Ancient Technologies

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Lloyd
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Re: Ancient Technologies

Unread post by Lloyd » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:50 am

I started a thread on my website on theories at http://futureschool.boards.net/thread/22/theories . Below is how I'm starting it out. I may modify it eventually. If anyone has info or suggestions for collaboration etc, feel free to reply. I need to add one or more questions re Ancient Tech.

CATASTROPHIST THEORIES

i. MODELS
ii. QUESTIONS & ANSWERS FOR COMPARISON OF MODELS
iii. REQUESTS FOR EACH MODEL
iv. DISCUSSIONS LINKS
v. MODELS CONSIDERED FAIRLY ACCURATE & COMPLETE
(Parts i and ii are semi-completed below so far.)

i. MODELS

IV __ Immanuel Velikovsky
__ http://www.varchive.org/
__ http://www.everythingselectric.com/prod ... sion-free/
__ http://ltfmc.org/wp-content/uploads/201 ... heaval.pdf
__ http://youtu.be/uflfUwrNx2k
RD __ Robert Driscoll
__ http://www.catastrophism.com/intro/sear ... t%5B%5D=-1
JA __ Jack Ackerman
__ http://www.firmament-chaos.com/va_scenario.html
__ http://cycliccatastrophism.org/
GG __ Gary Gilligan
__ http://www.godkingscenario.com/ __
http://www.gks.uk.com/
GH __ Gunnar Heinsohn
__ http://www.catastrophism.com/intro/sear ... t%5B%5D=-1
JC __ Jno Cook
__ http://saturniancosmology.org/
DC __ Dwardu Cardona
__ http://www.ifiseeu.com/saturn-jupiter-m ... emands.htm
__ http://www.saturniancosmology.org/files/thoth/
DT __ Dave Talbott
__ http://www.saturniancosmology.org/files/thoth/
OC __ Oard Creationists
__ http://creation.com/michael-j-oard
__ http://creation.com/andrew-a-snelling
JB __ John Baumgardner
__ http://www.socalsem.edu/noahs-flood-the ... h-history/
__ http://creation.com/john-baumgardner
WB __ Walter Brown
__ http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/
__ http://creation.com/hydroplate-theory
MF __ Mike Fischer
__ http://newgeology.us/
LK __ Lloyd Kinder
__ http://futureschool.boards.net/thread/2 ... astrophism

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ii. QUESTIONS FOR EACH MODEL FOR COMPARISON

A. What is the main claim of each theory?
B. How and when did the Earth form?
C. How and when did the largely granitic/sedimentary continents and the largely basaltic ocean basins form?
D. How and when did sedimentary rock strata form?
E. How and when did mountains form?
F. What Earth cataclysms occurred and when?
G. Which space objects caused which of the cataclysms and how?

Younger Dryas
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Re: Ancient Technologies

Unread post by Younger Dryas » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:01 pm

OP you appear to be confusing a fan made/inspired youtube video, with the work of Jno Cook. Which as far as I can tell he is not, nor has been involved with.
"I decided to believe, as you might decide to take
an aspirin: It can't hurt, and you might get better."
-- Umberto Eco Foucault's Pendulum (1988)

kauranos
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Re: Ancient Technologies

Unread post by kauranos » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:00 pm

The Nimrud lens (750 BC) is from Assyria . Aristophanes wrote Comedy of the Clouds in 424 BC: Strepsiades: “Have you ever seen a beautiful, transparent stone at the druggists’, with which you may kindle fire?”       Socrates: “You mean a crystal lens.”

1st century AD Roman Seneca the Younger :“Letters, however small and indistinct, are seen enlarged and more clearly through a globe or glass filled with water.”   The lens from Mount Ida Crete 5th century BC can magnify seven times and even twenty times with considerable distortion. Galileo's telescope had 20x mag.

Roman writers Pliny and Seneca refer to a lens used by an engraver in Pompeii. There are may exampls of Celtic metalwork with tiny details.
such as the e in exampls

Lloyd
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Re: Ancient Technologies

Unread post by Lloyd » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:19 am

John, kauranos, you should provide references, but I agree that those are good evidence. My impression is that there was very advanced civilization over 4,000 years ago, which produced the ancient maps shortly after the greatest cataclysms, but that later civilization lost a lot of tech, until the Renaissance.

kauranos
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Re: Ancient Technologies

Unread post by kauranos » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:34 pm

Lloyd,
Here we go:

"John" : birth certificate , Plymouth UK.

Nimrud lens - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nimrud_lens

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/8688/8688-8.txt
Title: The Eleven Comedies. Author: Aristophanes et al

STREPSIADES. I have found a very clever way to annul that conviction; youwill admit that much yourself.
SOCRATES. What is it?
STREPSIADES. Have you ever seen a beautiful, transparent stone at thedruggists, with which you may kindle fire?SOCRATES. You mean a crystal lens.
STREPSIADES. Yes.SOCRATES. Well, what then?
STREPSIADES. If I placed myself with this stone in the sun and a long way off from the clerk, while he was writing out the conviction, I could makeall the wax, upon which the words were written, melt.

Seneca the Younger. Book 1. Meteors, Halo and Rainbow. Vi.1

Pliny the Elder, Natural History , 37.10,28, transltion D.E.Eichholz. quoted in :https://www.academia.edu/1191174/A_Rare ... Instrument

"Yet other scholars have strongly advocated the view that magnifying aids were necessary for the craftsmen who manufactured them. (Beck 1928, p. 327; Sines & Sakellarakis1987, p. 194)".

Lloyd
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Re: Ancient Technologies

Unread post by Lloyd » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:01 pm

Thanks, John. Good job with listing your sources there (or I assume so, since I can't check them out easily). What do you think of the ancient maps that indicate that there was advanced tech much earlier, at the time of the Great Flood and other cataclysms, that allowed people then to make accurate maps before, during and after the ice sheets formed? Have you studied any of that?

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Re: Ancient Technologies

Unread post by Lloyd » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:17 am

Looks like John, i.e. kauranos, is no longer a member of the forum. I wonder what happened.

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