What Drives The Jet Streams?

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What Drives The Jet Streams?

Unread post by jimmcginn » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:19 pm

http://scottishsceptic.co.uk/2011/08/26 ... ment-39101

Scottish-Sceptic:
What do you think drives the jet streams? It's all part of the circulatory system of the atmosphere - driven by convective currents.

James McGinn:
There is no such thing as a convection current. And convection has nothing to do with Hadley cell circulation (see below for details) in my opinion. Why this notion is so popular is a mystery since the science is so incredibly poor--it's as bad or worse than that of AGW.

Scottish-Sceptic:
It is in short a form of heat engine - the source of heat is the surface heating (and latent in water vapour) and the sink is high up.

James McGinn:
Heat engine? Do you honestly believe this? Where is the heat? Where is the engine? Or are you just talking figuratively?

Scottish-Sceptic:
And we even get turning motions - as the cyclones turn. Similarly the Hadley cell structure is also a form of circulatory structure. The jet streams are a by product of this convectively powered heat engine.

James McGinn:
There is no gaseous H2O in earth's atmosphere. Consequently, moist air is actually heavier than dry air. Convection is a failed theory.


There is a huge source of energy in our atmosphere and it is highly energetic and abundant. It is air pressure. Pseudoscientific notions like convection and heat engines are not necessary. What is necessary is understanding the physical factors that can tap into the abundant energy in air pressure. And that get complicated. It involves an advanced understanding of boundary layers, plasma physics, and aerodynamics. The correct answer isn't simple, but it is correct. Meteorologists and climatologists will provide you a simple answer but their answer breaks down upon even slight scrutiny.

The "engine" (I mean this figuratively, not literally) of atmospheric flow is air pressure (not differential air pressure, actual air pressure). The energy that is readily available in air pressure is abundant and proficient. Air friction is the obstacle. It is possible to overcome this obstacle through aerodynamics. Aerodynamics provides isolation from air friction, as happens on the top surface of a wing. A plasma has a surface.



Another aerodynamic entity is a tube. A tube provides isolation from air friction to any of the contents moving through the tube. A surface that rolls around itself in the context of a stream flow can become a tube.

Where Does The Plasma Come From?

As a result of solar winds, our atmosphere is a slight plasma. This slight plasma causes evaporation. Evaporation results in microdroplets being pulled up into the slight plasma. In conjunction with the surface tension of H2O, this produces a slightly stronger and heavier plasma that we generally refer to as moist air. (Moist air contains microdroplets of H2O, not gaseous H2O.) Neither of these two slight plasmas is strong enough to produce a surface that is significant enough to achieve the aerodynamic isolation from air friction that underlies the winds that are observed here on our planet.

However, under calm weather condition the heavier of the two plasmas (moist air) tends to pool up under the lighter of the two plasmas in extensive flat layers. This produces a naturally occurring flat, lateral boundary between these two slight plasmas, an extensive, flat surface. It normally forms about 1,000 meters above us.

Differential pressure produces winds. Winds can accelerate along this surface as energy is reflected into a stream flow allowing for gradually accelerating winds. Along the surface, molecules in the dry layer collide with microdroplets along the surface of the moist layer, causing them to spin. As the spin, faster and faster, the droplets begin to elongate as a result of centrifugal force. As the microdroplets elongate their surface area is maximized. (Also the breaking of hydrogen bonds activates their polarity [See my paper, Hydrogen Bonding Neutralized H2O Polarity, for details]. This provides tensional forces that maintain the integrity of the spinning polymers of H2O.)

A quality of H2O is that if you maximize its surface area you maximize its surface tension. This provides the basis for a kind of super-plasma based on the electromagnetic characteristics of the high polarity of the H2O molecule. Once the super-plasma occurs a kind of positive feedback ensues. Stronger plasma enables stronger surfaces, reflecting more energy into a stream flow producing faster and faster winds.

Eventually, the Bernoulli effect and the Coriolis effect conspire to cause a surface of this super-plasma to role into a tube. Once we have a tube we have isolation from atmospheric friction. Any slight difference in air pressure from one end of the tube to the other will allow the contents of the tube to accelerate as a result of the abundant energy that is available through air pressure. This can produce some high wind speeds down the tube, effectively limited only by the speed of sound and incidental friction.

This produces jet streams. Once created, jet streams will tend to consume the surface (between moist air and dry air) from which they grow. They will tend to be located at the place on our planet where we find the most extensive and smoothest surface, at the boundary of the troposphere and the stratosphere. But if this boundary becomes desiccate they will trend downwards, causing storms, pulling moisture higher in the atmosphere, re-hydrating the boundary between the troposphere and the stratosphere.

And so, the ability of H2O-based plasmas to provide isolation from atmospheric friction is what underlies all atmospheric flow, including that of Hadley cells, and storms. Convection plays no role whatsoever.


Scottish Sceptic:
" . . . if you have something like the jet-stream, they have to be driven by some energy source. " . . . just follow the energy flows and you'll understand atmospheric physics."

James McGinn:
Okay, but so what. Yes, I agree, the jet streams must have an energy source. Everybody knows this. But you state this as if it is a forgone conclusion that leads to an obvious and simple answer like, "convection or heat engine." That kind of thinking is pseudoscientific.

Once we have a tube we have isolation from atmospheric friction. Any The fact that you can't push a jet stream into existence is all the evidence a REAL scientists needs to discard the convection model. It takes intellectual guts to discard what everybody assumes is true and look for a new theory. Sheep never stop being sheep. Sheep spend all their time trying to fit anecdotal observations to fit with what everybody believes. A real scientists ignores what everybody believes and develops a new theory.

When you understand jet streams first everything else falls into place. There is no convection in our atmosphere. That is just superstition based on observation of thunderstorms in the 19th century. This is the 21st century. Move on sheep.

Jim Pennino:
Convection currents can be seen in real time with schlieren imaging. Lots of people have done this at home. Yet another fact for you to ignore.

James McGinn:
Note how desperate and emotional you all get. You are like church ladies. Angry sheep, grasping for straws. Name calling. Desperate arguments based on semantics. Yet, not one of you church ladies can contradict my claim about things that I say haven't been measured. What does this tell us?

The facts all fall my way. Meteorology is about as bad as climatology. What we have are groups beliefs, selective facts, confirmation bias. Emotional nitwits defending beliefs. What we don't see is calm, dispassionate scientific thinking.

Thank you all for helping me prove my point.

James McGinn
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