (the Ark) and Sirius. Most interesting is his discussion of the deep (hidden?) relationship between the true nature of the companion to Sirius, Sirius B -- the amazing white dwarf -- and a little known visible star in the same constellation of Canis Major, called by the Arabs, "Al Wazn" -- "Weight" -- so-called (according to a leading Arabic astronomy expert) because "the star seems to rise with difficulty from the horizon." The Arabic expert, Ideler, called this "an astonishing star name."

Temple goes on to equate this nomenclature, applied to a visible member of Canis Major, with the ancient, degenerate, "hidden knowledge" regarding the actual existence of Sirius B -- the super-dense (but invisible to the naked eye) white dwarf that orbits in the Sirius system.

What Temple did not know (or did not report, because he considered it irrelevant for his discussion) was that when Bayer "stole" some of Canis Major's stars to compose the new constellation, "Columba," in 1603 -- one key star of the new constellation was this same (Sirius C) "Al Wazn" the "Weight". The same star that Temple, just under 400 years later, identifies with a "secret," degenerated knowledge of the Sirian system itself.

So, there is an undeniable connection (through this star) between the "Sirian Complex" of the Dogon myth and mythos of Canis Major ... and the "new" constellation of Columba, "the Dove."

The other strong connection to Temple's Sirius Mythos comes with Columba's association with "Argo" -- the Southern Constellation representing (loosely) "Noah's Ark" -- and its classic use as an escape from a great planetary flood/disaster.

So it's clear that the "secret" creation of a visible new constellation called "the Dove" (Columba) in 1603, out of some Canis Major stars, linked with Argo and the entire Sirian Complex, was not accidental. It was, instead, secretly emblematic at that precise time of the transposition of the terrestrial Egyptian "meridians and parallels" into the sky!
The centre point at Al Wadjih represents Sirius C, a hidden star of Sirius, (Al Wazan, Weight) thus creating a trinity the ancients called 'Hebola': the name of the power triangle formed in Sirius by these 3 stars. In most ancient Egypt this Sirian trinity was also represented by the Royal Family of Osiris (Father-God: Sirius A), Isis (Mother-Goddess: Sirius B) and Horus (Son-Christ: Sirius C).
The Secret Alignments and the a Hidden Longitude
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 480#p38783
America: the ultimate "Columba" marker to the celestial ticking clock that only can be understood from this unique New World when time runs out again.

The sudden astronomical appearance of the "dove" of Columba in sky charts, circa 1603 indicates the need to determine the exact lat/long of "God's Longitude" in the New World, to accurately predict the next catastrophe ergo the "hidden multi-leveled symbology" of "the Dove." And that is exactly how Columba can be used today as the "clock" just south of Orion, to indicate (together with Sirius) exactly how much time we have left and measured from where (the United States) until "Noah" happens again.

And even more, this "rogue society" must have understood the danger to their plans if the truth ever came out about the significance of the 33-year cycle calendar. Because, of course, the 33-year calendar is based not on "the life of Christ" at all; it is based, instead, on a major secret held close by the Masonic order itself, and on the curious geometry of some very old things in another old "Atlantis" ... literally on another world ... at a place called Cydonia.
I can read this myth either way, depending upon whether I see Jupiter as the “interloper” (the disrputer) or the “rectifier” (the stabilizer) of the system. Likewise, I can see Saturn as the sacrificed planet and the disrupter once its system became unstable. I can also see Sirius B as sacrificed fish who created Sirius A as well as Sirius C, Sol (Sirius D), Jupiter and the other planets.

Dogon and Zulu High Science
http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/spiri ... -days.html
The Po is the Black Hole that is the core of our galaxy. The Po is 'The Egg of the World', the first principle of the seed. Po means seeds in the Dogon language. The Dogon say that Amma placed his word in the Po, thus making it the 'image of the creator' and 'the womb of Amma'.

The Clavicles of Amma refer to the spiral nebula arms that define the shape of the galaxy.

Po Tolo is 'The Star of the Deep Beginning'. This is what the Dogon call the Black dwarf Star that astronomers call Sirius B. Po Tolo is the 1st of all stars; it was born after the Po (galactic core) had finished its task. Po Tolo is seen as a double of the Po, meaning that Black stars such as Sirius B act very similar to Black Holes; it appears as if it has the same effect on space and time as Blacks Holes, only on a much lesser scale of manifestation.

