World renowned physicist challenged over free energy machine

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World renowned physicist challenged over free energy machine

Post by Tone » Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:39 am

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From the column of Michael Salla, Ph.D.
An experimental nuclear physicist has written an Open Letter to world renowned physicist, Dr Michio Kaku,
challenging his dismissal of non-conventional energy devices - more popularly known as “free energy” machines.
Read more: http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu ... y-machines

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Re: World renowned physicist challenged over free energy machine

Post by Tina » Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:05 am

Good on Dr Robert Koontz but I don't think he's likely to get a reply....and the world will think no less of Dr Michio Kaku for it. The notion of "free energy machines" have been given such negative press that anyone promoting them can only be a con artist or a nutter....

This is a response from a Nuclear Engineer from NASA to an inquiry about scalar energy. You will note the justification for rejecting the notion of "free energy" is based on very little science - simply ridicule and scientifically bereft arguments..

Re: I am currently interested in scalar energy. What is so dangerous about them?
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/20 ... .Ph.r.html

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Re: World renowned physicist challenged over free energy machine

Post by Solar » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:04 am

Its rather odd, in fact inconsistent and contradictory, that these exact same "vacuum" forces are then put forth via Dirac's "Hole Theory" in superconductivity. Apparently neither Kniffin in 2004, nor Dr Michio Kaku have any knowledge of Konstantin Meyl's work in this area. Universities and research centers can purchase Scalar Wave kits for goodness sake. :shock:

Another interesting thing is that Kniffin brought up "perpetual motion". In relation to the presence of scalar forces i.e. "vacuum energy", Dirac's "sea of negative energy", the "virtual particles" of quantum physics, "voltage potential" et al there would appear to be serious implications towards the assumption that the universe had a "beginning" and will have an "end". None of the aforementioned "begin" with "emptiness":
(…) Classical theory tends to start out with charge as the source of electric fields, whereas Relativity pulls field out from nowhere by the magic of abstract transformations or reference frames” - Harold Aspden, “Modern Aether Science”, pg. 85

The origin of the electron must be a medium which is electrical in character and no amount of abstract thinking can avoid this conclusion. Relativity does not have the power to cross these boundaries either. – Modern Aether Science pg 91
I find the denial and/or ignorance of these things to be nothing more than the ramblings of seriously flawed paradigmatic consensus. Its so sad to see such well "educated" people like Dr Michio Kaku perpetually wandering in such a fog. Especially when someone of his stature can arrange a direct appointment and have an at length interview; with hands-on demonstrations - with someone like K. Meyl. A fact that blatantly flies square in the face of his dismissal.

What, exactly, does it take to pull these people out of their "world renowned" bubbles?
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Re: World renowned physicist challenged over free energy machine

Post by junglelord » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:20 am

These people are a "front", thats my belief. They know the truth, they sell a lie, its their job to protect national security, sort of the national securty poster boy, if you will.
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Re: World renowned physicist challenged over free energy machine

Post by Tina » Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:15 am

junglelord wrote: They know the truth, they sell a lie, its their job to protect national security..... :roll:
And good old Wiki categorizes it (scalar energy) as pseudoscience:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_fie ... doscience)

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Re: World renowned physicist challenged over free energy machine

Post by Solar » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:28 am

However, there is merit given to "Radiant energy". Why is that?

Because "Radiant Energy" falls within the mec2 domain i.e. the light-speed limited & mass-bound electromagnetic "reference frame":
Historically, the propagation of electromagnetic radiation was presumed to rely on a medium filling all space, known as the aether.[5][6][7] Electromagnetic waves were presumed to propagate through this medium by inducing transverse electric and magnetic stresses and strains, analogous to those induced by shear waves propagating through a physical medium.[8] In modern times, the propagation of electromagnetic waves has been shown not to require any physical medium, although some interpretations of general relativity can be viewed as implying that space acts as a kind of non-physical "medium" for light.

Because electromagnetic (EM) radiation can be conceptualized as a stream of photons, radiant energy can be viewed as the energy carried by these photons. Alternatively, EM radiation can be viewed as an electromagnetic wave, which carries energy in its oscillating electric and magnetic fields. These two views are completely equivalent and are reconciled to one another in quantum field theory (see wave-particle duality). - Radiant energy
They don't want to cross the "mass-less" border implicated by the photon and the superluminal "stimulus" that produces them. Yet, as cited earlier, this is being done. Take a look at the second video on Meyls web page: Prof. Meyl shows tesla longitudinal electricity transmission in 2003

When Meyl demonstrates Tesla longitudinal electricity transmission at 2:35 sec into the video someone interrupts the demonstration to ask a question. The question pertains to the presence of a “battery”:
Questioner: “Is there a battery on your circuit board? … Is there a power source to light up that light… What’s lighting up that light?”

Meyl: “err... There is no battery.”

Questioner: Thank you … thought everyone should know that.


That video is dated 2003. I find it interesting that a peer found it necessary to reaffirm that there was no battery. It subsumes ignorance with regard to the way the apparatus works. To me, that indicates peers in the field are unawares, not necessarily a hidden “front” for spurious activities though that may occur as well.

It is also interesting that at 12:45 sec Meyl explains that at 4.6 MHz you just have the Hertzian wave which are limited to the speed of light and at 7.2 MHz you have the scalar wave at 1.5 times the speed of light.

