Magnetic field

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Re: Magnetic field

Unread postby Chan Rasjid » Wed May 03, 2017 9:26 am

What is a magnetic field is very, very simple based on the standard textbooks. But if we go through the historical developments, it probably evolves by some steps and changes.

The current modern concepts of magnetism comes from:
1) definition. A magnetic field B is defined through the Lorentz force law F= q(v X B). If an electron that has a velocity v experiences a force, then the field B is defined by: F= q(v X B). Its direction is the direction of v giving a maximum force F; its magnitude is | F/ (qv sin α) |.

2) Biot savart law: This law gives how B may be calculated based on a differential line current element. Calculus would give actual B for certain circuits.

But clearly, such a definition of B is invalid (not Galilean invariant). In general all of physics based on the magnetic field concept is invalid. This means also that the theory of Maxwell-Heaviside equations are also all wrong. That light is not and cannot be an electromagnetic field as we know it presently (the B part is invalid).

Say, an electron has a velocity v where the field is B at a point P, then the force is : F = q(v x B). But in an inertial frame S' that moves at velocity v relative to the original fixed frame (fixed to the permanent magnet or the fixed circuit producing the magnetic field B), the velocity of the electron at point P in S' is v=0; yet there is a magnetic force acting at the electron. This means the definition of the magnetic field B based on : F= q(v X B) fails - it cannot be used to define a valid concept of a "magnetic" field.

It is not without reason that there are many unanswered questions in EM theory itself. But mainstream could not solve it, but prefer the easy way out by creating fanciful physics of exotic types like quarks, color charge, etc. They don't need experimental evidence for fanciful physics.

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Re: Magnetic field

Unread postby Chan Rasjid » Wed May 03, 2017 9:32 am

I missed something in my earlier reply. The magnetic field is just a concept in physics, a mathematical analytic object used in a physics theory; there may not be any "reality" involved in the notion of the magnetic field. What is real is that magnetic forces come from charges in motion; so the only physical reality may be the electric charge, space and time.

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Re: Magnetic field

Unread postby kevin » Wed May 03, 2017 10:06 am

Consciousness creates the magnetic field.
Consciousness permeates all of universe, and enables creation as compressions of consciousness.
Every memory has polarity and equator, and consciousness circulates in duality about the pole.

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Re: Magnetic field

Unread postby comingfrom » Thu May 04, 2017 4:37 pm

That's a big statement, Kevin.

Because, now you have to define what consciousness is [in your model],
and how it creates the magnetic field.

Your final statement sounds like you are saying every atom and every subatomic particle and every celestial body is a memory.
Memory of what?
And in whose mind?

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Re: Magnetic field

Unread postby comingfrom » Thu May 04, 2017 5:09 pm

I am writing a paper at the moment in which I attempt to provide the mechanical explanation for magnetism.
It is still just a draft. Any feedback welcome.

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The answer to magnetism lies in the behavior of the nucleus.
When the nuclei in an iron bar are aligned they provide a strengthened and coherently aligned field out of the ambient charge field.
In a normal iron bar the nuclei are not all aligned and the magnetic field is insignificant.
In a permanent magnet the nuclei are aligned and together they generate a magnetic field.
The key is in what the nuclei are doing.
A single magnet sitting on the table is pumping the photons through.
Therefore we can presume each single nucleus is pumping.
Fixed in its location in the lattice of atoms, the individual nucleus is pumping photons through, and cohering their spins at the same time.
When all the nuclei are aligned, their combined efforts create the magnetic field.

We need to look at this action of the nucleus more closely.
North pole and south pole of magnets are the same strength, suggesting that the nucleus is pumping equal quantities of photons in two opposite directions with synchronized spins.

When any iron atom comes in contact with the magnetic field, the cohered field is used by the nucleus to propel it.
If, as in the case of permanent magnets with like poles brought together, all the nuclei are aligned against the spins, the nuclei are trying to propel away, giving us repulsion between the magnets.

Any piece of iron is attracted to a magnet because a certain percentage of the nuclei will be able to align to the field and start using it to propel along. The percentage of nuclei aligned against the field will tend to veer away from the field if they can, presuming some freedom of movement within the lattice. So the percentage of nuclei in a piece of iron aligning with the field will always be greater than those aligned against. This is why the iron is attracted to both poles of magnets.

The only time we have repulsion is when a good proportion of nuclei are forced into alignment against the field. Or to be more precise, against the spins in the field. This only happens with magnets, and when like poles are brought together, because of the alignment of the nuclei.

This shows us that the magnetic force comes from the action of the spins of the photons within the nucleus.
Even though the field is going through the nucleus both directions, both spins transmit energy to the nucleus to propel it one direction.
If enough nuclei are aligned and propelling in the same direction, then we have force/motion on our macro object, the magnet or iron object being attracted by a magnet.

