Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby seasmith » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:43 am

DNA technology, volcanic ash help pinpoint when
Bisons arrived in North America
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/03/29/ ... erica.html

100ka Milankovitch Cycles (ESG Precession) ?
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16025&start=705
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:48 am

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby webolife » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:10 pm

I like the interactive meteor graphic as it models past encounters between Earth and massive astronomical bodies. There are only relatively a few of these bodies to account for, yet each one may have fragmented into larger chunks with additional catastrophic impacts to the earth. It would be interesting to try to run the model timing backward a few millennia to see if at some point the highest density groupings [ie. the original planetoids] may have "synchronistically" bombarded the earth in a relatively short, say 5-month, time frame...?
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:39 pm

Gordon, who do you think we should nominate to carry out that retrosimulation?

Who's going to volunteer?
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:07 pm

Ancient Village Discovered on Canada's West Coast Predates the Pyramids
http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/04/ancient-village-discovered-on-canadas-west-coast-predates-the-pyramids

Scientists Still Don’t Know Where Did Chief Joseph Get His Mesopotamian Tablet?
https://www.theindigenousamericans.com/2017/04/06/scientists-still-dont-know-chief-joseph-get-mesopotamian-tablet

Mimicking an impact on Earth’s early atmosphere yields all 4 RNA bases
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/04/mimicking-an-impact-on-earths-early-atmosphere-yields-all-4-rna-bases

3,700-year-old pyramid discovered near Cairo was probably already excavated 60 years ago
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/3-700-old-pyramid-discovered-173915900.html

Bushmen Painted Earliest Rock Art in Southern Africa 5,000 Years Ago
http://www.livescience.com/58684-bushmen-painted-earliest-rock-art-southern-africa.html
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby webolife » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:30 pm

Lloyd wrote:Interactive graphic reveals the path of every major meteor shower
https://www.sott.net/article/347141-Stu ... eor-shower

Lloyd wrote:Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm
by Lloyd » Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:39 pm
Gordon, who do you think we should nominate to carry out that retrosimulation?
Who's going to volunteer?

Haha... I already tried it. The date setting doesn't allow that kind of input.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby seasmith » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:00 pm

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Ancient stone carvings confirm how comet struck Earth in 10,950BC, sparking the rise of civilizations

Gobekli Tepe, is thought to be the world's oldest temple site, which dates from around 9,000BC, predating Stonehenge by around 6,000 years.

Researchers believe the images were intended as a record of the cataclysmic event, and that a further carving showing a headless man may indicate human disaster and extensive loss of life.

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Symbolism on the pillars also indicates that the long-term changes in Earth’s Rotational Axis was recorded at this time using an early form of writing, and that Gobekli Tepe was an observatory for meteors and comets.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017 ... bc-wiping/
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:29 pm

Nice find Seasmith. It will be interesting to see the reaction of the archaeologists and ancient history bods to an engineer sticking his nose into their domain.

The paper is here:
http://cosmictusk.com/
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:14 pm

seasmith wrote:Ancient stone carvings confirm how comet struck Earth in 10,950BC

I just now found the same story in my weekly listing of major sci news articles. I don't agree with their dating methods. It occurred closer to 2,000 BC.

Here are this week's evidence of ancient global cataclysm.

Sun’s[?] UV Light Helped Spark Life
http://www.space.com/36401-suns-uv-light-helped-spark-life.html

Saturn’s Bizarre ‘UFO Moons’
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2017/04/saturns-flying-saucer-moon-the-%20ringed-planets-weirdest-.html

Bushmen Painted Earliest Rock Art in Southern Africa 5,000 Years Ago
http://www.livescience.com/58684-bushmen-painted-earliest-rock-art-southern-%20africa.html

The terrifying tsunami that devastated Britain 8,000 years ago
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160323-the-terrifying-tsunami-that-%20devastated-britain

For two billion years Earth was very different: oxygen was scarce, microbial life ruled, and the sun was much dimmer [as Saturn?]
https://phys.org/news/2017-04-iron-curtain-methane-making-microbes-early.html

Megafaunal extinctions driven by too much moisture
http://popular-archaeology.com/issue/spring-2017/article/megafaunal-%20extinctions-driven-by-too-much-moisture

Archaeologists Discover 38,000-Year-Old Animal Art
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/archaeologists-discover-38-000-old-175059757.html

Ancient stone carvings confirm how comet struck Earth in 10,950BC, sparking the rise of civilisations
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/04/21/ancient-stone-carvings-confirm-%20comet-struck-earth-10950bc-wiping

These two are a little older. I may have posted them already.

A terrible rift in the American Midwest
https://www.sott.net/image/s18/372495/large/bouguer1_760x507.jpg
https://www.sott.net/article/340428-A-terrible-rift-in-the-American-Midwest

Asteroid Impacts Spawned Colossal 500-Foot-High Tsunamis in Mars’ Ancient Oceans
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2017/03/asteroid-impacts-spawned-colossal-500-foot-high-tsunamis-in-mars-ancient-oceans.html
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Tansi » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:29 pm

I just now found the same story in my weekly listing of major sci news articles. I don't agree with their dating methods. It occurred closer to 2,000 BC.


I know nothing of the dating methods but am curious what you don't agree with.

Do you think it's possible that 2 comet events could have happened?



