Wave–particle duality

[Influx]

Hey I was wondering about something and though I'd see what others thought. In a double-slit experiment it has been shown that a single particle acts as a wave that interferes with it self. ONLY when going tru the double slit. Once it hits a screen its a particle again.

So I thought what if the double slit acts like a potential barrier? That is, the electron experiences evanescent wave coupling as it approaches the double slits, quantum tunnels thru the slits as a wave packet stetting up the interference. Once the wave packet clears the slits, evanescent wave coupling is destroyed and the electron continues on its marry way its path now had been alerted by the interference in evanescent wave packet? I am I crazy?

[tangointhenight]

Maybe you are crazy that's why people are avoiding this thread.

Just joking. I guess quantum tunneling would explain the duality.

[tangointhenight]

I think matter can be a wave and particle.

Like for instance water, can be a solid or a liquid. Same with space, it can be a solid, matter, or "liquid". When its in the liquid state it is pure space. Matter can be turned back into the "Liquid" state then it can be transmitted like a wave, through the barrier.
Once on the other side, the wave turns back into a solid, matter.

How is this possible? Because space holds information!

[altonhare]

I think matter can be a wave and particle.

Like for instance water, can be a solid or a liquid. Same with space, it can be a solid, matter, or "liquid". When its in the liquid state it is pure space. Matter can be turned back into the "Liquid" state then it can be transmitted like a wave, through the barrier.
Once on the other side, the wave turns back into a solid, matter.

How is this possible? Because space holds information!

When Alice falls down the rabbit hole, anything can happen.

[junglelord]

It is neither, and since we are talking about charge, one must first realize that it is always distributed.
It is not linear.
It is however capable to have resonate nodes on its distributed surface.
Being a distributed entity, it appears as a wave, having harmonic nodes, it looks like a particle...it is neither, it is simple distributed charge.

The geometry of the distributed charge is well established, it is either a sphere when one is looking at ES charge, and a toroid when looking at EM charge. One must learn that subatomic units are comprised of these two charges, EM surrounding ES. The photon is an electron explanding at the speed of light.

[kevin]

Junglelord,
A blast from pre-einstein.
It's got me all in a spin.
http://rsnz.natlib.govt.nz/volume/rsnz_ ... 06210.html

It could even bring out white rabbits in the most boring rationalistic proof requied types?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfv6v3dP-00

Everything spins, into spirals, as the dormouse said?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oRKvpZ7 ... re-related
Kevin

[Solar]

It is neither, and since we are talking about charge, one must first realize that it is always distributed.
It is not linear.

What then, causes an electric current (several 'charges') to progress, extend, or traverse from point A to point B?

The photon is an electron explanding at the speed of light.

What is this based on - or would you care to elaborate?

[flyingcloud]

since we are in the mad ideas

the photon must be instantaneous
the electron enters a heightened shell "emmitting" a photon which xfers it's energy to the next atom, (appearing almost dare I say threadlike, in three dimensions anyway) and does the bump onward to all neighboring atoms, in a chain reaction before settling back into it's previous orientation


leading to the possibility of polarization
I think it's inspired from how electrons are supposedly knocked loose in photovalic cells, and how electrons move in a strand of copper wire
magnets move these electrons in copper, and if the electrons come from the copper and not the magnet or the surrounding environment, they can neither be used or exhausted just recycled

I don't really understand any of what I see or say for that matter, so I could be way off base here...

thanks for listening...

[Influx]

When Alice falls down the rabbit hole, anything can happen.

Like threads! Come on.......

[altonhare]

It is neither, and since we are talking about charge, one must first realize that it is always distributed.
It is not linear.
It is however capable to have resonate nodes on its distributed surface.

Being a distributed entity, it appears as a wave, having harmonic nodes, it looks like a particle...it is neither, it is simple distributed charge.

The geometry of the distributed charge is well established, it is either a sphere when one is looking at ES charge, and a toroid when looking at EM charge. One must learn that subatomic units are comprised of these two charges, EM surrounding ES. The photon is an electron explanding at the speed of light.

So 'it' is distributed charge, which has the shape of a sphere or toroid (or something in between). How is a sphere/toroid fundamentally different from a particle?

[junglelord]

Alton, you of all people know the answer to your own question.
Or else you truly do not know anything.

[tangointhenight]

When Alice falls down the rabbit hole, anything can happen.

Like threads! Come on.......

Well, I'm not ganna go running around believing in my own theory. theories need proof.

Proof separates crap from reality. If we disregard proof then we would have a lot of crap in our textbooks.

[euniverse]

Hi Reilly -- Causality is half the knowledge equation. I liken the duality as follows - causality vs polarity. Causal elements are determinate, while polar elements are indeterminate.

What this means is that from the level of a polar world, we see duality or the yin/yang, dark/light, hot/cold etc manifestations around us. While from a causal perspective, there is no duality. Rather there is a single source which in time reveals dualistic elements. But at the moment of causation, its a singularity. This explains the problems Einstein dealt with concerning light - namely how could light be both a wave and a particle. The wave is causal, the particles are polar.

D

Hi D -- Interesting indeed. Your singular source is pretty much like the Big Bang. The duality it creates, then, is composed of energy and matter, which of course can be transformed into each other. Another thought about causality vs polarity. One of the peculiar aspects of chaos theory and/or non-linear dynamics is that there are causal systems that for all intensive purposes behave in a random fashion. They would be observed as random systems. Is it live, or is it Memorex?

Except when teaching undergraduates, physicists don't typically worry about the wave-particle duality that is observed in Nature. You are quite right, the wave is causal, described by the deterministic Schrodinger equation. The solutions of this equation determine the probabilities governing the electron's or photon's behavior.

Bohr's point was that phenomena at the microscopic, atomic level need not and do not operate the same way as macroscopic phenomena - macroscopic concepts do not necessarily apply at the atomic level. Sort of: accept what's there, and don't worry about it. That's what professional physicists do, for the most part - duality is a given - period. To some degree, the wave or particle is an artifact of the measuring process. Wave particle duality: we accept, but somewhat under duress.

Reilly

[altonhare]

Alton, you of all people know the answer to your own question.
Or else you truly do not know anything.

It's an honest question. What is fundamentally different between a sphere and a particle?