Po Tolo is also made of the smallest and heaviest of things, which the Dogon describe as a metal called Sagala. Because Po Tolo is so massive it shapes and moulds the structure of space and time in our realm.

Sigi Tolo is the youngest star to come out of Amma's womb. This is the star astronomers refer to as Sirius A. Sigi Tolo is 'The Star of the Sacrificed Fish'. The Dogon say that Amma, in an effort to thwart the transgressions of a rebellious being named Ogo sacrificed the Celestial Fish Man Nommo Semi. Sigi Tolo is the star seed of Nommo Semi, which makes Sigi Tolo the celestial testament of the sacrificed fish.

Amma then placed seven 'words' in the po, which began to vibrate strongly within the seed. The spiraling vibrations caused four clavicles to grow forth from the po. With these eight seeds, Amma intended to create eight celestial beings - four male and four female. As sister & brother yet husband & wife, the four twins were going to make each other fertile, complete.

However, one of the male twins - Ogo (Set) grew impatient as he waited for his female twin to gestate. Ogo (Saturn) decided to rebel from Amma. He jumped out of his celestial womb and stole parts of his own placenta. He then began creating and pro-creating with his own placenta in an attempt to re-create his own little world. The Dogon say that our Sun is the stolen placenta, and that planet Earth is the rebel world established by Ogo.

To re-establish order and purify creation of Ogo's transgression, Amma decided to sacrifice one of the completed Nommo twins - Nommo Semi (Sirius B) who was composed of both a male and female

Amma lifted Nommo Semi (Sirius B) out of the celestial waters and tied the androgynous fish to the Kilena tree (Axis Mundi). In one swift cut, Amma sliced the umbilical cord and genitals of Nommo Semi. The sacrificed Nommo's blood & life force emptied from its naval and groin.

The Dogon say that Sirius 'A' - the visible star of Sirius (Sigi Tolo) is the celestial embodiment of the sacrifice.

Amma then took the life force of the sacrificed Nommo and dripped it on the former placenta of the celestial fish (the Sirius system) and the stolen placenta of its brother Ogo (our Sun). Amma's goal was to purify his creation from the transgressions of Ogo.

It required him taking a pure and perfected being (Nommo Semi – Sirius B) and sacrificing it. Amma intended for the spirit of Nommo Semi to heal Ogo's torn placenta and become one with the Impure Earth Ogo created. When Amma sprinkled the sacrificed blood, it did several things:

It caused the resurrection of the sacrificed Nommo. When Nommo Semi's nyama (life force) dripped on its former placenta, it caused it to be reborn. Its re-birth however, multiplied Semi's forms and transformed its nature. Nommo Semi resurrected in three simultaneous forms:

1. Kora Na - The Great Ark of Pure Earth, the force that Amma intended to carry humanity and the seeds (po) of agriculture to the 'Impure Earth'. The Kora-Na is depicted as a step-pyramid with an antennae-looking rod at the apex (the Ark of Sirius – the spaceship)

2. 0 Nommo - 'Nommo of the Pond', the purifying force of fresh water on Earth (fresh water from Saturn)

3. Unum - The once androgynous Nommo Semi now manifested as the eight original ancestors of Humanity - four males and four females. The male and female souls of Nommo Semi now had their own separate forms. They were paired in four couples united in the image of the original eight Nommo (8 planets?)

The sacrificial Nyama prepared the heavens for the Kora-Na to travel from the Sirius System to Planet Earth. It carried as its occupants the Unum of Humanity and the seeds of eight celestial grains. Also, the shape, design, and proportions of the (pyramid) Ark express all of the principles (sacred geometry) and science humanity would need for the reorganization and atonement of Ogo's earth.

The Sirius System became the Ever-Living Placenta of the Resurrected Nommo. Even though the Kora-Na, O Nommo, and the Unum were going to travel to 'The Impure Earth' of Ogo, they were to forever remain connected to a lifeline that connected them straight to Amma's womb.

This ever-living placenta is the Sirius system, and as long as the connection with Sirius was maintained, the Resurrected Nommo would never die. The Sirius system floods the Impure Earth with rejuvenating and nourishing Nyama (life force) every sixty years, at which time the Dogon perform the Sigui ceremony to reaffirm the Earth-Sirius connection.

