Recovered: New Theory of Light

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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"how could a single photon produce an interference pattern"

Interferes with itself as it expands?
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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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If it was two particles it could.
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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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Great conjecture. And with that I propose that particles are "abstract concepts" of wave forms.
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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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The answer is even simpler than junglelord's two particles...
interference isn't happening! The spectral pattern is a display of the pressure gradient of light in relation to the central line/vector [of strongest pressure] regardless of the number of "photons" involved... slit devices splay out the vectors like any camera obscura such that geometrically progressive orders of pressure manifest repeating colors, whether single slits or double... there is no physical* difference between diffraction and interference! There are no waves -- there is nothing to interfere! Raindrops act similarly in that they display the spectrum of the entire light field of the source [sun]. Prisms, and other spectroscopic devices splay out only a tiny fragment of the rays from the light source**, resulting in just a single spectral display, ie no supernumerary spectra as from slit devices and raindrops.

*by physical, I mean phenomenal... the addition of a beam splitter in multiple-slit devices produces repeating shadows due to their insertion into and partitioning of the pressure gradient.

**rays from the light source... this is what "photons" are, not particles, waves, or dualities. The light field, like an electrical or gravitational field, has no need to wave or fly across space. Like voltage in EMF, it is a function of the geometry of the system. Fields cause other particles to move; the field itself is static to the extent that it's geometric configuration does not alter.
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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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SeaSmith wrote:
StephenR wrote: Do you remember what Meyl says about piezo-electricity and the longitudonal wave?
Stephen,
Possibly an example of piezo-electric / crystaline structure,
on a galactic scale:
octahedron-supercluster.jpg
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If we have 2 octahedrons (and presumably more in a 3-D grid) then we also have tetrahedral voids, because octahedrons
don't fill-space (like stacking cubes). It requires alternating Octa-Tetra combination to fill space in this type matrix.
Does a crystal-like EM flux field resonate ?
Thinking back on previous reflections on plasma, plasma crystals and the "ordered" structures in plasma. I can't help but associate to what crystals and prisms do to light.

Could there be any chance that gravitational lensing is actually light "bent" in a plasma crystal?

Is red shift simply an optical phenomena of the plasma structure and possibly a sign of a stars age? That is, certain ages have more/less plasma structure?

Just another mad idea :)
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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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lite-brite I believe you're right,
a piezo-electric effect is light,
like gravity only not so slight...
a simpler truth makes day from night,
chasing away the duality blight.

the universe a crystal makes,
as do atoms, gems and snowflakes,
planetary orbits do not abstain,
from Lagrangian effects in every plane,
the same geometry at every scale,
a unified force field will prevail.
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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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L-brite wrote: Just another mad idea ..
Or maybe just a good "insight' ??

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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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lite-brite wrote:
Thinking back on previous reflections on plasma, plasma crystals and the "ordered" structures in plasma. I can't help but associate to what crystals and prisms do to light.

Could there be any chance that gravitational lensing is actually light "bent" in a plasma crystal?

Is red shift simply an optical phenomena of the plasma structure and possibly a sign of a stars age? That is, certain ages have more/less plasma structure?

Just another mad idea :)
Good on ya'. You continue to amaze me with your timely, succinct, and insightful posts. I think you ... yet again ... may be onto something with this line of reasoning.

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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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webolife wrote: The answer is even simpler than junglelord's two particles...
interference isn't happening! The spectral pattern is a display of the pressure gradient of light in relation to the central line/vector [of strongest pressure] regardless of the number of "photons" involved... slit devices splay out the vectors like any camera obscura such that geometrically progressive orders of pressure manifest repeating colors, whether single slits or double... there is no physical* difference between diffraction and interference! There are no waves -- there is nothing to interfere! Raindrops act similarly in that they display the spectrum of the entire light field of the source [sun]. Prisms, and other spectroscopic devices splay out only a tiny fragment of the rays from the light source**, resulting in just a single spectral display, ie no supernumerary spectra as from slit devices and raindrops.

*by physical, I mean phenomenal... the addition of a beam splitter in multiple-slit devices produces repeating shadows due to their insertion into and partitioning of the pressure gradient.

**rays from the light source... this is what "photons" are, not particles, waves, or dualities. The light field, like an electrical or gravitational field, has no need to wave or fly across space. Like voltage in EMF, it is a function of the geometry of the system. Fields cause other particles to move; the field itself is static to the extent that it's geometric configuration does not alter.
You wouldn't have a reference or web site or two filling out what you have summarized here, would you? Or do I just look up "pressure gradient of light" to get the gist of the concept?

