Miles Mathis

[webolife]

(referring to the last paragraphs of Solar's previous post)
...which fits nicely with my [and RASmith's] supposition that electricity is a manifestation of the unified field, as are light and gravity. In this supposition, electrons [along with photons] are regarded as vectors of force/pressure.
RASmith's model is strictly 2-dimensional [in the Cartesian sense of dimensions], but I've come to see JL's "spins" as a 3-d representation. (JL's definition of dimensions is different from what I am using here.) Just my tuppenny's worth.

[Grey Cloud]

WARNING PEDANTRY AHEAD.
Hi Webolife,
It's two penneth (contraction of 'two pence worth'). There wasn't a two pence coin. You could have had your tanner's worth or your bob's worth, depending upon how much you wanted to invest in this thread

[webolife]

GC, I knew you'd catch me on this one... (for what it was worth...)

[junglelord]

Nice to see the meeting of the minds.
I am so glad to have a group of people that can walk the path of enlightenment.
Proud to be a Canadian as the Correa's are from Toronto.
Their Autogenous Pulsed Abnormal Glow Plasma tubes exhibit overunity.
Dollard and Tesla are scorned by many but giant heros to a few of us.
Meyl is a modern man trying to keep the knowledge alive.
Miles adds much to the pie, even by exposing the relationship b/t Newton and Coluomb.
Many have wondered about that relationship, Miles seems to have may be opened it up.
I still consider Aethermetry and APM to be very compatable to what Miles has pointed out.
I believe you can view this fractal at many levels and see varifiable structures and forces at each level.
No one level is the entire fractal, rather every level makes the fractal. Holographic and Phase Conjugation are natural systems of this fractal. Dimensional constructs do have varifiable verbal limits and within that we can redefine the fractal and still find relationships that occur based on that starting point. Lets face it the beginning is spin, the end is spin. Somewhere in the middle lies the eye of the storm, quiet and formless.....3-6-9

[StefanR]

Very small and perhaps odd argumentation, it is the principle that is interesting.

The reason why the Pauli Exclusion Principle is true and the physical limits of the principle are still unknown.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100228.html

[Corpuscles]

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Ponder the below link in relation to 'aetheric longitudinal electricity impinging on a surface':

"Light Refraction through a Dielectric (Simulation)"

Light does not "bend" under "gravitational" influence. The "mass-bound particles" formed of 'compound motion' which emit photons is what invokes the impression that photons are "bending" 'neath the influence of "gravity".

Deeply pondered... thank you!

It is a most interesting simulation. It makes sense!

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The key to all ,including the gaps (IMHO) in Miles thinking, is the qualities of the fundamental aether field.

Miles starts at comtemporary post Einstein physics seemingly not understanding the basis of the old ground breaking masters reasons for their utter conviction about an underlying aether field.

But as not to seem overtly critical ...Miles Mathis, is utterly brilliant at demolishing many "sacred cows" of math and contemporary physics...and is a MUST READ! , thinking author! < insert "THUMBS UP" icon>

For EU to be completely cohesive it ,and therefore more thoroughly accepted, it needs a source explaination for the creation of "electricity" and "magnetism" and particularly "electrostatic" phenomena and therefore also "photons"(they are by definition an effect not the source!!!)....

Ans: The tension and stresses of the all pervading aether!

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Another "MAD" thought (experiment):

If we could produce very high frquency , high potential, Tesla scalar electricity and apply it to a Birkeland Terella enclosed in a perfect vacuum.

Also, be able to precisely measure the input energy of the generator, and precisely calculate any diminishment in the Teralla sphere and enclosure matter, thereafter to deduct it from observed and measured results

THEN I propose ....more magic matter (initially plasma ) and energy "appearing from nothing" ,would be created from the absolute vacuum!

[webolife]

Random thought to some of the above points, not sure which ones...
RA Smith sees mass as "condensation" [he would say "centropy"] and as a function of relative "area" [his term: AME = areal mass equivalence] with regard to the centroid of the system.
His 2D approach may be confounding to some here, but this sure sounds a lot like densityXvolume to me.

[Corpuscles]

Random thought to some of the above points, not sure which ones...
RA Smith sees mass as "condensation" [he would say "centropy"] and as a function of relative "area" [his term: AME = areal mass equivalence] with regard to the centroid of the system.
His 2D approach may be confounding to some here, but this sure sounds a lot like densityXvolume to me.

If we presume an extremely dense, "non matter" field composed of an "entity "(aether) which unless under stress (caused by its own collective interaction) which logically cannot possess "weight" (as it is the major contributor to "gravity"... nor possess mass /charge)...in its ground solid -state:

....Then the bubbles (condensation) we call "matter" are the less dense aberrations existing in that field.

