Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby moses » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:25 pm

Hi Electrodynamic,
I am a survivalist but due to economic collapse and wars and not climate change. But what happens to the survivors. Will they repeat the same errors because they have not fundamentally changed. That is because they have not understood that humanity underwent severe trauma in the past.

Thus we need to understand what happened in the past. Both to heal and to know whether such catastrophes can repeat.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby moses » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:42 pm

Hi Gary,
That video probably sums up your personal view of what happened in the past. I of course go along with that Ev Cochrane video of what happened in recorded history. And the going further back my theory is unique.

I have no problem with the Sun going beserk or Saturn electrically interacting and having it's magnetosphere being very visible. I do feel that ignoring the ample evidence of the wandering Mars is not right, and logically if the Sun went beserk then that would affect the planets' orbits.

However when one reads the views of Electrodynamic one realises that the differences in our views are really pretty trivial compared with most people's views.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:00 pm

Tech and Science News coming Sunday I think.

I suppose the video Gary linked to has some useful warnings about potential catastrophes from space in the future, but it may just be scare tactics to put the public more on edge than it already is. Electrodynamic's suggestion about solving problems is probably shared by most readers, i.e. preventing potential catastrophes. His/her idea that learning about past catastrophes isn't valuable makes no sense to me. Not everyone needs to know everything, but I'm interested in the fossils found in peculiar conditions, because it likely will help determine more precisely what did happen in the past. If we find out where the metals etc came from and how they arrived among fossils and drift and loess etc, we may learn which planet or meteor stream or other source may have caused it and whether there may be more in store in the future if nothing is done. I would very much like to see our habitation become safer for us and future generations. And many readers probably are aware that I put no stock in anthropogenic global warming.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:15 pm

My money is certainly on the solar outburst model, and the metalised objects suggest that waves of pulsed, species sorted ions of various varieties would have reached the surface. Iron would have been plentiful and in my area there are 12-18 inch thick banded iron deposits yielding 75%, not far under the surface.
The appearance of the heavens in my model is of course due to the state of Earths and the other planets ionospheres, and what may have appeared to be close planetary encounters may well have been just an illusion. Believing in the fully electromagnetic nature of the solar system though I do not discount that the orbits, rotation or axes may have changed to some degree, maybe radically.
The north American legends I have read suggest that survivors of these events were either underground (Hopi) or were taken to the abode of the Gods.(Salish) What I do feel sure of though is that the history of the Earth, life on Earth, geology, astronomy and astrophysics is nothing at all like we have been lead to believe.
In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:54 pm

Gary, I think you support Thornhill's model of craters formed by electric discharges or megalightning. I reckon the devastation would be the same whether they form that way or by direct bolide impacts. I believe Thornhill considers the Earth's electric charge to be too high for bolides of the same charge to impact Earth directly, but that would presumably not prevent bolides of opposite charge from impacting. I'd have to see more direct evidence that his supposition is correct before accepting it. I did accept it as probable in the past until I encountered Charles Chandler's model, which is obviously much more detailed than anyone else's that I've seen. Meteors encounter the Earth at very high velocity and I believe it's obviously high enough to penetrate the positive ionosphere. The Earth's surface itself is generally negative, so any negative object getting through the ionosphere would be attracted to the surface. Charles shows why some objects burst in the air, i.e. because of cracks that penetrate internally and allow electrons to be drawn out which makes the center too positive and it blows apart. And he explains that bolide impacts often have enough momentum to produce thermonuclear explosions in the ground, forming craters.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:56 pm


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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Electrodynamic » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:14 am

I am a survivalist but due to economic collapse and wars and not climate change. But what happens to the survivors. Will they repeat the same errors because they have not fundamentally changed. That is because they have not understood that humanity underwent severe trauma in the past.

Thus we need to understand what happened in the past. Both to heal and to know whether such catastrophes can repeat.

Global cataclysm implies an event which effects the whole planet and the first problem would be Energy. Once the electrical grid is down most people would be thrown back into the dark ages overnight. Most would lose heat, light, transportation and communication. Our infrastructure is in fact very fragile and interdependent on many other systems in order for it to work. Look at the recent hurricanes, a rather minor event rolls in and chaos ensues because most people are completely dependent on our systems working.

As I like to say, everyone is strong and intelligent and capable then "something" happens and everyone is helpless. This is true because the more advanced the system the more completely reliant people are on that system. The majority of people have literally no tangible survival skills with respect to water, food and shelter.

It's not rocket science, civilizations grow and advance technologically becoming completely reliant on the systems they have created. When the systems fail the civilization fails and collapses under it's own weight. The solution is very simple, do not become dependent on the system to survive be self-reliant (reliant on one's own powers and resources rather than those of others).

Our governments and corporations generally make these problems worse because there livelihood depends on people being dependent on them. Logically if everyone was truly "independent" then we wouldn't need them or there services. Thus we should understand that it is in there best interests to keep people dependent on the system to maintain the system and the status quo. It's just human nature and there is a very good chance history will repeat itself because we keep making the same mistakes. No centralized system or concentration of power and resources is sustainable and they all eventually collapse under there own weight. That is the lesson we as mankind have yet to learn in my opinion.

Obviously no one is going to give up anything nor are they willing to change course thus it's on us as individuals to be prepared to take care of ourselves. Those with a good knowledge base and skill set can generally survive anywhere while those without it are obviously in big trouble.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby moses » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:23 pm

Total economic collapse is interesting because we will still have food and water and energy even if through the army. Chaos and wars don't have to follow. It would be a matter of quickly providing a new economic reality. Paper money only has value if we believe it has value. How can bank cards become useful when the banks are broke.

The system banks use now is based on lending money that they don't really have. Civilizations that do this grow faster but are inherently unstable. Civilizations that grow slower tend to be taken over by the faster growing civilizations. Therefore instability rules. But under conditions of total economic collapse perhaps a new economic system must arise quickly.

That would be something like keeping the banks open and supply numbers to all accounts, which would represent money, and just continue on. Crude and idealistic but initially that may well be what must happen. However there are so many weapons that many countries will not be able to do this. So it is a vast story.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:09 pm

Previous two posts were off-topic. The topic is Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm.


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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:38 pm


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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:21 pm

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:55 pm

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:55 pm

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:58 pm


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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:02 pm

The last 3 weeks material and today's are all posted in 2 posts above.
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