The sacrificial Nyama created parallel structures in celestial sphere and on Ogo's earth (as above, so below). In heaven, it reorganized space and the cycles of time in our solar system (creation of a new calendar). It also synchronized our system's cycles with the cycles of the Sirius system (the Trigon). The Sirius System and this planetary system thus became twin placentas of a pair of the 8 ancestral Nommo.

On earth, it organized human culture and set the order for human interaction. This is the celestial foundation of the Earthly sciences of astrology, astronomy, and agriculture.

Lastly, the sacrificial Nyama set the stage for the day of total purification and renewal for planet Earth. This day is called “Izubay Minne” or "Earth of the Day of the Fish", which occurs when "the fish is sacrificed" (the termination of the Piscean Age) and "His blood falls to Earth as cords of rain" (when the celestial waters pour down to initiate the Age of Aquarius).

One day during the transition of these ages, Taba Tolo - the reuniting of the two placentas - will occur. Taba Tolo is when the Sun and Sirius come together in a grand conjunction (the return of the Phoenix).

My guess is that this grand conjunction will probably occur on the first helical rising of Sirius after the equinox sunrise occurs with Aquarius as the celestial backdrop. In other words, Taba Tolo will occur on the first helical rising of Sirius in the Aquarian Age. The Dogon depict Taba Tolo as the day a strong purifying stream of Nyama will pour down on the Sun and Earth from Sirius. This stream will wash away the corrupt order of Ogo and immortalize the sons and daughters of the Nommo.

(The dismemberment of Saturn?)

As stated, Ogo's self-willed actions really threw off the universal balance Amma had intended. Beyond creating the principle and act of theft, when Ogo took his own placenta and recreated his own world, it amounted to an act of incest. Amma felt that Ogo must be stopped from creating more chaos, as well as punished for his misdeeds.

Amma ordered one of the other Nommo (Nommo Titeyanye) (Jupiter) to punish Ogo. He smashed Ogo's genitalia, making him infertile. Ogo fled from the heavens down to Earth. Once on Earth, Amma wanted to bind Ogo to this planet so that he could not disrupt the celestial order anymore. He transformed Ogo, who up until this point was in the form of an amphibious Reptilian (Apap), into the Pale Fox (Yurugu). The Pale Fox corresponds to the Set-Anup the rebellious Black Jackal.

(The fall of Phaeton?)

Once on Earth, the Pale Fox (Yurugu) continued his disruptive and chaotic behaviors. He attempted to create an artificial world outside of the divine order of Amma. That was what he was doing when the Ark Kora Na landed upon Earth. When it landed, the force of impact almost killed Yurugu, but he survived by fleeing underground. The impact of the landing threw the moon into the sky, which is part Kora-Na/Part Earth.

Out of the Kora Na emerged the eight ancestors of humanity. They came forth with eight grains. Their mission is to cultivate the land and grow the celestial grains so that everyone could live in abundance. They were also supposed to reproduce and spread throughout the world bringing the spiritual technologies contained within the Kora-Na with them. The eight ancestors and their offspring were charged with conducting important ceremonies such as the Sigui ceremony. The Sigui is performed every 60 year when the planets Jupiter and Saturn are aligned. The Sigui re-establishes the bond of the Fish-people who sacrificed their divine self to their homeland across the waters - Sirius.

The ultimate purpose the Dogon say they have is to maintain this extra-terrestrial connection by establishing sacred sites and celestial granaries throughout the world in an effort to prepare Earth for Izubay Minne 'The Day of the Earth of the Fish'. This is the day that the re-uniting of the Twin-Placentas - Earth & Sirius - will be complete.
Why Sixty Years?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/unive ... ndix03.htm
The Sigui ceremony of the Dogon is celebrated every sixty years. What precedents for such a period of time, given religious importance, are to be found in the ancient world?

The Egyptians had such a period associated with Osiris. We also find the sixty-year period reduplicated by them in a manner familiar from the reduplications of the fifty-year period of Sirius B, and also in the Dogon custom of speaking of 'uniting two Sigui':

'The henti period consisted of two periods, each containing sixty years.'