Our definition of "density" is in that case therefore... upside down!

Density * Volume ...can only mean anything... when referring to matter with mass... which is meaninglless !!!, unless there is a background point of reference!

M Faraday

"For my own part, considering the relation of a vacuum to the magnetic force, and the general character of magnetic phenomena external to the magnet, I am much more inclined to the notion that in the transmission of the force there is such an action, external to the magnet, than that the effects are merely attraction and repulsion at a distance. Such an action may be a function of the aether; for it is not unlikely that, if there be an aether, it should have other uses than simply the conveyance of radiation."

Clerk Maxwell

"The vast interplanetary and interstellar regions will no longer be regarded as waste places in the universe, which the Creator has not seen fit to fill with the symbols of the manifold order of His kingdom. We shall find them to be already full of this wonderful medium; so full, that no human power can remove it from the smallest portion of Space, or produce the slightest flaw in its infinite continuity. It extends unbroken from star to star; and when a molecule of hydrogen vibrates in the dog-star, the medium receives the impulses of these vibrations, and after carrying them in its immense bosom for several years, delivers them, in due course, regular order, and full tale, into the spectroscope of Mr. Huggins, at Tulse Hill."

JJ Thompson ( not Lord Kelvin... the "electron"postulator)

"The whole mass of any body is just the mass of ether surrounding the body which is carried along by the Faraday tubes associated with the atoms of the body. In fact, all mass is mass of the ether; all momentum, momentum of the ether; and all kinetic energy, kinetic energy of the ether. This view, it should be said, requires the density of the ether to be immensely greater than that of any known substance."

Poynting referring to Robert Cookes argument

"As for matter, that I conceive in its essence to be immutable, and its essence being expatiation determinate, it cannot be altered in its quantity, either by condensation or rarefaction; that is, there cannot be more or less of that power or reality, whatever it be, within the same expatiation or content; but every equal expatiation contains, is filled, or is an equal quantity of materia; and the densest or heaviest, or most powerful body in the world contains no more materia than that which we conceive to be the rarest, thinnest, lightest, or least powerful body of all; as gold for instance, and aether, or the substance that fills the cavity of an exhausted vessel, or cavity of the glass of a barometer above the quicksilver.

Nay, as I shall afterwards prove, this cavity is more full, or a more dense body of aether, in the common sense or acceptation of the word, than gold is of gold, bulk for bulk; and that because the one, viz., the mass of aether, is all aether: but the mass of gold, which we conceive, is not all gold; but there is an intermixture, and that vastly more than is commonly supposed, of aether with it; so that vacuity, as it is commonly thought, or erroneously supposed, is a more dense body than the gold as gold.

But if we consider the whole content of the one with that of the other, within the same or equal quantity of expatiation, then are they both equally containing the materia or body."

I commend the whole article (replication of an Institute presentation by Sir Oliver Lodge & Lord Rayleigh

http://keelynet.com/osborn/rey7.htm

Nicola Tesla

Electricity, therefore, cannot be called ether in the broad sense of the term; but nothing would seem to stand in the way of calling electricity ether associated with matter, or bound ether; or, in other words, that the so-called static charge of the molecule is ether associated in some way with the molecule. Looking at it in that light, we would be justified in saying, that electricity is concerned in all molecular actions.

Now, precisely what the ether surrounding tine molecules is, wherein it differs from ether in general, can only be conjectured. It cannot differ in density, ether being incompressible; it must, therefore, be under some strain or is motion, and the latter is the` most probable: To understand its functions, it would be necessary to have an exact idea of the physical construction of matter, of which, of course, we can only form a mental picture

[junglelord]

Nicola Tesla

Electricity, therefore, cannot be called ether in the broad sense of the term; but nothing would seem to stand in the way of calling electricity ether associated with matter, or bound ether; or, in other words, that the so-called static charge of the molecule is ether associated in some way with the molecule. Looking at it in that light, we would be justified in saying, that electricity is concerned in all molecular actions.

Now, precisely what the ether surrounding tine molecules is, wherein it differs from ether in general, can only be conjectured. It cannot differ in density, ether being incompressible; it must, therefore, be under some strain or is motion, and the latter is the` most probable: To understand its functions, it would be necessary to have an exact idea of the physical construction of matter, of which, of course, we can only form a mental picture

Well that is an exact description of APM....shit, good find!

[StevenO]

Nicola Tesla

Electricity, therefore, cannot be called ether in the broad sense of the term; but nothing would seem to stand in the way of calling electricity ether associated with matter, or bound ether; or, in other words, that the so-called static charge of the molecule is ether associated in some way with the molecule. Looking at it in that light, we would be justified in saying, that electricity is concerned in all molecular actions.

