Secret Govt Projects, including on Mars?

[Lloyd]

The following is from Catherine Fitts at http://www.solari.com. Catherine was undersecretary of Housing and Urban Development in the early 90s.

[The first part discussed how government is wasting trillions of dollars.]
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paul ross replied,
Apr 2nd, 2009 at 3:41 pm:
The real question is not “Where is the money going?” but rather, what do “they” plan to do with it?
You can’t sit on dollars or whatever forever. Sooner or later, it has to be turned into something tangible or useful.
My guesses:
I. exotic technology:
Who knows what the trillions in defense research is actually creating? 1. Exotic propulsion technology for vehicles, flying and otherwise. 2. Exotic energy sources for all sorts of things: vehicle propulsion, weaponry 3. Exotic communication/storage and artificial intelligence. 4. Exotic research into thought-control, behavioral influence etc. See: Operation Mind-Control by WH Bowart

II. massive hidden wealth funds to come in a buy up real assets on the cheap:
real estate
natural resources(water, water, water, farmable land, minerals, oil etc)
equipment belonging to now bankrupt companies
controlling interests in rescuable industries that can be made profitable after major union/employee concessions

III. political power:
slush funds to buy warlords, media influence, politicians, churches

IV. financing illegal operations that turn more hidden profits:
sex slave trade
drugs
gambling
assassination for hire/mercenaries

Catherine, any additions or suggestions?
PR

catherine replied,
Apr 2nd, 2009 at 4:26 pm:
I would include:
1. private armies.
2. funds for social programs and state and local government that is flowed in through the back doors in a way to ensure that real opposition does not emerge.
3. Ditto backdoor funding to corporations to keep them going. A form of government contracts payola with no work involved.

I would add that I believe the advanced technology category is quite significant. A great deal of money is needed to fund weaponry and facilities that can not be disclosed to the Congressional intelligence committees and which are intended to be corporately owned.

One of the more unusual hypothesis I have heard was in early 2006. I was having dinner with two physicists about their personal experiences working with or observing free energy technology. One mentioned that he had gotten a call from a colleague who worked at NASA. The NASA physicist explained, he said, that they were quite under the gun. They are invested trillions in creating a sustainable colony for humans on Mars. However, they could not figure out how to get the planet core reenginergized.

Was the NASA call disinformation? I don’t know. However, the money is going somewhere and these mega space projects, electromagnetic weaponry and mega underground facilities and transportation systems that have been alleged would cost on the order of magnitude of the amounts going missing.

If you watch the documentary Phoenix Lights, ask yourself how much would it cost for the US government and Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Boeing, et al. to build such an air ship? I suspect it was pretty expensive.

[Influx]

Even with trillions of dollars at their disposal, they would get no where with out a proper understanding of the universe. It is easy to spend money!

[junglelord]

They (Industrial-Military Complex) understand the universe very well.
Ben Rich, the retired *(now deceased) head of Groomlake aka Area 51, said we go to the stars, we have star trek.
We are 50 years ahead of anything you can CONCEIVE of....
I doubt he was lying....read it and weep

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity….. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.”

Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works

[Lloyd]

* So, Junglelord, why can't they get Mars' core re-energized?
* Does anyone have an idea what they'd mean by re-energized? Would they be trying to get Mars heated up at the core? Or would they be trying to give it a magnetic field? If the latter, I heard that what all the planets with magnetic fields have in common is a large moon. And all the planets that have little or no magnetic fields have no large moons.
* And what would they want to be doing secretly on Mars anyway? Would it be something good for humanity? [highly unlikely]

[junglelord]

Why are you asking me?
I merely pointed out the fact that Ben Rich states we have something other then rockets to get around.


I know nothing of terraforming.

[mague]

* So, Junglelord, why can't they get Mars' core re-energized?
* Does anyone have an idea what they'd mean by re-energized? Would they be trying to get Mars heated up at the core? Or would they be trying to give it a magnetic field? If the latter, I heard that what all the planets with magnetic fields have in common is a large moon. And all the planets that have little or no magnetic fields have no large moons.
* And what would they want to be doing secretly on Mars anyway? Would it be something good for humanity? [highly unlikely]

We re-energize a core by applying a currency


Isnt that the way the EU is supposed to work ?

If you belief into the "god" of endless expansion then you will have to try to colonize other planets.
On the other hand people are people. If i was rich i d buy me a farm on the countryside. If i was filthy rich i d buy me a farm on mars. If an earthquake is hitting California the owners of a ranch somewhere else will leave California and move to their ranch.

BTW. I have another great money sink. Investing into a fake alien invasion would a great sink

[lizzie]

Mague said: BTW. I have another great money sink. Investing into a fake alien invasion would a great sink.

LOL. There are millions of alienated humans living on this planet; why should I worry if there are also millions of humane aliens here as well. Could they “muck it up” any worse that we humans have?

[Lloyd]

Alien Lover!

[junglelord]

This is the best documentation of a UFO Propulsion System that I have seen, next to the TR-3B and the German Bell.
Ralph Ring and Ottis Carr
http://www.projectcamelot.org/ralph_ring.html

[junglelord]

If you have an open mind, for a good story, if nothing else, give this a go....a mad idea indeed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMwJmIRF ... re=related
Well they have stated that the current solar model is WRONG.
They have stated that the entire solar system is getting warmer, and the sun is turning bluer.
2012 and microworm holes and transformative effects.
Everything about Mars and bases, Tyco and 2001 monolith, galactic plane, solar activity, social events, the chaos and everything is coming together...waiting for the happy ending but sit tight for the next few years.

[junglelord]

It is clear that the disinformation or reality of the above scene will soon be proven true or false.
2012 is not far away.


I call it false and disinformation. Thats my take on this extension of UFO ology.


However one day the idea of a Jumper is not outside my mindset.
A transporter, via a Einstein Rosen Bridge. Mmmmm

Bases on Mars, Bases on the Moon. I do not buy it to tell you the truth.

Underground military bases on earth, that I buy. You could say, we paid for it...

[seasmith]

The most dangerous kind of radiation astronauts experience is galactic cosmic rays (GCR). These are bare atomic nuclei, some as heavy as iron atoms, accelerated to nearly the speed of light by distant supernovas. Because of their high velocity, high mass, and positive electric charge, GCR particles can cause tremendous damage to a person's cells. And traditional radiation shielding can't stop them

"Short lunar missions are fine," Cucinotta says, "but living in a lunar habitat for 6 months starts to be problematic. We're going to have to do a really good job with radiation shielding and perhaps medical countermeasures to have 6-month missions.

Mars will be even tougher, these models suggest. Some scenarios call for missions that would last 18 months or more. "Right now there's no design solution to stay within safety limits for such a Mars mission," Cucinotta says. "Putting enough radiation shielding around a spacecraft would make it far too heavy to launch, so we need to find better lightweight shielding materials, and we probably need to develop medical techniques to counteract damage to cells caused by cosmic rays." He notes that one of the biggest obstacles to progress in this area is "uncertainty in the types of cell damage deep cosmic ray exposure can cause. We still have a lot to learn."

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009 ... ist1066595

[Lloyd]

* Yeah, cosmic rays sound like a challenge, but they're not produced by "supernovae", they're produced by galactic electric currents and maybe magnetic fields, is my understanding. As for "we need to find better lightweight shielding materials", I think a good candidate for shielding is putting positive charge on the outer surface of spacecraft and maybe negative charge on the inner surface. After all, cosmic rays are positive ions.