My own predilection, when considering the period of sixty years, is to think in terms of a synchronization of the orbital periods of the two planets Jupiter and Saturn, for these come together in nearly sixty years. The orbital period of Jupiter is approximately twelve years and that of Saturn approximately thirty years. Five times twelve is sixty and two times thirty is also sixty.

Sixty years is the great period which brings into synchronization the movements of the two great outer planets which can be seen by the eye. I have no doubt that this sixty-year period has been of considerable importance in ancient times, and the sharp-eyed Egyptians would have been well aware of it.

This esoteric cycle conjoining the motions of Saturn and Jupiter would have seemed of immense importance to all ancient astronomers who had a good grasp of their subject. A cycle of sixty years is so long that no single person can live long enough to verify its recurrence a second time. The knowledge of such a cycle required a continuing tradition of observation which implies a priesthood with astronomical inclinations.

To unite two of the cycles is to achieve a henti, which we have just seen the Egyptians describe both as 120 years and as 'eternal'. How can 120 years be 'eternity'? This can be so when eternity is seen to consist of a cyclical construction. In other words, eternity is not a straight line to infinity but is rather an endless series of coils of the same size compressed into a great spring, known as time, and with the impetus of happening.

Later the author adds:

'the number 60 is the base of the famous cycle called the Saros of 3,600 years of the Chaldees or Culdees of Babylon' and he mentions also that it is the decimal part of the 600-year cycle (the Phoenix cycle?) of the Neros period from the ancient Near East. But as for the 'famous Indian cycle of Vrihaspati', he seems upset that Indian brahmans explained it 'by saying that it arose from 5 revolutions of the planet Jupiter".

For it is by means of a particular astrological diagram that one traditionally computes the relative positions of Saturn and Jupiter. These diagrams were prepared by Johannes Kepler, discoverer of our three laws of Planetary Motion

In reference to these very diagrams, Santillana and von Dechend tell us in Hamlet's Mill,

'A "mighty conjunction" thus corresponds to the revolution of one angle or corner of the trigon of Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions - built up in sixty years (more correctly: 59.6 years) - through the whole zodiac . . .'

We thus see that Santillana and von Dechend specifically identify sixty-year cycles of the West Sudan, where the Dogon live, with the Jupiter-Saturn synchronism over sixty years. This was not known to me when I assumed the same thing: the reader will appreciate that such a concurrence of opinion urged me to think this idea correct.

The Dogon associate a 60-year period with the creation of the world by Amma. In the light of this, it is interesting that in the Western astrological tradition, Saturn 'gives the measures of creation' to Jupiter specifically through the interconnection of their orbits in the way which we have been describing. Santillana and von Dechend explain this quite well13 and Johannes Kepler's works De Stella Nova and De Vero Anno are relevant to the subject.

See also Figures 41 and 42 for the diagrams by which Saturn gives the (temporal) measures of creation to Jupiter. There is a Great Conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn every twenty years, as the diagrams show. The Dogon seem to be aware of the 20-year subdivision of the 60-year period too. If the reader turns back to the Griaule and Dieterlen article which follows Chapter One of this book, and studies Figure ii accompanying that article, as well as the text referring to it, he will see that the Sigui 60-year computation is broken down into 20-year segments.

The act of circumcision, to the Dogon, symbolizes the orbit of Sirius B around Sirius A. It may well be, then, that such a tendency to use genital symbolism in connection with heavenly motions explains the 'castration' of Saturn by Jupiter in Greek mythology.

In Le Renard Pale one reads a great deal about genital mutilation, castration, circumcisions, female circumcisions, and so on. These strange conceptions of genital violence associated symbolically to heavenly movements obviously came to the Dogon along with the rest of their ancient traditions, and survive as well in the Mediterranean region indigenously.

The mutilation of Saturn by Jupiter, and the various creations which sprang from the resulting blood and seed, are of the same current of tradition as all the elements of a similar kind to be found among the Dogon, and which are related to these comparative orbitings of Saturn and Jupiter, as well as other heavenly bodies.

The placenta comes back into the picture too. We have seen in the main text of the book that the placenta is the symbol; for the Dogon, of a planetary system, and the system of our sun and its planets is a placenta. It is therefore interesting that the Dogon say that 60 is the count of the cosmic placenta.

For this specifically identifies the 60 years as a count defining our planetary system, define our cosmic placenta, our solar system, for them.

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