Meyl contrast:

  • The traditional consensus acknowledged relationship of ‘wave transmission’ via “mass bound” (Hertzian) light speed limited “group velocity”
  • The ‘wave transmission’ of “mass-less” faster than light “scalar” energy of the “phase velocity”.

In addition, the superluminal realm of a 'sea of neutrinos' is being worked with. We basically have more than just evidence that "energy" exist in another form and working equipment demonstratively proves Dr Michio Kaku wrong in a big way.
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Re: World renowned physicist challenged over free energy machine

Post by Tone » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:11 am

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Solar - "Sound goes superluminal too"

Sound beyond the speed of light: Measurement of negative group velocity in an acoustic loop filter
2 January 2007
The authors describe the experimental observation of negative group velocity propagation of sound waves through an asymmetric loop filter.
The characteristics of the filter are established using impulse response and direct tunneling of narrow bandwidth Gaussian pulses.

The results confirm recent theoretical predictions that faster-than-light group velocity propagation of sound is possible.

Further, the results show that the spectral rephasing achieved in a loop filter is sufficient to produce negative group velocities
independent of the phase velocity of the spectral components themselves.
Thus, superluminal propagation is realized despite almost six orders of magnitude difference between the speeds of sound and light.
http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet ... s&gifs=yes

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Re: World renowned physicist challenged over free energy machine

Post by webolife » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:01 pm

How do I get more info on this supraluminal sound?
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Re: World renowned physicist challenged over free energy machine

Post by junglelord » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:30 pm

You know the physics of negitive velocity will open up a whole can of worms for them at some point.
The reverse EM I made a thread about is another eye opener about the real world we live in and the actually properties of space/time/matter are not the way they sell it. You must admit, dispite now many have bought into the deception, there is enough exotic craft hovering around out there to shake a video camara at, let alone eye witness reports by people like the governor of Arizona and the huge delta craft he saw the night of the famous pheniox lights.

Disclosure has happened, with Dr Steven Greer before 9/11 and again last year a important Disclosure event was put on for the national press club. We are just waiting for the official truth, or their spin on the truth to come out. Until then the majority of the public actually believe in the UFO phenomeon. This in and of itself is physics that must come clean one day and when it does, the EU will come along with it.
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Re: World renowned physicist challenged over free energy machine

Post by Tone » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:32 pm

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webolife wrote:How do I get more info on this supraluminal sound?
'Mach c'? Scientists observe sound traveling faster than the speed of light
January 17th, 2007

Image
In this schematic of the acoustical test system,
the scientists could create superluminal group velocity of sound waves,
as well as negative group velocity.
In the latter case, the peak of the output pulse traveling through the loop filter exited the filter
before the peak of the input pulse had reached the beginning of the filter. Image credit: Bill Robertson, et al.

For the first time, scientists have experimentally demonstrated that sound pulses can travel at velocities faster than the speed of light, c.
William Robertson’s team from Middle Tennessee State University also showed that the group velocity of sound waves can become infinite,
and even negative.
http://www.physorg.com/news88249076.html

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Re: World renowned physicist challenged over free energy machine

Post by junglelord » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:36 pm

The experiment was conducted by two undergrads, an area high school teacher and two high school students, who received funding by an NSF STEP (Science, technology, engineering, math Talent Enhancement Program) grant. The grant aims to increase recruitment and retention of students to these subjects.
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Post by Solar » Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:53 pm

Very interesting find Tone.

Here is some very detailed coverage from 2005 with simulations and animations. The experiment uses the same beads:
Ultrasound Beyond the Speed of Light

Also a good summary here from 2005:
Superluminal Ultrasound? The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News

Curiously, the 2007 Physorg article says:
For the first time, scientists have experimentally demonstrated that sound pulses can travel at velocities faster than the speed of light, c.
Very intersting when 'They' say - that something can travel faster than the speed of light but it doesn't violate Einstein's Relativity. This owing to the inability of the superluminal aspect to carry "information". It can't be encoded or manipulated in any way. Perhaps that is an indication, or necessity, to 're-gauge' back toward into the light-speed limited "reference frame" in order to avoid infinities such 'wave coupling' to higher order "potential" (anomalous dispersion). Hmmm...
When there is no dispersion the group velocity and the speed of the waves are the same. When the dispersion is positive the group velocity will be greater than the wave speed. If the dispersion is strong enough, the group velocity can get very large, and even become infinite or negative.

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Surprisingly, the calculations showed that at relatively moderate concentrations of the spheres in water, the group velocity could go beyond c, and even become infinite or negative.

(...)

In order to actually observe a positive superluminal velocity of ultrasound, it would be necessary to control the sphere concentration to an extreme precision. It turns out that the number of spheres required to reach c in our 8 mL sample chamber (a volume a little more than a teaspoon-and–a-half) is about 400,000. But the addition of just 4 more beads in the chamber would push it not only beyond c, but beyond infinity into the negative velocity regime.
This reminds me of Dirac's "Hole Theory" and "holes" behaving like "negative mass".
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Re: World renowned physicist challenged over free energy machine

Post by junglelord » Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:56 pm

Bob has joined the Quonset Hut, which is Linda Browns forum.
http://www.ttownsendbrown.com/forum/index.php
Linda is the daughter of TT Brown who pioneered electrogravitics.
It was mentioned on her other forum "lights on at the runway"
http://www.qualight.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=140

I encourage the gang to come over to the other side and say hello.
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