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Re: Magnetic field

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Re: Magnetic field

Unread postby toni » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:07 pm

It is very hard to describe this kind of subject without many diagrams and books, but we can try.
These are the least undestood "fields" but one of the most important for EU.
In the whole universe nothing but waves exist.
We can look into the periodic chart of elements and clearly see what eather is. The nine inert gases are the seeds of matter in the photon state, or slow , low, very cold waves.
Every wave is made of two fields. As soon as electricity is turnd on, motion starts. Rings of two very cold cathods
start to move towards very hot anods. The direction of rotation is always the same but its effects are opposite.
One compresses- gravity field, one expands- radiation field. They are two opposite phases which we call polarization of matter. From the periodic chart of elements, we can see that nothing is in the center.
It belongs to the controlling center- consciousness or universal mind.
With this information, we can see why it is impossible for an atom to have a nucleus. When we say that matter attracts or repels, which means that the electrical fields are forced together or repelled. Matter does not have
intelligence to do either one. It is only motion- electricity in action. If opposites attract, a magnet would be stronger in the middle, not at the poles. What is happening is that each polarized end tries to express it self and the poles
are the highest points of that expression.
The atom that we know has no place in nature and therefore, our beliefs on this topic have to be reset to a new
understanding.
To summerize-- One way electrical motion creates a two way effect. One is rushing towards the center of
created matter and the other towards cold space. Only the carbon has its center closed and after this point,
disintegration starts. Radiation begins to be stronger than generation. Understanding the wave could open the door to exploring the rest.
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Re: Magnetic field

Unread postby kevin » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:37 am

toni wrote:It is very hard to describe this kind of subject without many diagrams and books, but we can try.
These are the least undestood "fields" but one of the most important for EU.
In the whole universe nothing but waves exist.
We can look into the periodic chart of elements and clearly see what eather is. The nine inert gases are the seeds of matter in the photon state, or slow , low, very cold waves.
Every wave is made of two fields. As soon as electricity is turnd on, motion starts. Rings of two very cold cathods
start to move towards very hot anods. The direction of rotation is always the same but its effects are opposite.
One compresses- gravity field, one expands- radiation field. They are two opposite phases which we call polarization of matter. From the periodic chart of elements, we can see that nothing is in the center.
It belongs to the controlling center- consciousness or universal mind.
With this information, we can see why it is impossible for an atom to have a nucleus. When we say that matter attracts or repels, which means that the electrical fields are forced together or repelled. Matter does not have
intelligence to do either one. It is only motion- electricity in action. If opposites attract, a magnet would be stronger in the middle, not at the poles. What is happening is that each polarized end tries to express it self and the poles
are the highest points of that expression.
The atom that we know has no place in nature and therefore, our beliefs on this topic have to be reset to a new
understanding.
To summerize-- One way electrical motion creates a two way effect. One is rushing towards the center of
created matter and the other towards cold space. Only the carbon has its center closed and after this point,
disintegration starts. Radiation begins to be stronger than generation. Understanding the wave could open the door to exploring the rest.


Excellent thinking.

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Re: Magnetic field

Unread postby kevin » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:49 am

comingfrom wrote:That's a big statement, Kevin.

Because, now you have to define what consciousness is [in your model],
and how it creates the magnetic field.

Your final statement sounds like you are saying every atom and every subatomic particle and every celestial body is a memory.
Memory of what?
And in whose mind?

Our Father, who art in heaven? :P
~Paul




No need for any god.
Everything in creation is a memory, a unique memory...look around at humans, they are very similar but fractionally different, as is every snowflake.

Consciousness is the Omni present substance of universe that enables creation in multiple dimensions, it flows towards any point of least resistance, which is created by a reversal point in the heart centre of each memory ( so called black holes)

Each memory is within it's own field of consciousness, We are within this planets, this planet is within the suns field, the sun is within the galaxies.

There are no atoms, just fields of consciousness, in the god theory it would have been called the holy spirit, or ghost.
The god theory is a cop out to those unable to fathom out the almost unfathomable.

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Re: Magnetic field

Unread postby comingfrom » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:15 pm

Thank you, Kevin.

No need for any god.
Everything in creation is a memory, a unique memory...
Then who's memory is it?

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Re: Magnetic field

Unread postby toni » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:06 pm

In the recent news there was a very interesting story about a star and a very hot planet close by. They wondered where it came from. From what I can see, we are witnessing the birth of a new planet. I have never seen a picture like this, in my search for knowledge.
A young planet stays with the star "in the mother's hug" if we can say this, until it is far enough to start its own journey. Most of the EU members will most likely know what will start a new planet's rotation on its axis.

The second story was about Einstein and the light warping around the planets. Now we know that light, when it reaches the planet's atmosphere, must travel through different pressures and the wave fields that it travels through, will have to converge towards that planet. They are starting to compress into smaller waves and the resistance is creating heat and that heat is what we feel on our faces. A few years back, they did not know the waves and the mechanics of it. This gave them a lot of confusion.
A similar story would be about a vacuum tube. A cathod emits electrons when heated and this effect we call the Edison Effect. But, if we have a fridge with an ice cube in it, it is the same effect without a name. Interesting. This is why it is so important to know the wave and the mechanics of it. Then, it becomes very easy to understand the stories, which are totally twisted and then thrown at us.
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