Dyson Sphere?

[aworldnervelink]

If stars are actually powered by galactic currents flowing through them, then would building a Dyson Sphere be a very bad idea? Would the star just turn off as the polar section of the sphere was completed?

[The Great Dog]

The Great Dog thinks that it wouldn't matter if a star were surrounded by a conductive sphere. However, if an insulating material were used in the construction it would become apparent to the builders that they were cutting off the incoming current flow and would probably stop what they were doing.

Freeman Dyson has no real appreciation for electricity. His pack is convinced that stars are radiative entities powered by nuclear fusion, so his sphere smells right to him.

[earls]

A good point, but certainly you wouldn't have to completely enclose to the star for the potential benefits... If a sphere was possible to begin with.

[Drethon]

Yeah, if you have free time check out Larry Niven's Ringworld. Its like a Dyson sphere but it is just a simple ring (I think a couple planetary diameters wide) all the way around a star. More land mass than we could use in a few thousand years yet not nearly as massive as a Dyson sphere.

[tangointhenight]

If stars are actually powered by galactic currents flowing through them, then would building a Dyson Sphere be a very bad idea? Would the star just turn off as the polar section of the sphere was completed?

Galactic currents might be flowing through them but how are they actually powering the star?

Where is the gas come from? I never understood the stars are light bulbs on the galactic circuit board, can anyone explain?

[earls]

tangointhenight,

Sure... Pardon the simplification, as the theory is still a theory aka speculation...

You have a positive current (protons) and the negative current (electrons). The positive current enters through the poles and exits through the equator. The negative current enters through the equator and exits through the poles. In the center of the sun (the core) the currents reach critical density and "fuse" into the gas (heavier elements).

The gas only has the "pre-exist" if you follow the gravity collapse model... Because gravity requires mass. Instead of the "fabric" being "primordial" H and He created by the Big Bang, you have a "fabric" of spare opposite charge that through EM, not gravity, increased in density. This provides a "cycle" ... The fabric builds the heavier elements which over time decay back into the fabric. This allows the Universe to be cyclic, versus the gravitational model where mass is created, then all the mass sucks up all the mass into a giant ball of mass END OF TIMES!!11 Granted, there are plenty of "ad hoc" cop-outs for the gravity model to also become cyclic... It just happens "naturally" via the EU/EM model.

Basically atoms are EM fields tied in knots... They can slowly untie themselves (barring external forces). So how do you create a "knot" of "spacetime" that slowly unravels?

[nick c]

Hi tangointhenight,

Galactic currents might be flowing through them but how are they actually powering the star?

Where is the gas come from? I never understood the stars are light bulbs on the galactic circuit board, can anyone explain?

Here is a video that summarizes the Electric Star theory:
[url2=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihVaL-FHUyk]How the sun really works[/url2]

also some reading material:
[url2=http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/ ... -stars.htm]Electric Stars[/url2]
[url2=http://www.holoscience.com/synopsis.php?page=6]Electric Star synopsis[/url2]
[url2=http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=x49g6gsf]Twinkle, twinkle electric star[/url2]
From the last link. The mistake Eddington made, that led to the "nuclear fusion furnace at the core" model, which is currently taught as fact by mainstream astronomy:

However, in a footnote Eddington reveals the fundamental limitation of his theory of stars: “The difficulty is to account for the escape of positively charged particles; unless charges of both signs are leaving the escape is immediately stopped by an electrostatic field.” This statement will reverberate down the years as one of the gravest mistakes in science. It is an ELECTROSTATIC model of an isolated, self-contained star. But stellar magnetism is an ELECTRODYNAMIC phenomenon, requiring electric currents flowing in circuits beyond the star.

And for background info, a reprint of the original (1972) article that was the first to propose an external power source for the Sun:
[url2=http://www.kronia.com/thoth/thoth08.txt]The Electrical Sun[/url2], by Ralph Juergens

The known characteristics of the
interplanetary medium suggest not only that the sun and the planets are
electrically charged, but that the sun itself is the focus of a cosmic
electric discharge--the probable source of all its radiant energy.

nick c

[mharratsc]

I think we're not sufficiently solid on stellar electrodynamics to determine what would happen by creating a body with that much surface area near a star. Could we regulate the charge of the thing the way naturally-formed planets do? Would it connect to the Dyson sphere or orbital ring via a Birkland current that was stationary, or would it wander around electrocuting everyone randomly?

We got a lot of studying to do before we can conjecture that far out, I think... o.O

[MGmirkin]

In the center of the sun (the core) the currents reach critical density and "fuse" into the gas (heavier elements).

Ehh, some in the EU crowd might disagree with the internal nuclear furnace hypothesis. Nobody's probed BELOW the surface of the sun, so nobody really know what's going on down below. Sunspots seem to show relatively "cooler" regions, possibly below the "surface." If the surface is simply a tufted anode glow, then there may be little or nothing going on "in the core" (as far as nuclear fusion, etc.)... Cold be a giant hunk of Iron for all we know.

Until more is known about the innards of the sun, it's probably too early to solidly conjecture with any certainty what goes on "inside."

Regards,
~Michael Gmirkin

[Influx]

... Cold be a giant hunk of Iron for all we know.

My personnel favorite is the sun is actually hollow. Made of two plasma spheres, that is a capacitor, a self healing capacitor, that gets charged by the interstellar currents. The sunspots are hole in the conductive plate (plasma) of a capacitor, what we see as a cooler region might be the dielectric!? CME's might be some kind of break down of that dielectric.

If stars are actually powered by galactic currents flowing through them, then would building a Dyson Sphere be a very bad idea? Would the star just turn off as the polar section of the sphere was completed?

It would probably take forever for the sun to cool of due to its mass! On the other hand the Dyson sphere might start glowing like crazy!

[Lloyd]

* Here's a definition I found on the net:

A Dyson sphere (or shell as it appeared in the original paper) is a hypothetical megastructure originally described by Freeman Dyson. Such a "sphere" would be a system of orbiting solar power satellites meant to completely encompass a star and capture most or all of its energy output. ...

* Of course the energy isn't coming from the sun; it's coming from the galactic current. But the sun is a focus for the current, so it's a good place to put solar collectors. Light is just a small part of solar energy, but you could collect a lot more of it close to the sun, than at Earth distances etc.
* I'd suggest trying this first at Saturn or Uranus, since it should be much less dangerous there. The technology could be developed there first.
* I don't know how they mean to transmit the collected energy to Earthly, or other facilities elsewhere, to make use of it.
* They could get asteroids and take them to Venus and turn them into moons of Venus and could set up colonies on those moons. Solar panels there near Venus would be much more effective than on Earth. I talked before about making Venus habitable. An icy asteroid could be transported to Venus and put in a decreasing orbit, so it would soft-land. That could cool Venus down. And to remove the excess atmosphere, it would probably have to be removed by explosion. I thought a lot of the excess could be collected somehow, maybe in something like a CME [coronal mass ejection] or magnetically confining bubble. Actually, since it's mostly CO2, it could probably simply be flash frozen in space as dry ice and transported to Mars as an ice moon. Then Mars would have to be heated and probably covered with glass domes to hold its atmosphere. Mars could even be moved to the orbit of Venus eventually, I think, to be a moon, or maybe to soft-land on Venus and merge with it to make one larger planet.
* It would be swell to have a second Earth-like planet in our solar system.