The EM Universe

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby allynh » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:59 pm

Remember, the planets being spit out would not be solid. The Sun, internally, is 6000 degrees, nothing solid would exist, but the magnetic fields would keep everything together. The actual event would look like a massive CME, with the blobs of plasma locked together within the magnetic field as a string of beads decreasing in size like the water beads in the video.

The paper you mentioned made me harvest Wiki pages.

Plasma Wakefield acceleration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakefield_accelerator
A plasma consists of fluid of positive and negative charged particles...
(I love when they get the "Fluid" part right.)

The illustration they use in the Wiki page is what I see happening inside the Sun when it spits out the string of planets. When you scale that up to the size of the Sun you have planets rather than an electron beam emerge.
Illustration_Plasma_Wakefield_Acceleration.jpg

The mention of "Whistler" made me harvest various Wiki pages that mention it.

Whistler (radio)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistler_(radio)

Electromagnetic electron wave
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromag ... ctron_wave

X-rays from lightning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-rays_from_lightning

Ashen light
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashen_light

Van Allen radiation belt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

Ionosphere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionosphere

When I think of "Whistler" or "whistles" I think of the Cavity Magnetron and how they take low frequency and turn it into high frequency, the same way a toy whistle works.

Cavity magnetron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_magnetron
Resonant_Cavity_Magnetron_Diagram.jpg

Klystron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klystron
Klystron.jpg

Plasma oscillation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_oscillation

Whistle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistle
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It's all Fluid Mechanics, and everything scales up.
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:46 pm

It's all Fluid Mechanics, and everything scales up.


Surely it's not ALL fluid mechanics? You have to recognise the
importance of the antenna,too.

In summary, all radiation is caused by accelerating charges which produce changing electric fields. And due to Maxwell's Equations, changing electric fields give rise to changing magnetic fields, and hence we have electromagnetic radiation.

http://www.antenna-theory.com/basics/wh ... adiate.php
This is a good site for learning about antennas.
http://www.antenna-theory.com/
And these guys know thier stuff, they are aliens!
About the Author(s)
This page has been written by a small but finite set of aliens with a passion for spreading antenna knowledge. While this passion may seem strange, it is actually quite common outside the milky way. A human or two has contributed to this page (notably Peter Bevelacqua), but they are mainly kept on the team to understand the web-human interface.
Keep watching the stars.
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The cosmos is full of antennas, at all scales.
In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby KeepitRealMark » Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:26 pm

GaryN wrote:
It's all Fluid Mechanics, and everything scales up.


Surely it's not ALL fluid mechanics? You have to recognise the
importance of the antenna,too.

In summary, all radiation is caused by accelerating charges which produce changing electric fields. And due to Maxwell's Equations, changing electric fields give rise to changing magnetic fields, and hence we have electromagnetic radiation.

http://www.antenna-theory.com/basics/wh ... adiate.php
This is a good site for learning about antennas.
http://www.antenna-theory.com/
And these guys know thier stuff, they are aliens!
About the Author(s)
This page has been written by a small but finite set of aliens with a passion for spreading antenna knowledge. While this passion may seem strange, it is actually quite common outside the milky way. A human or two has contributed to this page (notably Peter Bevelacqua), but they are mainly kept on the team to understand the web-human interface.
Keep watching the stars.
McNasty, 0*3^H:2

The cosmos is full of antennas, at all scales.



I like this idea.
It fits into my realm of reality standards.
I will look into it more.
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby allynh » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:30 pm

GaryN wrote:The cosmos is full of antennas, at all scales.

As I've mentioned before, electricity is flowing through everything. If we could see in the different energy frequencies we would see everything alive and glowing with current.
light.jpg

I'll work through the Antenna basics and see if I can find Fluid equivalents. So far I see that Antennas are like fountains.

Fountain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain

They use the Venturi Effect to spray the water out at high velocity.

Venturi effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturi_effect

Franklin was able to move the study of Electricity forward because he phrased what he saw in the common terms of the day used in describing Fluids.

Flow, current, resistance, impedance, condensers, etc... Transistors and vacuum tubes were called "valves". The list goes on. When I was at University studying Civil Engineering we had to take classes in all fields of Engineering. When I took circuit design it was almost the same process as designing pipe networks. The Fluid stuff helped me get through the EE classes.

This will give me a chance to see if I can recover my Math skills. I used to be able to do Matrix Math, simultaneous equations, prove that 1 + 1 = 2 using symbolic logic, etc..., but it's all gone now, gone....
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:46 pm

I'll have to think about the fountains. Oh, wait, I guess you could call this a fountain,
and it is an antenna. The fountain needs to be salty though.
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http://www.antennamagus.com/blog/?p=815
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby allynh » Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:58 pm

Yikes!

You do realize that is a plasma antenna.

The salt water is not a static column. It is an ionized fluid moving through a magnetic field, thus plasma.

That is scary.

The Fluid Mechanics book I used in school was:

Elementary Fluid Mechanics by John K. Vennard - 5th edition - 1975

The ones available on Amazon are:

Elementary Fluid Mechanics [Paperback] ~ $29.40<----Possibly the original Edition. I don't know how useful this one is.

http://www.amazon.com/Elementary-Fluid- ... 290&sr=1-1

Elementary Fluid Mechanics, 7th Edition [Hardcover] ~ $117.67

http://www.amazon.com/Elementary-Fluid- ... _orig_subj

On ABEBooks I see several 5th editions, from 1975, for under ten bucks.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchR ... &x=30&y=11

One used copy is selling from Canada so may be cheaper for you.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDet ... 0%26y%3D11

The 5th edition is all you need; the latest book is not necessarily the best since they are building on the original.

