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Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theory

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theory

Unread postby jimmcginn » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:23 pm

Science is simple. But not everything that is simple is science. Consider these four facts:
1) There is a huge amount of evaporation (creation of moist air) occurring in the vicinity of the equatorial latitudes.
2) There is little evaporation (creation of moist air) in the vicinity of the polar latitudes.
3) The most violent and energetic storms rage on constantly in the vicinity of the polar latitudes.
4) The most gentle and brief storms occur in the vicinity of the equatorial latitudes.

If meteorological claims that storms are powered by the buoyancy of lighter, moist air then the most violent and energetic storms would occur along the equator and the most gentle storms would occur at the poles. Since exactly the opposite is actually observed the convection model of storm theory is--once again--refuted.

Yes, folks, it's that simple. This is how science *actually* works. Take it from me, a real scientist. You can safely ignore anybody that disputes what I am saying here. But don't worry. This probably will never happen. Pretenders never actually attempt to identify why they believe what they claim they believe.

Meteorology is a nonsense paradigm that depends greatly on pretending to understand what it does not in order to marginalize anybody that reveals to the public that they are full of fertilizer.

James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes

Check this out:
Why the Convection Model of Storm Theory is based on Pixie Dust
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.phy ... SSeFBqEQAJ
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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

Unread postby Chickenmales » Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:53 pm

Could the storms in the polar latitudes be caused by a build up of charge coming in through the Earth's magnetic field from space? So there would be a build up of charge in the atmosphere, which would then discharge like a capacitor when the charge reaches a certain level. Could that work?
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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

Unread postby jimmcginn » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:43 pm

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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

Unread postby Chickenmales » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:15 pm

OK, but electricity has to fit in somewhere because of lightning, doesn't it? And moist air would be a better conductor than dry air, so dry air would have a higher capacitance than wet air. Also some sort of water plasma, like EZ water or something, could potentially have different electrical properties than normal water. Right?
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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

Unread postby jimmcginn » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:41 am

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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

Unread postby Chickenmales » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:55 am

I think it's all pretty interesting, although I've never really studied meteorology. One idea I have heard of though is the idea that tornadoes and hurricanes are created by an electric current where the electrons are coming down from the atmosphere and earthing on the surface. For some reason this is supposed to create a vortex. This plugs in with your idea of vortices being due to air pressure and water plasma... I think.

An electric current would heat up the air it travels through, creating a difference in air pressure (lower air pressure?) so there should be greater differences in air pressure in wet air. And if moist air conducts electricity better than dry air there would be more violent lightning strikes in dry air due to the atmospheric capacitor discharging.

What do you think? Is that hot or cold?
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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

Unread postby jimmcginn » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:47 am

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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

Unread postby fosborn_ » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:57 am

The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'
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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

Unread postby Chickenmales » Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:01 pm

Well I certainly agree that it's best to keep an open mind. With the water plasma that occurs in certain types of wind shear conditions, has it been created in the lab, and if so, how did they do it?
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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

Unread postby jimmcginn » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:22 pm

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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

Unread postby Chickenmales » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:42 pm

OK, I read the first 2 sections of chapter 1, I'll read the rest later, but for now I have two questions:

1) How might one go about creating the wind shear water plasma in the lab, would it be as simple as blowing dry air onto moist air?

2) Does lightning ever strike in the same storm as a tornado? This is probably an easy question to find the answer to on the internet, but I ask it anyway. :)
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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

Unread postby jimmcginn » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:33 pm

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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

Unread postby Chickenmales » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:10 am

Ok, so if a tornado had an electric current running through it, you might expect there not to be any lightning in tornado storms, or at least not much... Is there ever any powerful lightning strikes that touch the ground during tornados? If there is then I promise I'll move on from the electric current idea.

Could your water plasma be produced in something similar to a jet engine?

I have still to finish chapter one of bill, I'm pretty busy ATM.
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Re: Simple Refutation of the Convection Model of Storm Theor

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