Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

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Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby ttsoares » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:38 pm

N. Tesla proposed the idea that we have a "rain fall" of Ether from space, that is converted in the planets core to electrons and those "float" to the surface.

So, gravity is a push, not a pull.

It seems that the Michelson–Morley experiment was repeated but one "leg" of the interferometer pointing up and this demonstrated the vertical flux of Ether from above...

Additionally there is that proposal of Dr. Paul LaViolette that the Ether is formed of different kinds of "eterons" (https://www.thehighersidechats.com/dr-paul-laviolette-anti-gravity-propulsion-aether-physics-secret-science/) and that could explain gravity as a repulsive and attractive force.

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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby Roshi » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:30 am

What if the aether is like water and celestial bodies like air bubbles and this "water" pushes on them from outside?
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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby jacmac » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:38 pm

ttsoares said:
So, gravity is a push, not a pull.

If something is pushing bodies that fall to the earth,
what gives the falling body the proper direction ?
If a force is pulling, the center of gravity seems to be
the correct destination.
If a force is pushing what is the relationship to the center of gravity
that seems to always send the falling body toward same center of gravity ?
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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby ttsoares » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:53 pm

Push or pull is a metaphor, for crying out loud !!

We lack the language to deal with "forbidden knowledge" as the Aether...

Anyhow, water falling do not act only in the center of mass of objects and the resultant of this "pressure" is the center of gravity.
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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby nick c » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:31 am

A question:
If gravity is a push then I don't understand why there would be a greater push toward a body with greater mass than a body with a lesser mass. Are you saying that the larger body has a greater shielding (of the ambient push) on one side than that of a smaller body?
Why does the Earth have stronger force pushing toward it than does the Moon?
What am I missing here?
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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby kevin » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:32 am

nick c wrote:A question:
If gravity is a push then I don't understand why there would be a greater push toward a body with greater mass than a body with a lesser mass. Are you saying that the larger body has a greater shielding (of the ambient push) on one side than that of a smaller body?
Why does the Earth have stronger force pushing toward it than does the Moon?
What am I missing here?


the ratio of implosion over outrush , this ratio will be relative the size of mass, but also to the rate of creation.


The creation of mass starts with organic matter that eventually transmutes into mass.


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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby ttsoares » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:55 am

We are all missing the adequate language anyway... But lets talk about anyhow !

If one drag a net in water, the smaller the mesh the hard is to move it.
A dense material (say Pb) is a tight net, but wood is much more "open".

Planets are like sinks of Aether that is "transmuted" to electrons somehow in the center of the mass.

Anyhow, there are neutrino detectors (large pools of water) and at night we have half of the numbers of the day... so this do not seems to be a good candidate to be the Aether - what ever it is.
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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby MotionTheory » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:19 pm

ttsoares wrote:...

If one drag a net in water, the smaller the mesh the hard is to move it.
A dense material (say Pb) is a tight net, but wood is much more "open".

Awesome! So glad someone else has similar thought. I've an experiment (on back burner) to test gravity via this very similar concept using Au foil + Pb or Bi in vacuum chamber. Quite certain that this experiment will lacked precision to measure the deltas.

Planets are like sinks of Aether that is "transmuted" to electrons somehow in the center of the mass.

Electron(whatever it is) has mass, hence electron(or whichever smallest mass object) is also like sink. Then mass transmutation would reduced to size of aether = a dead end. Furthermore, if mass is a dynamic transmuting of aether, this transmutation would run away, cascade through space not just center of mass.

Anyhow, there are neutrino detectors (large pools of water) and at night we have half of the numbers of the day... so this do not seems to be a good candidate to be the Aether - what ever it is.

If this info/data is correct, clearly neutrino detectors catch/count incoming neutrino from the sun. Night side of earth should has larger G (gravitational constant) than sun facing - again 'larger' is in perspective of super high precision.
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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby Michael Anteski » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:18 am

If, as I believe, there exists a universal ether matrix, then it's most logical that gravity is due to a contraction or "tightening" of that matrix. -The volume of the space between attracted solid bodies would, of course, have to stay the same, but if there is a universal ether, and if it consists of individual elemental ether units, then there would have to be a "continuum" of the elemental ether units between those ether units, both inside the bodies and the elemental ether units in the "auric" space between the bodies. That would make the ether units in that part of space more energized, compared to the rest of space, beyond the bodies, (by the auric-space units having resonated with the elemental ether units inside the body, which are at a higher energy state from being inside atoms inside the bodies.)