Now, precisely what the ether surrounding tine molecules is, wherein it differs from ether in general, can only be conjectured. It cannot differ in density, ether being incompressible; it must, therefore, be under some strain or is motion, and the latter is the` most probable: To understand its functions, it would be necessary to have an exact idea of the physical construction of matter, of which, of course, we can only form a mental picture

Well that is an exact description of APM....shit, good find!

You suffer from tunnel syndrome...seeing APM in everything.

I would say it is a pre-Miles Mathis description of the charge field

[junglelord]

Not even close Steven.
APM states PLAINLY as does Tesla, that the aether WRAPS the matter....ahhhm...
APM SAYS that aether encapsulates matter....so what are you missing?
I think your afraid of APM, god knows why, because you said it made no sense to you maybe?
God bless my dear friend, just teasing you.

[Corpuscles]

Nicola Tesla

Electricity, therefore, cannot be called ether in the broad sense of the term; but nothing would seem to stand in the way of calling electricity ether associated with matter, or bound ether; ...

....shit, good find!

I am sure you have read them before! However, I inadvertently neglected to provide the source.

Several others may be interested in the full lectures, as there is much more that could be quoted.

All can be sourced from link below. (The quote came from the introduction to the first lecture)

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/contents.htm

-Experiments with Alternate Currents of Very High Frequency and Their Application to Methods of Artificial Illumination, AIEE, Columbia College, N.Y., May 20, 1891

-Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency, IEE Address, London, February 1892

-On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomena, Franklin Institute, Philadelphia, February 1893, and National Electric Light Association, St. Louis, March 1893


I recommend JungleLord and Steven O .. re-read them! It will likely bring you closer together in your separate views!

IMHO , extremely relevant to the "aether" & "photon" issue!


Perhaps pretend or "imagine" like I did again recently, that I was privileged to be present at the lectures and trying to not only; to understand what, the genius Tesla was demonstrating; but also discern (why)the subtle non-dogmatic message (or hints) he was trying to deliver to other peers of the day; with a focus of seeking to understand how and why he could make such amazing discoveries!

[junglelord]

Actually its good to have this in Miles section.
I talked to Miles about all this and he was not taken with Dollard or Meyl.
I do not know how much time he spent, but he did not think much of either of them.
Having had the chance to be tutored by several forum authors, Miles, Thomson, and taking a lot of time on my own, I can see how these things relate, however the orignal authors, do not agree at all with one another or will admit that anything agrees. For instance Thomson did not like Meyls work because he did not quantify ES Charge.

But those of us with less invested, seem to be able to see the forest and the trees.

[StefanR]

Actually its good to have this in Miles section.
I talked to Miles about all this and he was not taken with Dollard or Meyl.
I do not know how much time he spent, but he did not think much of either of them.
Having had the chance to be tutored by several forum authors, Miles, Thomson, and taking a lot of time on my own, I can see how these things relate, however the orignal authors, do not agree at all with one another or will admit that anything agrees. For instance Thomson did not like Meyls work because he did not quantify ES Charge.

But those of us with less invested, seem to be able to see the forest and the trees.

It is Miles right of course to differ in opinion with others, he better differ either it wouldn't be as much fun to puzzle over it.
But there is one thing though, I do would like to see him offer a opinion about Boscovich. Just curious.

Apology to all members in advance for yet another inarticulate rant!

I will try to refrain , so we can all go back to discussing the other brilliant Miles Mathis stuff

But do rant, my friend, that what's needed on subjects like these. You never know, what maybe you consider
nonsense might give someone else an insight or recollection. Happily for all of us, this forum is not about judging the others opinion but trying to get a better understanding about things with each other. And how would we do that without interacting?

StefanR, taking time to digest that.

Time is just relative.

[junglelord]

Every religon evey nation has pondered it, but you have figured it out as did the ancient greeks.
The encapsulated center of the aether vortex is the angular momentum spin inside that we call matter.
That is the view of all of the Aether groups in one way or another.
Miles, Meyl, Thomson, Reich, Boscovich, Tesla, Viktor Schauberger, and many others.
Spin around spin, fractal up and down, wheels and wheels in a spiral array, a pattern so grand and complex, time after we lose sight of the way causes can have their effects. Everything is connected via the scalar spin and the folding of aether as well as the encapsulation of angular momentum. Hence the egg came first and is the initial form of encapsulation. One spin over the other is the egg. Encapsulation....which is an egg in the first place.
Its all quite simple.