Also - why was Gobekli Tepe buried? Anyone have any ideas? I think I read possibly the electromagnetic radiation forced this and people to live underground in a book by Robert Schoch (possibly - Forgotten Civilization, The Role of Solar Outbursts in our Past and Future).
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:16 pm

Tansi,
The date was arrived at by astronomical interpretation of the iconography. See the cosmictusk link above for the actual article.
If the GT is a monumental record of a monumental catastrophe then one reason for burying the site might be to protect the monuments from erosion.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:15 pm

Gobekli Tepe
Tansi wrote:
I just now found the same story in my weekly listing of major sci news articles. I don't agree with their dating methods. It occurred closer to 2,000 BC.

- I know nothing of the dating methods but am curious what you don't agree with.
- Do you think it's possible that 2 comet events could have happened?
- Also - why was Gobekli Tepe buried? Anyone have any ideas? I think I read possibly the electromagnetic radiation forced this and people to live underground in a book by Robert Schoch (possibly - Forgotten Civilization, The Role of Solar Outbursts in our Past and Future).

- I've only been coming here once or twice a week lately.
- I don't agree with any dating before the Great Flood, which seems to have occurred a little over 4,000 years ago. Since nearly all the sedimentary rock strata were likely deposited over a few months' time during the Great Flood, which was more like megatsunamis caused by the close approach of one or more large bodies, no intact cities from before the Flood are likely to have remained. They were likely all obliterated by the tsunamis or buried under sedimentary strata. GT could only have existed after the Flood. Large bodies in one or more major meteor streams apparently encountered and impacted Earth for some years or decades after the Flood around Halloween, appearing to come from the constellation Taurus around the Pleiades. I discussed that in this thread a few months ago. And there could have been comets in meteor streams.

Does anyone know how large GT is or was and how many people likely lived there in its heyday?
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:17 pm

Here's this week's Major Sci News relating to catastrophism.

New study claims Göbleki Tepe may have been used to record meteor impacts, including Younger Dryas Event in 10890 BC (Make that 2,000BC)
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/04/mysterious-ancient-stones-confirm-comet-gave-rise-to-civilizations

Radiocarbon dating gets a postmodern makeover
https://phys.org/news/2017-04-radiocarbon-dating-postmodern-makeover.html

DNA left in cave soils can reveal ancient human occupants
https://www.sott.net/article/349454-No-bones-No-problem-DNA-left-in-cave-soils-can-reveal-ancient-human-occupants

Iranian Sandstorm Uncovers Ancient Lost City maybe from 4,000BC [make that 2,000BC]
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/04/iranian-sandstorm-uncovers-ancient-lost-city
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Wed May 03, 2017 8:07 pm

Sedimentary Rock Strata Prove Catastrophism

Yesterday I emailed a Letter to the Editor of NCGT Journal (New Concepts in Global Tectonics at http://ncgt.org ) and today I received a reply accepting the Letter for publication in their next issue in June, I think. I've been working with a friend to write a science paper for the journal, but I decided that having some discussion with other contributors to the journal first would probably be helpful. Following is a copy of my letter, which may be edited slightly for the journal.

LETTER TO NCGT JOURNAL

Question about Sedimentary Rock Strata

I've read Meyerhoff's book on Surge Tectonics and some of the NCGT Journals & Newsletters. Now here is a brief geology question.

Re: Sedimentary Rock Strata: What brief explanation is there for the fact that sedimentary rock strata covering large continental areas are generally sorted into different rock types, i.e. esp. sandstones, claystones, and limestones? I.e., assuming that millions to billions of years of erosion and deposition occurred, how was it possible for only one rock type to be deposited over large areas for thousands of years, followed by thousands of years of another rock type, etc?

The only plausible means I know of for separation of strata into such individual rock types is by major flooding over short time spans, as demonstrated by Guy Berthault.

The geologic column is said to consist of 6 megasequences worldwide, each containing many conforming sedimentary strata, and each megasequence occurring over an unconformity.

The best explanation seems to be that each megasequence was deposited during major flooding over a short time span of days or weeks.

Since the unconformities between the megasequences seem to show mainly only sheet eroision, there must have been only short time spans of days, weeks or months between each megasequence deposit.

The best theory to explain the unconformities and megasequences seems to be megatsunamis or tidal waves, raised either by tidal action of a large body or bodies that orbited Earth for some months or years on an eccentric orbit, reaching perigee every few weeks or months, or by a series of similarly temporally spaced ocean meteorite impacts, whose energy was not dissipated by a single wave.

The megatsunamis seem to have eroded seafloor and continental shelf materials and deposited them on the continents for a few days or weeks at most during each megasequence deposition during transgressions, along with some sheet erosion during regressions.

Implications for three possible mechanisms. 1. Surge Tectonics: Wherever oceanization may have occurred, the same megasequences might be expected to be found under seafloors, at least under the Atlantic. 2. Shock Dynamics: If the megasequences are not found, especially under the Atlantic seafloor, then a supercontinent may have broken up from a major impact, with rapid continental "drift" facilitated by fluidization at the Moho (See http://NewGeology.us ). 3. Earth Expansion: If major expansion occurred, it may have forced the continents apart. However, if ocean ridges are signs of expansion, then the Pacific must have expanded first, then the Americas slid over much of the Pacific as the Atlantic expansion occurred.

While a major impact could explain rapid continental movements, a cause of major Earth expansion or of oceanization seems more obscure. A fourth possible mechanism, electric discharge machining removing material from the Atlantic and depositing it on the continents, does not seem well explained as yet.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby webolife » Thu May 04, 2017 10:14 am

Lloyd,
You've done a good job summing up the questions that I've asked over the last four decades of research that have led to the formulation of my own view of catastrophic earth history. You framed it as a question, supported your question with subtopics for consideration,and provided pertinent references. Nice work!
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