That would make the ether units in that space more similar to the makeup of the ether/quantum-atomic state inside the bodies. That means the ether in the auric space would tighten up, or contract, (roughly) similar to the energy situation inside the "solid" bodies

If the ether were a fluid, it would not be able to contract like that. -We may see energy waves, but that doesn't mean it is basically fluid. Water acts like a mass, and manifests "waves," but is made up of H2O molecules, which in turn are made of protons, neutrons, and electrons (and ether units.)
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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby celeste » Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:42 pm

Has everyone here read the latest theories on LeSage gravity? This is not a new idea, and has come a long way from its inception back in the days of Fatio de Duillier. But the objections by Fatio and his friend Issac Newton, caused them to drop the idea, and LeSage picked it up from there.

Many of the objections to this “pushing gravity” concept have been addressed, and the theory is NOT DEAD.
But it is best first to review where this idea stands, and what is left to do.

Absolutely though, the idea of “action at a distance” attraction is a fiction, and gravity must be due to a pressure “pushing” matter together. More significantly, if one wants to propose an Aether, we must have a pressure or drag from that.

This book is awesome:
https://www.amazon.com/Pushing-Gravity- ... 0968368972
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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby rickard » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:23 am

How does one explain that the gravity force is instantaneous?
Since its "impression" or influence on objects with a mass does not "take time", does that not indicate that here are working a force that exist beyond time and space?
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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby celeste » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:39 am

rickard wrote:How does one explain that the gravity force is instantaneous?
Since its "impression" or influence on objects with a mass does not "take time", does that not indicate that here are working a force that exist beyond time and space?


Not necessarily instantaneous, but much faster than the speed of light. That is a big difference. But as we have seen, Don Scott has modeled galactic rotation without even using gravity on the galactic scale. There is no room in his model for an “extra” gravitational force. This too is explained in the pushing gravity model. Gravity should have both a finite range, and a finite propagation time.

So, while there is evidence that gravity works on the scale of the solar system, or even small systems of stars, the models break down even on the scale of star clusters. This is important to note. It is not just at the galactic scale where the gravity only model fails, but even on the relatively local scale of a few hundred light years. So we don’t have to explain how gravity can propagate over hundreds of light years nearly instantaneously. There is no evidence that it propagates over that distance at all.
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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby kenneth_sun » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:51 am

This is my out of the blue theory of gravity inspired by electromagnetism.

Let's look at the solar system. I assume the sun is sending out electromagnetic energy that is picked up by the planets orbiting around it. These are the receivers of the energy and by electromagnetic interference these planets get their own electromagnetic field. It is a bit more difficult than this as the planets are also created first and are not just there waiting to receive energy to start spinning.

The sun has 2 poles that both exert an electromagnetic force on the orbiting planets. Because the axis of rotation of the orbiting planets is not the same as the axis of rotation of the sun, these 2 electromagnetic forces are causing a rotation of the planet around its axis. The 2 electromagnetic forces of the poles of the sun have opposite directions and thus they cause the receiving planet to spin.

Another effect of this pushing and at the same time pulling forces of the sun, is that the planet will orbit the sun.
Would there be only a pulling force, then the planet would just attach to the sun. Would there be only a pushing force, then the planet would be traveling away from the sun. The combination of these 2 forces creates the orbiting of planets around the sun.

Each planet does have 2 counterclockwise rotations. The core of the planet rotates in the counterclockwise direction as the outside. This is probably one of the reasons why we are not thrown off by the spinning rotation.

The sun itself also makes an orbit through space.
All these movements together create the effect of what we experience as gravity.
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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby Todd » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:11 pm

N. Tesla proposed the idea that we have a "rain fall" of Ether from space, that is converted in the planets core to electrons and those "float" to the surface.


Interesting idea, I'm curious where you read that? In the book 'Forbidden Science' edited by J. Douglas Kenyon, Tesla is quoted saying the following about "aether":

"We know that electricity acts like an incompressible fluid; that there must be a constant quantity of it in Nature; that it can be neither produced or destroyed... and that electricity and aether phenomenon are identical."

p.75
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Re: Gravity is a convergence of Ether ?

Unread postby jacmac » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:39 pm

Gravity is a reduction of ether density'
There is etheric consciousness.
The more alert etheric units move out of the path of possible interaction;
They don't want to be caught between a rock and a hard place.
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