How do tornadoes form? By Skip Talbot (storm chaser)

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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How do tornadoes form? By Skip Talbot (storm chaser)

Unread postby jimmcginn » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:13 am

How do tornadoes form?
By Skip Talbot (storm chaser)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeHcJCbSxY0

My response:
Meteorology is not a concise, empirical science. It is a continuing conversation about a scientific topic. In that respect it is little more than an attempt to get the public to believe that meteorologists understand what they plainly do not understand--tornadogenesis. You (Skip Talbot) accomplish nothing here in that all you are doing is repeating the same conversational talking points of this pretense.

The key to understanding tornadoes begins and ends with understanding the composition and origins of the cone or sheath of the tornado. Observation indicates that the sheath of the tornado is structural. We currently have no means of explaining the emergence of structural properties starting with nothing more than air, water, and energetic flow. I theorize that It is the surface tension properties of H2O that are maximized under wind shear conditions that explains the emergence of a plasma and this plasma explains the structural properties of the sheath of a tornado.

So, according to my theory, the process of explaining tornadogenesis starts with understanding the underlying cause of H2O surface tension. Unfortunately this understanding is hidden from us by the fact that the discipline of chemistry presents us with a dumbed down model of water--a model that essentially dismisses numerous "anomalies" (unexplained observations) of H2O, including surface tension. More on this here:
Are You Confused About Hydrogen Bonding In Water?
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17078
YouTube Video: Are you confused about hydrogen bonding in water?
https://youtu.be/RfNuWJDJvRw

Unless and until people wake up to the fact that we are being lied to by meteorologists and chemists there is zero chance of understanding tornadogenesis.

As is so often the case in science, the first steps to solving puzzle of tornadogenesis are political and not scientific. If you try to the a nice guy and try to accommodate the opinions of people who make their living pretending to understand what they plainly do not understand then you are as much of the problem as are they.

Skip, stick with chasing tornadoes. You do not have the intellectual accumen or the emotional hard-headedness to deal with this greatly maligned topic.

James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes
The 'Missing Link' of Meteorology's Theory of Storms
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Re: How do tornadoes form? By Skip Talbot (storm chaser)

Unread postby Sci-Phy » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:42 am

Does water involved in tornado forming on Jupiter?
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Re: How do tornadoes form? By Skip Talbot (storm chaser)

Unread postby crawler » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:56 pm

Standard science tornadogenesis is krapp. Horizontal vortex leaning to the vertical. Krapp.
Gerald Pollack explains how EZ water & the right hand rule duzz the trick.
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Re: How do tornadoes form? By Skip Talbot (storm chaser)

Unread postby jimmcginn » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:33 am

Sci-Phy asked:
Does water involved in tornado forming on Jupiter?

JMcG:
I don't know. But I suspect it does.

crawler:
Standard science tornadogenesis is krapp.

JMcG:
Yes, It really is crap. It starts with absurdly speculative parallels between H2O evaporation and the boiling of H2O that is associated with steam-based technology (ie. steam trains). From that starting absrd starting point they just continue down the path of dumbing down their model so that they can pretend to have a basis to dismiss the contractions and inconsistencies that the are unable to explain (most notably, the "anomalies' of H2O).

crawler:
Horizontal vortex leaning to the vertical. Krapp.

JMcG:
Well, most vortices in the atmosphere run laterally and are very high. They are generally found along boundaries between moist and dry air, which generally run laterally and are very high. It is only leeward of major mountain ranges where boundaries experience turbulence that sometimes causes the boundary to encounter the ground. This is where tornadoes occur.

crawler:
Gerald Pollack explains how EZ water & the right hand rule duzz the trick.

JMcG:
Pollack's thinking is vague and convoluted. (His "right had rule" stuff is nonsense.) But I give him credit for not pretending that the convoluted aspects of his thinking do not exist, which is all conventional chemistry is doing. Pollack attempts to draw out the inconsistencies and contradictions. Conventional morons sweep them under the rug.

Most substances have a linear relationship between interconnectedness and collective strength. For H2O the relationship is inverse: the more connected H2O molecules are to one another the weaker is the force that connects them. (This has a lot to do with why the densest form of H2O [liquid water at about 3 celsius] has the lowest viscosity.) This also explains why situational factors that reduce connectedness, like surface boundaries, have increased structural strength. This explains the phenomena of surface tension.

If you really want to get a sense of how ridiculously desperate conventional chemistry is to get the public to accept/believe what they claim to understand but what they plainly do not understand there probably is no better place to start than to read the comments between myself and two chemists, Professor Dave and Robin Bedford:
Are You Confused About Hydrogen Bonding In Water?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfNuWJDJvRw

Take note of how egregiously these two pretenders hide behind their credential to pretend to have a deep understanding that they plainly don't have.

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