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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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rc-us,
My answer will for the time be very unsatisfying to you...
I am a dreamer, inspired by the [currently lost Crying or Very sad ] work of a retired physicist by the name of Robert Archer Smith, written up over 40 years ago in a 1000-pg manuscript he entitled "The Truth About Light". He detailed some novel yet very simple experiments involving slit apparati which I studied and duplicated successfully myself, and some with students in my classroom. Among other things, these simple revisitations of the 18/19th C. work of Thomas Young prove that Young's own interference hypothesis was not only wrong, but impossible. It can be demonstrated that conditions Young supposed were necessary for observing the "interference" pattern are not necessary, and that conditions deemed impossible for observing the pattern are useful for eliciting it regardless. Youngs own experiments actually disproved his theory, which was based on his interest in accoustics. All current light-wave hypotheses assume the correctness of Young's theory, without actually examining the inherent conflicts found there. A conflict to start with is that nodal lines of wave interference are hyperbolic, but the spectral colors are projected through the slit in straight lines. The only difference between the double/multiple slit pattern and a single slit pattern is the presence of the shadow[s] of the beamsplitter. Shadows because the light field about the central line/vector from the source is point symmetric, and when ordered by the camera obscura slit produces field potential on both the right and left side of the beamsplitter shadow. You can demonstrate this yourself by using a slit device with one end of the slit having the beamsplitter and the other end lacking it. Young would/should have discovered this himself, had he tried more varieties/sizes of slits for his experiment. This approach shows that diffraction and interference are essentially the same phenomenon. A beamsplitter alone will produce the pattern without a slit! The edge alone [of anything] will produce a one-sided pattern. Those streaks you see through your eyelashes when you squint at a bright light are in fact somewhat disordered versions of the pattern. I like looking at those little Christmas tree lights holding a hair up to my eye... there's the pattern! It shows up just fine looking through my drapery sheers at a lamp lit across the street. Another major conflict in Young's theory is that he assumed and based his description of interference on monochromatic light. A full spectral light source works just fine and produces beautiful supernumerary rainbows in the pattern, all in fine order, a feat not predicted by the interference hypothesis, and yet clearly predicted by the concept of a pressure gradient. Young's angle used to derive the "wavelength" of a color based on the sine of the angle of the color band from the central "line" is much more simply applied to finding the relative pressure in the light field gradient.
OK, now you've got me started...
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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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webolife wrote: rc-us,
My answer will for the time be very unsatisfying to you...
Well, you're correct. But only because of the necessary constraints of the medium (forum postings). Have you considered putting up a web site for the material? Or converting the manuscript to e-format, assuming a copy is still available somewhere?

You've piqued my curiousity and I, for one, would enjoy reading more of the basics. I don't know if your particular take on it is in the ballpark or not, but I've always felt that the whole double-slit thing was fundamentally flawed somewhere, likely in the assumptions it was based upon ... including assumptions about the methodology and the equipment itself ... but have never quite been able to put my finger on what it was.

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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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Question is Light a EM wave/particle?
If so then why don't electric or magnetic forces bend it? Why does only gravity bend light?>
:?

The answer seems to be in our lack of understanding and the basic model. Consider the introduction of a third field, a primary scalar gradient field. This Tempic Field allows light to be the primary product of that field. Consider if you will Light is a Scalar vibration or loop which has no electric or magnetic field until it hits an atom able to absorb it into its electron shell adding back the EM components of its wave.

Light can be polarized, it only fits one direction through a narrow slit smaller then its wavelength. It is a flat loop traveling along its edge. This is the same model for tempic waves or torsion fields. The longitudinal wave is moving through the tempic field not the EM fields, an important distinction.
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Light becomes an interference pattern only after it interacts, study the two slit experiment to see how this operates. Light is operating inside the one dimensional force at its most basic level of primary spin. It is an alteration of its velocity back and forth as it moves through space. It is the first possible vibration operating on the prime force of nature the scalar gradient field. The torsion field is also this type of manifestation, completely void of EM. This is why scalar waves may pass right through solid objects such a Faraday cages, if these waves are not responsive to the wavelengths of the matter.
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The scalar gradient field receiver has been created. Two coils placed in quadrature will rebuild the electric component of a torsion wave (see NMR circuits). Only after the Electric field is reestablished will a magnetic field form, from its movement, and we discover all sit at 90 degrees to one another.
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So why does only gravity bend light? Light is not bent by a magnetic field or an electric field because it does not have one in itself to be interactive with, it is only bent in a gravity field where we see stars bending the light from objects passing behind them. Because Light is a Tempic scalar gradient modulation and Gravity is an electro - tempic one.

