Meteorology is a Cargo Cult Science

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Meteorology is a Cargo Cult Science

Unread postby jimmcginn » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:03 am

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/01/17/ ... nt-2399801

Anthony Watts:
. . . inside an intense tornado, it’s always chilly — no matter the time of year.

Jim McGinn:
No duh. Obviously the reason air is rushing into it is because of low pressure. That Watts--a prominent meteorologists--thinks this this is surprising demonstrates how out of touch with reality meteorologists are about the physics of the atmosphere.

Tornadoes are the tail end of a much larger dog, a jet stream.

Tornadoes will appear mysterious to anybody dumb enough to believe the absurd notion that convection causes storms and atmospheric flow.

Meteorology is a religion that appeals to the lowest common denominator of what people want to believe.

Meteorology is the epitome of what Feynman calls a cargo cult science.

James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes
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Re: Meteorology is a Cargo Cult Science

Unread postby john666 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:31 pm

jimmcginn, do you believe that the origin of oxygen in our atmosphere, is from trees and plants?

I myself don't believe in that, because if that was so, Sahara(9,200,000 square kilometers), would have smaller density of oxygen in its air, then for example Spain or Italy, and yet that is not so.

Any thoughts on that?
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Re: Meteorology is a Cargo Cult Science

Unread postby LunarSabbathTruth » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:59 pm

jimmcginn wrote:....
Meteorology is the epitome of what Feynman calls a cargo cult science.

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Feynman himself was a big science cult leader.

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Re: Meteorology is a Cargo Cult Science

Unread postby jimmcginn » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:15 pm

john666 wrote:jimmcginn, do you believe that the origin of oxygen in our atmosphere, is from trees and plants?

I myself don't believe in that, because if that was so, Sahara(9,200,000 square kilometers), would have smaller density of oxygen in its air, then for example Spain or Italy, and yet that is not so.

Any thoughts on that?

Well, going by the fossil evidence, it kind of makes sense to me (ie. Carboniferous). But I can't claim to have put much thought into it.

Regards,

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Re: Meteorology is a Cargo Cult Science

Unread postby jimmcginn » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:21 pm

LunarSabbathTruth wrote:
jimmcginn wrote:....
Meteorology is the epitome of what Feynman calls a cargo cult science.

....


Feynman himself was a big science cult leader.

- joe

I don't disagree. For example, his understanding of H2O structure was rather amateurish, yet even now people will quote his thinking on this subject as if they were quoting God.
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