If you understand circuit design, then you can understand the stuff in this book.
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby flyingcloud » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:20 am

but what does it encounter that makes it stop
that's what I see every time I turn on a faucet
it's the image of the sun where the water hits the sink
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:28 pm

You do realize that is a plasma antenna.


It's interesting that you can create plasma with an antenna, and
an antenna with plasma. My mind starts going in circles...

As an aside, I was wondering about the ocean currents, and if their
motions could be the result of the magnetic fields of solar(or maybe
van Allen belt?) RF activity at some, or multiple, frequency or other.
I e-mailed a few scientists, but have not had a reply. Just another mad
idea I guess.

I'll have a look at you fluid dynamics links allynh, that's something I
haven't really studied, but I have been looking at this dissertation which
does mention the use of fluid dynamics in modeling the dipole antenna
near-field plasma coupling to the magnetospheric plasmas. Long and quite
'dry', and math over my head, but I'll glean what I can from it.

NEAR-FIELD CHARACTERISTICS OF ELECTRIC DIPOLE
ANTENNAS IN THE INNER MAGNETOSPHERE

Though the fluid model can provide a very accurate description of plasma behavior
over a wide range of conditions, there are some phenomena for which a fluid de-
scription is inadequate
.


Haven't got to that bit yet.

http://www-star.stanford.edu/~vlf/publi ... eSided.pdf
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby allynh » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:16 pm

Yeah, I wish they would speak english in those science papers. Ha!

The currents, both in sea and in the atmosphere, are directly controlled by and change the magnetic fields. The interaction is completely dynamic.

Thanks for the antenna tutorial link. I've always wanted to understand how they work. I've pulled out my box of College books to see what I can use and what I have to replace.

BTW, fosborn found a free PDF 1940 version of Elementary Fluid Mechanics by Vennard at:
http://www.archive.org/details/elementa ... m032659mbp

Awesome!
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:06 pm

Just happened upon this while searching around. Not familiar with this Hestenes
guy, will look into him some more, but I thought this well worth a read.

Quantum mechanics from self-interaction.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cac ... zoKm0n6m-g
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby allynh » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:55 pm

I did a quick search on the filename and found one you can download.

QMfromSI.pdf

Quantum Mechanics from Self-Interaction
http://geocalc.clas.asu.edu/pdf-preAdobe8/QMfromSI.pdf
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:55 pm

Thanks allynh, I saved a copy.

Here is another doozie from Miles Mathis, this guy may not be totally correct,
but I always enjoy reading him. This should rattle a few (more) cages.

The Hole at the Center of the Sun.
(Well, not a real hole, according to Miles Mathis, though some of us
down here might question that, too. ;-) )
Now, the electrical Sun people will say, "Right, so get rid of fusion altogether!" But I happen to think we have some pretty strong evidence for fusion. Neither the mainstream fusion theorists nor the electrical Sun people can explain all the phenomena we see, so I would like to combine them both.

http://milesmathis.com/sunhole.html
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby nick c » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:06 am

Mathis wrote:Now, the electrical Sun people will say, "Right, so get rid of fusion altogether!" But I happen to think we have some pretty strong evidence for fusion. Neither the mainstream fusion theorists nor the electrical Sun people can explain all the phenomena we see,


This is an incorrect statement. The Electric Sun model does not "get rid of fusion altogether!"
While, it does get rid of fusion at the core of the Sun as a result of gravitational compression, fusion is taking place in the atmosphere of the Sun.
Thornhill wrote:The Sun and all stars consume electrical energy to produce their heat and light and cause some thermonuclear fusion in their atmospheres. The heavy elements formed there are seen in stellar spectra. It explains why the expected solar neutrino count is low and anti-correlated with sunspot numbers. It explains why many stars are considered “chemically peculiar.”

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=ah63dzac


and more on the shortage (by the fusion at the core model) of nuetrinos:

Scott wrote:In the Electric Sun model there is no energy produced in the core - radiant energy is released at the surface by electric arc discharge. So, there is no 'missing neutrino' problem for the electric Sun model. The electron-nuetrinos that are observed are probably produced by fusion taking place at the solar surface that produces heavy elements (other than hydrogen and helium).

http://www.electric-cosmos.org/sudbury.htm


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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby KeepitRealMark » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:23 am

Hi Nick

Excellent post.
Thanks. I’ll go look into your links.
Basically, I feel that if Thornhill or Scott say it…. you can believe it is true.

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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:18 pm

While I enjoy reading all these alternative models, theories, speculations, I have to say that none of them (including Thornhill and Scott :shock: ) fully explain to my satisfaction, the Sun or any of the other energetic nodes, up to the BH level. The energy dissipation levels can not be met, IMO, without considering the spherical scalar EM model, and in the end perhaps, phase conjugation and information theory. A true understanding the electron, and its motions is what is needed, everything else is determined by it.
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http://www.quantummatter.com/_Media/Ein ... estion.pdf
Perhaps the Sun and the other events are just scaled up electrons?
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