It is the smallest pure tempic field vibration we normally encounter. Much like the torsion waves we see Protons emitting in the scalar coils, they can not be measured or detected using EM sensitive equipment, until they hit a system designed to move the energy back into the normal EM fields. Light does not loose energy as it propagates, the value of Planks constant shows us that it is a quantum energy packet that does not experience any loss as it travels. Torsion waves also exhibit this quality.

Study of the atomic system reveals the necessary facts:
The major weight and mass of an atom lies at the nucleus and is moving at near light speeds in a state of spin. The rest state of this spin is C or light speed, the zero point. This can be viewed as a torsion force from the physical side, and torsion can be used to make electric motors spin up. However this involves a 90 degree shift of the motion of Electrons into the motion of Copper atoms. The effect is based on spin and originates inside the copper atoms interaction of two spin forces operating at 90 degrees. This is the natural positioning of the magnetic and diamagnetic fields as they are repelled from one another.

In Copper we see it is magnetic at the Proton layer and not at the Electron layer. Placed in a moving magnetic field induction causes the diamagnetic field to expand outwards becoming a strongly repulsive force. It is the diamagnetic field that is spinning at 90 degrees and why the force is transferred into another motional vector. The diamagnetic force is always present to offer a stronger force always pushing back but not in the same direction of spin.

Torsion is transmitted or coupled through a magnetic field, remove the field and the torsion stops being transferred. This is the nature of field coherence for the torsion field and how it can be collapsed. Torsion moves between atoms through the magnetic field of the Proton, atom to atom, and over distance becomes the field with the greatest reach outside of matter. It hops from Proton to Electron to Proton.

To collapse the torsion field in matter from the physical side, requires manipulating the Protons such that they can no longer form into their natural isotope chains of alignment and exchange Torsion over time through the Electron shell. Field coherence will drop away and the torsion field collapse will disconnect matter from all tempic connections in the outside frames of reference. This includes the gravity, and time constants which operate through this link.

Collapsing the Torsion field:
When we observe the work of John Hutchison, levitating a cannon ball using 5 EM instruments, we realize that the forces of the tempic field can be altered. What is happening may not be clear to most and seems like magic to be feared, but the explanation is really very straight forwards from the field forces models already commonly in place if one can make the leap to the one dimensional field force, or Torsion to realize its true nature.

Hutchison:

Hit the Protons with so many EM pulses in a noise or at random rates so as to keep the Protons in a state of Chaos, with few magnetic fields crossing long enough to exchange their torsion. The torsion field looses its coherence and crashes inwards like a magnetic coil being de energized. The EM forces of each atom continue to hold matter together. Although with this system we see that often even steel may loose molecular cohesion and begin to fall apart. This means the torsion became non coherent inside the atoms as well rather then merely shrunken to the atoms size. The unpredictable nature of this method, although invaluable in proving to the world it is possible, is not suitable for common use, nor is it safe to be around. An observation also on the work of John Hutchisen using Tesla coils and RF to send objects through density in a rather violent method that can even fuse two pieces of matter together or break the crystal structures of metals down so that they fall apart. This may be the results we would expect to get from manipulating only the Electric fields and not counterbalancing the Protonic forces along with them through the magnetic field. Johns generators all effect only the Electron side of the balance, the yang force.

An offshoot of this would be to solve the problem of creating an interference pattern to dislodge the magnetic alignment of Protons into a randomness without effecting the Electron shell in the process which operates in the microwave band. The correct pattern in the 1 to 20MHz regions, or at least well below 1Ghz. This is a problem for the mathematicians and physicists to solve but would lead to a device that could be placed against an object and cause it to become weightless

http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/FieldForces.htm
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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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Why does only gravity bend light?> junglelord
I'm not into gravity bending light. :
http://members.chello.nl/~n.benschop/Ph ... yEther.doc

Near the Sun the ether is more concentrated so that there is
a kind of refraction of light.
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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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I have to fully read the link. At a quick glance I am correct that you would call light a EM wave?
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Re: Recovered: New Theory of Light

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junglelord wrote: I have to fully read the link. At a quick glance I am correct that you would call light a EM wave?
I don't know much about the link. And it doesn't matter
much what I call light. If there are finer particles which
constitute an ether, then these particles can vibrate and
pass on a vibration, and these particles can be more
concentrated in some places. Thus the bending of light
can be explained from this. Astromoners use Einstein
formulae to determine the amount light bends for distance
from the Sun. But I am not convinced, not that this means
anything much.
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